Plajaren's to take us away To Save us.

[Gmac1000]

I have been studying the case of Billy Meier and his claims to be in contact by Beings from another planet, and have to say that It has not only intrigued me but actually raised my eyebrow to the actual logic of this case, and I studied it with great partialness and still have yet to find an absolute flaw or contradiction to this claim unlike many other beliefs and religions. I haven't been on UM for a while due to an irritation of closed minded people that just like to argue for the sake of typing regarding any proof brought forth and sticking to their own egotistical thoughts disregarding any true opinions that are discussed, however I did forget about those other people who are extremely Intelligent and whose opinion I really valued at UM and would love it if they would take the time read the link listed below and the case of Billy Meier and tell me your thoughts on this, is this some fantasy created in the mind of a strange one armed farmer from Switzerland, or a genuine encounter of an extreme spiritual and intelligent kind (next to us thats not hard to beat, watch out for monkeys taken our jobs) A race that has surly got it all together and have the perfect solution to a disease, hatred, jealous free world to name a few.

I would like you true open minded people to take some thought into this claim and then I would love to hear your opinions on this, if you would like to know more information on this matter just let me know.

Thanks guys

Gmac1000 :tu:http://www.theyfly.com/

Edited July 19, 2005 by Gmac1000

[Gmac1000]

Samjese (One of the Main Plajaren contacts to Billy, with a rank of demi-jshjrsh pronounced ish-rish meaning demi-queen of wisdom or a demi-goddess which was often refered to in Greek Mythology in early Earth times) her veiws on humans first views on this claim and why it's important to hold back on telling us just yet.

and how to make us a better race.

What did our extraterrestrial friends say about the topic of peace meditation?

136th Contact conversation, Tuesday, October 14, 1980, 11:41 p.m.

Billy: I know, and that’s probably how it’ll stay because the people on Earth are not likely to alter their ways so quickly and accept the truth that changes could still be invoked, for the better, I mean.

Semjase: While you are not permitted to speak about it at this point so as to endanger the success, it is still advisable that great efforts be made to change various future incidents for the positive, although they seem to be inevitable now. Toward the latter part of 1983 or spring of 1984, we are planning to introduce an effective peace meditation to benefit Earth, its inhabitants, and events that will occur there. Included in this effort will be everyone on Erra and many members from our federation, whose total will comprise more than 3.5 billion humans. This will produce an extremely powerful energy force through which the terrestrials and their actions, hence their occurrences, should be influenced and political confusion resolved. These efforts will also lead to freeing Russia and other countries from their current dictatorship status. The procedures have been instituted and mandated by the High Council, who have found a permissible method to intervene using a particular cosmic clause that could be used to influence terrestrial affairs. As part of the result brought about by these peace efforts, the inhumane wall will fall, which currently divides Germany into two separate countries, thus the two sectors will be reunited into one. Every group member is asked to help, for the strength and initiative of each and every last one is imperative, as is the assistance of other humans on Earth who will voluntarily join you in this effort. In this regard you are only permitted to speak about the peace meditation and its purpose in the peace effort. You may not mention the issues I previously told you about and which I specifically named just now. Should you not adhere to these instructions and speak about these items, you will not only jeopardize all efforts in this direction but the anticipated successes commencing in 1987 will not occur either; they may even transform into something negative.

Billy: What a thought. Of course, I'll sit on my mouth. —But—do you actually think that the dictatorships on Earth will come to an end in the next decade, and that the wall in the DDR [German Democratic Republic] will come down?

Semjase: This is as good as certain, although World War III will still be a threat, in addition to many other forms of tragedies. Success will follow as long as we conscientiously and systematically perform the peace meditation. Beginning with 1987, many other things will change, for the positive that is. However, the first tangible and substantial successes will only become evident in 1988, and within a very brief time afterward they will begin to solidify to the point where the first major uprisings will begin in 1989 and terrestrials will experience their temporary apex in 1990. But I must state once again that you must remain silent on these matters for now.

Billy: I will do that. There is no way I am going to endanger all of these future efforts.

Semjase: Only time will tell the success rate these efforts will bring.

Billy: Slowly some hope is rising within me—and I will put all of this into the drawer of my lost memories so I don't endanger anything.

Semjase: You will be permitted to speak about everything when the events become more apparent.

Billy: By then I'll have forgotten it all. —So it looks like as the end of the 1980s approaches, we soon can expect some rays of hope in regard to a worldwide improvement of freedom and peace. Then the world will look a bit better.

Semjase: Yes, so it will. But now I must leave. Moreover, you are tired. Good-bye.

Billy: Good, and many thanks,girl..

These are the main contacts of Billy. Notice their close resemblemt to humans and to a close friend of theirs of the name of Emannuel, (also known a Jesus)http://www.billymeier.com/Plejarans/ContactPersons.html

[Seraphina]

After reading through the site, I'm afraid I can't possibly believe that story is at all serious But, since you asked...

Long story short, I do not believe that an intelligent race would make its first and only contact on earth with a farmer in the middle of nowhere I find it suspect that aliens never seem to want to contact important world leaders, or famous scientists (who they should really be seeking out), and instead want to have all their meetings with uneducated nobodies.

[Gmac1000]

World leaders jugdment is clouded by their ongoing persuit of more power and their minds have been closed due to their love for material things.

Being Ignorant does not make you an "uneducated nobody" especially when that nobody is in the position to end all mankind, besides it is easier to pretend that you don't know.

[Jodie.Lynne]

Riddle me this then Gmac:

If they are here, and they do wish to contact us, why not land, say, in Central Park, NYC?

Or Trafalger Square?

Or anywhere where there is a large number of people who could witness these events?

All 'close contacts' that I have heard of, usually involve one or two people, and a lonely area far from populated areas. So you will forgive my rampant skepticism.

[mako]

You said you had proof, all I see is an article that isn't very convincing and some photos that could be real or could be fake....forging photos is fairly easy now a days. I agree with the others (Sera and JMPD1), not very convincing. I know....I am a skeptic, therefore I am closed minded, no matter that I do believe in the high probability of extraterrestrial life. I just see another pathetic attempt by some guy (Bill Miers, not you) with no self-esteem and no real life trying to impress others.

[Gmac1000]

Now I remember why I left this site.

My grandfather once said that "It's too bad that the sky would have do turn black and a deep voice covering the world before people will truly believe in God" That is a closed minded person, that will be the source of all your downfalls in the future.

Edited July 20, 2005 by Gmac1000

[JayRob303]

I would tend to agree with Saraphina in regards to the person(s) contacted should be on the scientific end of the spectrum. Scientists, say from NASA or SETI, who would be more prone to look at alien contact as a blessing, rather than the typical beurocratical 'the sky is falling' point of view.

[Shadowsleet]

Now I remember why I left this site.

If your reason for leaving the site was because people would swallow such things as this, then I think you're setting your estimations of the board's intelligence a little low. The questions posed seem reasonable to me.

Where I an alien intending to make peaceful contact with earth, then I would be establishing communication with world powers, or at the very least people of suitable influence and intelligence to properly represent this planet in a diplomatic arena.

If this man's story is true, and aliens have actually contacted him, then all that really proves is that these aliens of his are stupid.

[Gmac1000]

How do you figure they are stupid and not concerned of the cosmic imbalance that we are capable of. If you aren't open enough to consider another theory of life and the future then I wouldn't want to contact you either.

[JennRose]

How do you figure they are stupid and not concerned of the cosmic imbalance that we are capable of.  If you aren't open enough to consider another theory of life and the future then I wouldn't want to contact you either.

743595[/snapback]

How would the aliens contacting SETI or NASA cause a cosmic imbalance? Most of those folks believe in ET's and spend a lot of their time trying to make contact themselves.

People are asking you real and thoughtful questions. Giving snippy responses and accusing people of being close-minded is not necessary for people who are being respectful.

[Shadowsleet]

Well that's the thing there....I believe aliens exist. In fact, as a scientist, I believe that it's statistically impossible for them not to exist. However, I also believe it's impossible for them to ever find this planet, or make contact with us.

Be that as it may though, why would an intelligent species travel across the universe to make contact with a farmer in the middle of switzerland? And have exclusive contact with him, and only him? Why not appear at the G8 summit amid a gathering of major world leaders....why not appear before the scientific community?

In other words, why not appear in such a way that their being here has a purpose? Talking to a farmer who has neither influence or reputation is a waste of time and effort. This story is either a man's attempt to sell a story (although, as Sera said, after reading through the site, I must wonder if it isn't a spoof, like the Flat Earth Society. It all seems to have its tongue thrust very firmly into its cheek), or it's the ravings of a madman. Either way, I doubt that this gentlemen has had any exclusive interveiw rights to alien visitors.

Man, I just looked at the pictures on the website...I'm now convinced that this has to be a joke.

Edited July 20, 2005 by Shadowsleet

[theSOURCE]

Billy Meier was debunked years ago. It was even shown that one of his "beam ships" turned out to be a trash can lid.

[Ashley-Star*Child]

'Samjese'? Sure he's not talking about Semyaza? Strange similarity though since it was reported that Semyaza (the Girgori angel) sent his wife to another planet (Heaven being in space) to save her from the coming disaster.....

[acriasis]

A bit of interesting information about skeptics of the Billy Meier case can be found here:

http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge

There is a lot to read in this website including:

Final Proof Meier's UFO Photos Genuine!

The Billy Meier 'Hoax' Exposed?

Skeptics at IIG Caught Falsifying Evidence!

Best regards,

acriasis

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

I love how in those links "this was before CGI or photoshop" is used to basically say "therefore it must be real".

[acriasis]

I love how in those links "this was before CGI or photoshop" is used to basically say "therefore it must be real".

The thing I find very interesting about the Billy Meier case is the fact that over 20,000 pages of literature have been written, at least 200+ pictures and videos of supposed ufo craft, all of which were produced by a one armed farmer in Switzerland with the cheapest of equipment ( a farmer, not a blacksmith, metallurgist expert video specialist and photography wizard, special effects genius, he was a simple farmer) and the fact that this case is still talked about after almost 70+ years is also interesting. Whatever is to be said with such things as what people discredit him most for, such as pictures of Asket and Nera, the Wedding Cake UFO, the beam weapon of Alena, the fact that some of the ufo videos such as one with three spacecraft seen at a distance that seem to have an energy field around them as they hover like a helicopter which seem impossible to be fake in the original video footage still considered nonsense by some, this is what people focus on, so it seems that any truth about ufos is 'barked off 'as nonsense and as a hoax even when it is seen in the sky for themselves, which so it seems people do not want the truth to be known, for life in egoism, pride, and materialism would change, for some fear change, life would no longer be routine, negativity would be gone, and for most people this they do not want, only life as it is with no rewards or evolution of consciousness, only the normal one -sided truth. It is true that there are high costs to becoming a passive member of FIGU up to about $500 or so, there are however at least 20,000 pages of literature, at least 10 to 20 videos still available, and at least 200+ pictures that are all available for free to anyone who cares to view them. The cost of producing all this information would have to be in the thousands of dollars. Now why would a hoaxer spend thousands of dollars for information about these topics and then want nothing in return. Why would a hoaxer focus on topics to improve the lives of all earth humans, so they can live life to their fullest potential? Because either it is 100% true or only 50% is true and the other 50% has been altered by individuals that are losing control of people and their money in their billion dollar industry of deceit. Whatever the facts are, one fact remains true, the cosmos is vast, a place that humans of earth have not been very far into. If it is just earth humans, which is absolute nonsense, it would be an extremely huge wast of space, therefore extraterrestrial life would indeed have to be possible. My thoughts on this are that the cosmos is full of life, from the most minute of microbes and bacteria, to life more complex than can be imagined. I feel that one day, perhaps sooner rather than later, that answer may be found and those people who tend to believe, rather than know, shall be astounded at the true reality right before their eyes, staring them in the face right there in the sky or on that other planet for all to see.

May the truth find the seeker of it. May the charlatans, deceivers,and hoaxers have all their deceit openly discovered by the public, so no more time and money is wasted on the untruth.

Perhaps then, people of Earth can evolve in consciousness, and live life to their fullest potential, in a brave new world of actual absolute truth.

Truth manifests itself where untruth is found, sometimes it takes hours, weeks, months, sometimes it takes years, in the end all truth shall be known and discovered in this age and the next.

Edited February 8, 2013 by acriasis

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

First of all - I believe that there's life out there.

Secondly - you're the one throttling the limits of human creativity when you say "he couldn't have been able to fake that". I say "sure he could, the ten year olds I teach could".

And I do so like being called a liar through the use of clever language. I also love that "the universe is vast" is used as another proof that aliens, from a world that couldn't possible exist, came to Earth and spoke not to a scientist, or a historian, or a school teacher or even a sausage maker ... with a billion odd people to choose from and they choose someone noone would truly believe.

But please, show me something I can't debunk. I believe in Atlantis. I believe in more things in heaven and on Earth then that's dreamt of in Horatio's philosophy.

But I do not believe Meier, because *I* could fake his evidence, and I'm lazy, easily bored and with a dozen other better things to do.

[Saru]

A bit of interesting information about skeptics of the Billy Meier case can be found here:

This thread is almost 8 years old so you aren't likely to receive any feedback from the original posters, if you are looking to discuss the Billy Meier case it would be better to either start a new thread or post in a more recent one which covers that topic.

Thank you.