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[Sky Scanner]

The last 8 posts have nothing to do with the topic - how about less baiting before it goes further, and get back on topic.

[booNyzarC]

The Sky Scanner, on 13 October 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

The last 8 posts have nothing to do with the topic - how about less baiting before it goes further, and get back on topic.

Agreed.  

[Babe Ruth]

Fair enough!

[Bionic Bigfoot]

booNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Dr. Lynne Kitei had been photographing and filming these flares for years, and she still doesn't believe they are flares even to this day.

This is absurd.  Do you honestly believe and think she isn't intelligent enough to know when she's seeing flares?  She is a resident of Phoenix, a medical doctor and a very intelligent and credible person. Your statement is ridiculous. .

booNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

Something strange did happen that night.  I don't think I've ever said otherwise.  I think the only difference here is that I'm willing to accept that something out of the ordinary could still have a fully terrestrial explanation, and that so far there is no compelling evidence in support of the idea that the strangeness of the night was in any way other worldly.

And I'm willing to accept the fact that some people might have seen the flares that night and reported them as a UFOs.  As you keep pointing out there were two events that night and the plane theory for the earlier event probably makes even less sense than the flares and being confused for a not of this earth UFO.

[Slave2Fate]

One thing I have yet to see in this thread, or any other Phoenix lights thread for that matter, is where is the evidence that any of this was in fact ET? All I've seen is words to that effect without even the least bit of substantiation. Where is the evidence to show that this event (either of them) was from an otherworldly source?

[Slave2Fate]

Bionic Bigfoot, on 13 October 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

This is absurd.  Do you honestly believe and think she isn't intelligent enough to know when she's seeing flares?  She is a resident of Phoenix, a medical doctor and a very intelligent and credible person. Your statement is ridiculous. .

So what are her credentials that would give her insight into military training and the subsequent use and/or aerial disposal of illumination flares, exactly?

[TheMacGuffin]

Slave2Fate, on 13 October 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

One thing I have yet to see in this thread, or any other Phoenix lights thread for that matter, is where is the evidence that any of this was in fact ET? All I've seen is words to that effect without even the least bit of substantiation. Where is the evidence to show that this event (either of them) was from an otherworldly source?

Listen to the guy who actually took the famous videotape at 10 PM.

[booNyzarC]

Bionic Bigfoot, on 13 October 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

This is absurd.  Do you honestly believe and think she isn't intelligent enough to know when she's seeing flares?  She is a resident of Phoenix, a medical doctor and a very intelligent and credible person. Your statement is ridiculous. .

There is nothing absurd or ridiculous about it.  She's a very intelligent lady.  I genuinely like her as a human being.  I think she has a great heart, nothing but the purest of intentions, and I fully respect her beliefs.  None of that changes the fact that much of her photography and videos are nothing more than illumination flares.  If she feels spiritually enriched by them, I hope that the BGR continues operations indefinitely in order to provide her with more inspiration and warm fuzzy feelings.  I'm not opposed to that in any way.

Bionic Bigfoot, on 13 October 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

And I'm willing to accept the fact that some people might have seen the flares that night and reported them as a UFOs.  As you keep pointing out there were two events that night and the plane theory for the earlier event probably makes even less sense than the flares and being confused for a not of this earth UFO.

I fully understand why people are hesitant to attribute these events to something mundane, or at least I think I fully understand.  One of the biggest hesitations many people have is the impression that by suggesting such a thing you might be insulting the intelligence of the witnesses.  Although I can see how that interpretation could be made, that's not the way I see it at all.  I don't think less of any of these witnesses who were unable to identify what they saw.  Perception is an amazingly complex thing, especially when something takes us by surprise, is indistinct, and/or is only there for a fleeting time.  Intelligence has nothing to do with it.  Not any more than it has to do with being startled when someone waits for you to round a corner and says "boo!"

[synchronomy]

TheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Listen to the guy who actually took the famous videotape at 10 PM.

Dammit.  I think they're on to me!
When I click on that video link it says National Geographic has blocked for copyright reasons in my country.

[Slave2Fate]

TheMacGuffin, on 13 October 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Listen to the guy who actually took the famous videotape at 10 PM.

All I see in that video are people who don't agree with the flare theory, which is fine by me. What I don't see however is the evidence that the flares or the 'V' shaped object(s) were of alien origin. I'm not seeing the evidential pathway that leads from 'I don't know what that is' to 'it's from another world'.

[TheMacGuffin]

synchronomy, on 13 October 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Dammit.  I think they're on to me!
When I click on that video link it says National Geographic has blocked for copyright reasons in my country.

That's all going to get worse too in the years ahead.

[Bionic Bigfoot]

Slave2Fate, on 13 October 2012 - 07:24 PM, said:

One thing I have yet to see in this thread, or any other Phoenix lights thread for that matter, is where is the evidence that any of this was in fact ET? All I've seen is words to that effect without even the least bit of substantiation. Where is the evidence to show that this event (either of them) was from an otherworldly source?

And there won't be any concrete, written in stone, absolute scientific proof that this event was an alien spacecraft.  However, instead of acknowledging that the 'proof' suggesting it was all explainable, you and people like you have automatically closed the case and in your minds.   The evidence given suggesting it was planes in the earlier sighting is not iron clad at all.  You're wanting proof positive that this event was ET related and you can't provide that same irrefutable proof that it wasn't.

[booNyzarC]

synchronomy, on 13 October 2012 - 07:45 PM, said:

Dammit.  I think they're on to me!
When I click on that video link it says National Geographic has blocked for copyright reasons in my country.

You aren't missing anything useful.  This is a clip from perhaps the worst documentary ever put together on the subject.  Larry Lowe completely misrepresents what transpired and utilizes deceptive strawman arguments throughout the whole thing.  He deserves a place on the UFO Hall of Shame for this appalling documentary.

[TheMacGuffin]

Slave2Fate, on 13 October 2012 - 08:01 PM, said:

All I see in that video are people who don't agree with the flare theory, which is fine by me. What I don't see however is the evidence that the flares or the 'V' shaped object(s) were of alien origin. I'm not seeing the evidential pathway that leads from 'I don't know what that is' to 'it's from another world'.

If the thing was really as large and silent as they say, without jets, rockets, rotors or propellers, then we are by definition dealing with some more advanced, exotic or unknown technology.

If this thing was really flying around, where did it go after people stopped seeing it?  Where did it land or did it land at all?

[TheMacGuffin]

booNyzarC, on 13 October 2012 - 08:05 PM, said:

You aren't missing anything useful.  This is a clip from perhaps the worst documentary ever put together on the subject.  Larry Lowe completely misrepresents what transpired and utilizes deceptive strawman arguments throughout the whole thing.  He deserves a place on the UFO Hall of Shame for this appalling documentary.

Never take his word for ANYTHING.  Just watch it and judge for yourselves while ignoring the "skeptical" spin and filtering.  It's all a big smokescreen of BS anyway.