eight bits on Apr 28 2009, 07:17 AM, said:
"The Father and I are one."
The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him.
Jesus answered them, "I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?"
The Jews answered him, "We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God."
Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods"'? If it calls them gods to whom the word of God came, and scripture cannot be set aside, can you say that the one whom the Father has consecrated and sent into the world blasphemes because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? If I do not perform my Father's works, do not believe me; but if I perform them, even if you do not believe me, believe the works, so that you may realize (and understand) that the Father is in me and I am in the Father."
The scriptural reference ("written in your law") is apparently Psalm 82: 6. That short psalm depicts the "council of the gods" thought to be a typical belief of the northern branch of the Hebrew nation. Jesus, or John speaking through Jesus, gives the psalm what seems to me to be a gnostic interpretation. We are, by birth, the council of the gods. We need to act accordingly. Gods are those of us to whom the word of God came.
Jesus thinks that he is ahead of his listeners on the learning curve, but not different in kind from them. He is God, addressing the council of gods, the folks with the stones in their hands.
I understand you .. from the gnostic interpretation. in short we are all gods . no different than Jesus. Going by that however worshiping Jesus as God would be like worshiping any other human as God.
not to get into the aspect of Idols either .. or worshiping other Gods ...
but the blending in of gnositism with christianity seems overall at odds.. in it's present form. Jesus may very well have been an Essene then that would make sense. Nazareth did have a large number of Essenes. But at the same time the bible has him following Orthodox Judaism rules and not Essene ( like eating meat) . Maybe he was a mix of both. ?
but does that fit the Psalm ?
A psalm of Asaph.
1 God presides in the great assembly;
he gives judgment among the "gods":
2 "How long will you [a] defend the unjust
and show partiality to the wicked?
3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless;
maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed.
4 Rescue the weak and needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
5 "They know nothing, they understand nothing.
They walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6 "I said, 'You are "gods";
you are all sons of the Most High.'
7 But you will die like mere men;
you will fall like every other ruler."
8 Rise up, O God, judge the earth,
for all the nations are your inheritance
So if he is referring to this as him being God as much as any of us can be , seems we were judged not doing a good job.
and this still doesn't deter from the fact that Jesus was by blood a Moabite which would , according to the OT disqualify him entrance to heaven forever. ( even if Joseph had adopted him as well as some want to argue since Joseph would have been Moabite as well ... same tribe.)