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1917 tale recounts ancient 'Skyman' legend


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#16    Abramelin

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 03:00 PM

View Postshaddow134, on 30 October 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Nice story but that's all it is....

Notice the date of Juanita Rose Violini's story: March 30, 2012.....

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Edited by Abramelin, 30 October 2012 - 03:01 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:40 PM

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So I guess this is the first known case of alien genocide too? People believe the most ridiculous of things.

You’re talking about the Seven Fires Prophecy and it has nothing to do with alien genocide.  True, one of these prophetic beings was too powerful to be in the presence of humans without harming them, so he went off to live in the ocean and the remaining ‘prophets’ aided the Ojibwa in their migration west.
No genocide – what a freaking stretch.

Edited by herenow, 30 October 2012 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:51 PM

View Postherenow, on 30 October 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

You’re talking about the Seven Fires Prophecy and it has nothing to do with alien genocide.  True, one of these prophetic beings was too powerful to be in the presence of humans without harming them, so he went off to live in the ocean and the remaining ‘prophets’ aided the Ojibwa in their migration west.
No genocide – what a freaking stretch.

Exactly.  :unsure2:

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 04:53 PM

I’m researching the original people from my area (Northeastern Massachusetts) and came across a similar story. (These people were likely absorbed into the Ojibwa Nation after King Phillips War.)

They talked of what they described as a ‘flying canoe’  which came down near a local river and white men came out to gather water.  They watched them gather the water and then the ‘canoe’ flew back into the air spitting fire and thunder.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:12 PM

Here is an old UFO sighting from Boston in 1644, which of course was explained in supernatural terms.  I would be surprised if they had any other explanation at the time.


"In January 1644, America's first USO, or Unidentified Submerged Object, was sighted. A USO is an aquatic UFO. GovernorJohn Winthrop made two entries in his journal in regards to this unholy affair.

Captain John Chaddock's ship blew up at Battery Street in the North End. Five men lost their lives. Soon after, unexplained lights appeared in the sky. The citizens of Boston eventually ascertained that one of Chaddock's men had conjured up the spirits of the dead sailors, which was the origin of the mysterious lights. Chaddock was essentially a pirate, and had previously attempted to colonize Trinidad with a party of Bostonians.

"Exactly 16 days after the blowing up of Capt. Chaddock's ill-fated ship and crew, and just at 'the witching hour of midnight,' as Shakespeare calls it, 'when churchyards yawn and hell itself breathes forth contagion in the air,' three men in a boat, coming toward Boston—a strange hour for reputable puritans to be so far from home—saw two bright lights rise out of the water, at the place where the vessel had been blown up, just off the [old] North Ferry slip.


Location of First USO Sighting
They made the still more inexplicable [observation] that the two lights assumed the form of a man, and sailed leisurely off over the water to the south, keeping but a short distance from the shore, till it reached a point now occupied byRowe's Wharf, at the foot of Franklin St., where it vanished as suddenly as it had appeared just 15 minutes before. The story was told and retold about the town, for the next few days, till the whole population had reached a mental condition that made them capable of seeing the ghosts of Chaddock's buccaneers, if given any kind of chance.

A week after the event just described, the old records say, 'the twin lights were seen again by many,' but this time they arose off Castle Island, and after traveling through the air just 12 minutes, vanished at the spot where the remains of the ship were resting. The restless spirits of the deep continued to make things satisfactorily terrifying for those who were 'out late 'o night' along the waterfront.

On one occasion, the story was, that at 8 o'clock, a light resembling the moon rose from the water at the wreck, sailed through the air till it was over the highest point of 'Nottle's Island,' now East Boston—but then uninhabited, and an ideal place for ghostly gambols—and there it was met by its twin light, the two suddenly merging into one, then parting, and thus continuing uniting and separating, as if in playful mood, many times, all the while 'shooting out sometimes flames and sometimes sparkles.' Finally, uniting permanently, the big illuminated disc floated off behind the hill on 'Nottle's Island,' disappearing from sight of the wondering eyes of Bostonians.
Later returns from different quarters showed that while the North enders were watching this pyrotechnic display the people along the shore from [old] North Ferry to Fort Hill were being treated to a different sort of hair-raising demonstration, a voice having been heard on the water, toward South Boston—then also uninhabited—crying out in a most dreadful manner, 'Boy! Boy! Come Away! Come Away!' the voice frequently shifting its location, in the whimsical manner, from point to point, separated by a great distance. It was declared that the voice was heard above 20 times 'by divers[e] Godly persons.'

Three weeks after the perturbed spirits first began their peregrinations they went finally to rest, as far as our local annals testify, and on their last appearance the agonizing voice had been transferred to the scene of the wreck in the North end.

The public discussion stimulated by the phenomena brought out the fact that the man who snapped the pistol that ignited the powder that blew up the ship that released the ghost had professed to be a necromancer [a communicator with the spirit world], and was known to have done many wonderful things during his last voyage, and was also suspected of having murdered his master some time before in Virginia, though unfortunately these important facts had not been imparted to the local authorities until the necromancer had done his worst.

It was considered a matter of especial significance that all the bodies of the crew, save only his, had been recovered before the spiritualistic manifestations began, and, as it was considered one of the cardinal principles of ghostly etiquette not to walk—or even fly—by night, after one's 'earthly tabernacle' had been given a reputable internment, it was reasonably clear that the cause of the psychic disturbance must have been the failure to recover the body of the missing sailor."

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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:15 PM

And here was a "ship in the air" reported at New Haven, Connecticut in 1647, again explained as a Flying Dutchman or ghost ship.


"Reverend Cotton Mather, in his Magnalia Christi Americana, recorded what can be described today as a major UFO sighting. Mather received a letter from a Pastor in New Haven, Connecticut, that described the "apparition of a ship in the air." A large vessel was lost at sea in 1646, and one year later witnesses observed this ship appear in the sky above New Haven. Some readers may consider this a Flying Dutchman or ghost story. The following letter summarizes this most grievous incident:
"In the year 1647, besides much other lading, a far more rich treasure of passengers, (five or six of which were persons of chief note and worth in New-Haven) put themselves on board a new ship, built at Rhode-Island, of about 150 tons; but so walty [liable to roll over], that the master, (Lamberton) often said she would prove their grave. In the month of January, cutting their way through much ice, on which they were accompanied with the Reverend Mr. Davenport, besides many other friends, with many fears, as well as prayers and tears, they set sail. Mr Davenport in prayer with an observable emphasis used these words, Lord, if it be thy pleasure to bury these our friends in the bottom of the sea, they are thine; save them!

The spring following, no tidings of these friends arrived with the ships from England: New-Haven's heart began to fail her: this put the godly people on much prayer, both publick and private, that the Lord would (if it was his pleasure) let them hear what he had done with their dear friends, and prepare them with a suitable submission to his Holy Will.

In June next ensuing, a great thunder-storm arose out of the north-west; after which (the hemisphere being serene) about an hour before sun-set a Ship of like dimensions with the aforesaid, with her canvass and colours abroad (though the wind northernly) appeared in the air coming up from our harbour's mouth, which lyes southward from the town, seemingly with her sails filled under a fresh gale, holding her course north, and continuing under observation, sailing against the wind for the space of half an hour.

Many were drawn to behold this great work of God; yea, the very children cryed out, There's a brave ship! At length, crouding up as far as there is usually water sufficient for such a vessel, and so near some of the spectators, as that they imagined a man might hurl a stone on board her, her main-top seemed to be blown off, but left hanging in the shrouds; then her missen-top; then all her masting seemed blown away by the board: quickly after the hulk brought unto a careen, she overset, and so vanished into a smoaky cloud, which in sometime dissipated, leaving, as everywhere else, a clear air.

The admiring spectators could distinguish the several colours of each part, the principal rigging, and such proportions, as caused not only the generality of persons. to say, This was the mould of their ship, and thus was her tragick end: but Mr. Davenport also in publick declared to this effect, That God had condescended, for the quieting of their afflicted spirits, this extraordinary account of his sovereign disposal of those for whom so many fervent prayers made continually. Thus I am, Sir, Your humble servant, James Pierpont."

http://www.celebrate...en-ufo-1647.htm


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 05:25 PM

So the question remains, did they actually see UFOs, and just compare them to objects with which they would have been more familiar, interpreted in the common religious and supernatural terms of their era?

Or are we dealing with some very strange phenomenon that can manifest itself in many different ways, as Jacques Vallee thought?

As far as these old sightings are concerned, we will probably never know any more than we do now.  After all, this was a time before the Scientific Revolution, before mass communications and modern technology, when the majority of people could not even read or write.  History back then was recorded by the educated few, and of course there was nothing like modern journalism at the time, with its 24/7 news cycle.

Edited by TheMacGuffin, 30 October 2012 - 05:26 PM.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 06:04 PM

Unlike some others, I don't think a humanoid-shaped ET is out of the question.  There is something to be said for a biped with 2 arms.  I'm not saying other life forms of intelligence can't exist, but it seems more likely to me that a traveler would scan the planet, find a shape similar to his that appears to be the dominant specieis and would contact them to see how advanced they really are.  Of course the validity of these old stories have to be questioned as I'm sure some embellishment occurs over time.  On the other hand, there are the cave drawing and such showing ET-like objects, so go figure.


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Posted 30 October 2012 - 11:21 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 30 October 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

"Legends of god-like beings coming from the heavens exist in many cultures."

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What is up with this dudes hair???  It gets wackier, and wackier every season!

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:11 AM

View PostLava_Lady, on 30 October 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

What is up with this dudes hair???  It gets wackier, and wackier every season!
Aliens, probably.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 05:19 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 31 October 2012 - 05:11 AM, said:

Aliens, probably.

Hehe... You may be right

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:27 AM

More evidence (albeit anecdotal) that we were probably visited by alien being in our past.


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Posted 31 October 2012 - 07:29 AM

Double post

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 11:40 AM

Maybe the story is just their interpretation of a strange guy being evaporated by lightning/ball lightning.

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Posted 31 October 2012 - 01:48 PM

Shining bright, like an angel.





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