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[DieChecker]

Sakari, on 16 November 2012 - 02:00 AM, said:

At least Jeff did,

I'm just happy he showed up and answered questions at all. That is a Damn sight better then anyone else has ever done. I give him big time Credit for that!

He still has a Membership here, and I think sending him PMs would be the way to go for those who "Really, really" have to know something. PMs should be routed to whatever email address he joined with.

[Sakari]

DieChecker, on 18 November 2012 - 02:48 AM, said:

I'm just happy he showed up and answered questions at all. That is a Damn sight better then anyone else has ever done. I give him big time Credit for that!

He still has a Membership here, and I think sending him PMs would be the way to go for those who "Really, really" have to know something. PMs should be routed to whatever email address he joined with.

I agree with this 100%

It is the other person in the project I was refering to, and the project itself in my opinion.

[keninsc]

I got the feeling that unless you're willing to underwrite the cost of his project, you shouldn't bother.

Yeah, he showed up and answered a few questions and that's better than some I've encountered over the years. However, he is trying to get funding.....what's the old saying? "Money talks and BS walks." If he's going to get it off the drawing board and into reality......then into the air, he needs money. Talk and all that is nice but it don't turn dreams into reality.

Also Meldrum was recently featured on "Finding Bigfoot"........I didn't catch all of it as I was preoccupied while the show was on, but I seem to recall them saying something about his project as well. So he's working all the angles for funding, which I can't say I blame him for doing.

[QuiteContrary]

keninsc, on 18 November 2012 - 04:36 AM, said:

I got the feeling that unless you're willing to underwrite the cost of his project, you shouldn't bother.

Yeah, he showed up and answered a few questions and that's better than some I've encountered over the years. However, he is trying to get funding.....what's the old saying? "Money talks and BS walks." If he's going to get it off the drawing board and into reality......then into the air, he needs money. Talk and all that is nice but it don't turn dreams into reality.

Also Meldrum was recently featured on "Finding Bigfoot"........I didn't catch all of it as I was preoccupied while the show was on, but I seem to recall them saying something about his project as well. So he's working all the angles for funding, which I can't say I blame him for doing.

No, the Falcon Project wasn't mentioned on FB. But I did feel a convenient reciprocity. Meldrum got some air time and in turn he "confirmed" the bigfoot print that even Cliff (of all people) wasn't sure about.

[keninsc]

Oh ok, well it always sounds so much more official if you express some doubt and then have a guy with a Doctorate tell you your only mistake was you thought you might have been wrong. Interesting they didn't mention his project in exchange for his "expert opinion".

[QuiteContrary]

keninsc, on 18 November 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

Oh ok, well it always sounds so much more official if you express some doubt and then have a guy with a Doctorate tell you your only mistake was you thought you might have been wrong. Interesting they didn't mention his project in exchange for his "expert opinion".

No, but he got some air time and publicity. A name, a face, a lab, a university, a Dr, an expert. We know who he is now.
Give them time to possibly bring up The Project or at least use Dr. Meldrum more?

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 November 2012 - 10:34 AM.

[keninsc]

Yeah, true. I think I recall he eluded to having  to consider what his backers wanted to do with the video rights, or something to that effect. So, he could have a deal in the works for his own TV special and possible off shoot show. Hey, from I understand "Finding Bigfoot" Is way up in the rating on "Animal Planet".

[Slave2Fate]

keninsc, on 18 November 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Yeah, true. I think I recall he eluded to having  to consider what his backers wanted to do with the video rights, or something to that effect. So, he could have a deal in the works for his own TV special and possible off shoot show. Hey, from I understand "Finding Bigfoot" Is way up in the rating on "Animal Planet".

You would think that Animal Planet, being a part of the Discovery Channel family would be interested in education. Apparently not so much.

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According to their online mission statement, “Discovery Communications is committed to supporting the extension of science, environmental and other educational programs in the U.S…. and promoting the value of nonfiction content and documentary filmmaking across all genres.” Unfortunately, Discovery’s new Animal Planet programming sensationalizes and humanizes nature at the expense of education, science and the environment. It’s a trend that hurts both animals and the planet.

http://www.freeradic...world-of-awful/

The article describes Animal Planet fairly well and covers a lot of reasons why I don't watch it any more.

[QuiteContrary]

Yeah, I guess Ranae is supposed to cover their butts.

Even reality shows are fake, TV isn't a reliable source for much of anything.

[Sakari]

keninsc, on 18 November 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

Oh ok, well it always sounds so much more official if you express some doubt and then have a guy with a Doctorate tell you your only mistake was you thought you might have been wrong. Interesting they didn't mention his project in exchange for his "expert opinion".

QuiteContrary, on 18 November 2012 - 10:31 AM, said:

No, but he got some air time and publicity. A name, a face, a lab, a university, a Dr, an expert. We know who he is now.
Give them time to possibly bring up The Project or at least use Dr. Meldrum more?

Maybe you two thought NW was joking with his book reply......

Matt Moneymaker ( Head of BFRO, Finding Bigfoot ) is arguing with the guys on the falcon project, hes says it will not work......Go back a couple pages and read again....

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Moneymaker wrote us the following statement in an email regarding Meldrum's Falcon Project:

Their blimp project won't work (been there, done that, in 2003). There's a few factors that make their project problematic:

In order to zoom in well from a safe altitude, the thermal must be a very big unit, like the type used on police helicopters. But those are heavy units, which means these guys will need a pretty big blimp ... which means they need to cart many big tanks of helium around with them, because they'll need to deflate the blimp every night (been there, done that) unless they walk it into a hangar every night.

It doesn't take much wind to blow away a blimp. Simply anchoring it to the ground only works if there's no strong breezes. Otherwise the blimp will be torn apart at the moorings.

Moreover, the police-chopper thermal units with zoom are very expensive, and they are kinda fragile. That's a big problem because it's almost certain that their unmanned blimp is going to have some rough landings, if not full on crashes. A blimp can be repaired in a few hours but a big expensive thermal camera will not be fixed that quickly.

The guy wants to use a blimp because he thinks it will be more quiet than a helicopter. He doesn't understand the reality there: In order to fly the blimp around it will need one or more propellers and those definitely make noise .... maybe not as loud as a helicopter but they are not what you'd call quiet.

Matt

http://bigfooteviden...ums-falcon.html

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Falcon Project Team Responds To Matt Moneymaker



A few days ago, we published an opinion by Matt Moneymaker regarding the Falcon Project. Moneymaker criticized the project and said he "sees many problems with their project".  Falcon Project team members decided to respond with the following statement after reading our blog post titled, "Matt Moneymaker on Meldrum's Falcon Project: Their blimp project won't work":

In Response to Moneymaker's Critique of The Falcon Project

The members of The Falcon Project would like to thank Matt Moneymaker for all of his efforts and contribution to the Sasquatch research community over the years. Through his effort and the creation of the BFRO (Bigfoot Field Research Organization), many people have been informed of current events in this field of research. Moneymaker's dedication to the research of Sasquatch has paved the way for many, from all walks of life, to get involved; this has expanded the community of researchers. He has also generated much media attention on the topic, which has created the perfect climate into which The Falcon Project could be birthed.

Since Moneymaker’s deployment of a tethered balloon approximately 9 years ago, the technology for both airships and imaging available for such an undertaking has changed significantly. By 2010, when William Barnes (founder of The Falcon Project) began this endeavor, he was able to source out an airship and imaging system with broadcast quality much superior to what was available when the first attempts at this type of project were made.

Technology grows by leaps and bounds in just a single year. The scale and capabilities of..................................


<a href="http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/11/falcon-project-team-responds-to-matt.html">http://bigfootevidence.blogspot.com/2012/11/falcon-project-team-responds-to-matt.html

Reply above was made 5 days ago.......






As I said, they do not have time to respond to real questions here, or through emails.....They only have time to advertise, and bicker between " popular " Bigfoot " specialists " to get that free advertisement, and hopes of funds....

I am excluding Jeff Meldrum from these comments, ( for now ) I am talking the person I had named all ready on a previous post.

[QuiteContrary]

I don't think I've contradicted anything posted.

FB gave Dr. Meldrum some exposure, something they haven't done on previous seasons.
I think it is convenient considering his project on the horizon. Which is all well and good.

Moneymaker doesn't have complete control over FB.

Who is part of the Falcon Project ground crew again?
Hasn't Bobo been mentioned? The team says MM is not the shows leader, they are all equal.

Bigfoot is hot, what stops the show's creators from wanting to be part of a documentary on the Falcon Project? And thus, giving Dr. Meldrum some airtime for their own purposes?

It is smart for Dr. Meldrum to take any offers for exposure, imo.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 18 November 2012 - 06:13 PM.

[keninsc]

Slave2Fate, on 18 November 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

You would think that Animal Planet, being a part of the Discovery Channel family would be interested in education. Apparently not so much.

I think that's the way they (Discovery Channel) started out started out. Originally they were formed and owned by NetStar, then Canadian TV bought a controlling share in them, 80% and oddly ESPN Inc. owns 20% of them. So they have their two major owner who are into ratings and the cash they generate from those ratings via advertizing. Sadly, it's all about money when it comes to TV, always has been probably always will be. Now what I find interesting is a number of these so called "Bigfoot experts" keep sort of popping up here and there on the show. The BFRO has a lot of members and access to a lot of potential encounter sights which makes it a little easier to make a show. Keep in mind it's TV and TV is all about keeping the ratings up, if you can check which shows generated the most ratings then odds are that's the kind of stuff you're going to see more of or a lot more of the next season.

Education is all well and good, take a good hard, close look at the nut job Captain of the "Sea Shepard" going out to do battle with the dark forces of the Japanese Fishing Fleet to protect the whats. Sooner or later they're going to try something in open waters and the Japanese are going to surprise them by sinking their ship. No, fact is you attack a ship on the high seas, that Captain has the right to defend his ship against all boarders and all threats. Personally, I think they're hoping for an armed confrontation ".......And Discovery was there, cameras rolling....." What's educational about glorifying conflict......oh yeah, it teaches kids that fighting for a "higher purpose" is all noble and stuff. Funny, I was told that stuff back in Nam as well, how'd that work out you ask? Not too good.

[Sakari]

QuiteContrary, on 18 November 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

I don't think I've contradicted anything posted.

FB gave Dr. Meldrum some exposure, something they haven't done on previous seasons.
I think it is convenient considering his project on the horizon. Which is all well and good.

Moneymaker doesn't have complete control over FB.

Who is part of the Falcon Project ground crew again?
Hasn't Bobo been mentioned? The team says MM is not the shows leader, they are all equal.

Bigfoot is hot, what stops the show's creators from wanting to be part of a documentary on the Falcon Project? And thus, giving Dr. Meldrum some airtime for their own purposes?

It is smart for Dr. Meldrum to take any offers for exposure, imo.

Not really surer what my point was, kind of tired...

I see Moneymaker saying the project will not work...( Matt Moneymaker is the President of BFRO, so they are not all equal )

Then I see Moneymaker using Meldrum on his entertainment show........( the fact that Jeff would be on a show that uses disco balls and a " rage " party scene to attract Bigfoot tells me a lot also, who takes those guys seriously?......Bad move I think on Jeffs part, unless the project is not to find anything, but to make fame and money )

But again, I have seen plenty of frauds, lies, stretching of truth, all to get money and fame, and Moneymaker is almost all ways right there.

I am not 100% sure who is from where on the project, other then what NW pointed out. Bobo is on some other team that yes, is the ground team for the falcon project, ( Bobo not mentioned yet ), and as mentioned, this is a sad thing.

I think a project like this ( as pointed out ) needs people that are not running on blind faith, or that are not entwined in the Bigfoot rage. A Game Warden, a Biologist, a regular Joe ( hunter from area ), and a expert on the Wildlife of the area ( Game Warden Department ). Not just a bunch of people that think every noise, impression, or story is " Squachy "...

I had hopes this project would be legitimate, but with the " Documentary " talk, and the shared information that if anything spectacular was filmed, it will not be shared for free, has all put this with the " Finding Bigfoot " crowd...

But again, I do know a large bipedal creature does not walk around North America.......( lets not change the subject )

Edited by Sakari, 18 November 2012 - 07:52 PM.

[Sakari]

Slave2Fate, on 18 November 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

You would think that Animal Planet, being a part of the Discovery Channel family would be interested in education. Apparently not so much.

Animal Planet had " The Demon Exorcist "........They have no interest in educating anyone. They did receive a ton of emails about that though, and it was not extended to anymore episodes.

[keninsc]

QuiteContrary, on 18 November 2012 - 05:54 PM, said:

I don't think I've contradicted anything posted.

Who said you did? *Looks up to see a blocked poster replied* Oh, no wonder

FB gave Dr. Meldrum some exposure, something they haven't done on previous seasons.
I think it is convenient considering his project on the horizon. Which is all well and good.
Moneymaker doesn't have complete control over FB.

He might not, but he is the guy who got the BFRO cranked up and it was Moneymaker who pitched the idea for the show to Discovery. So while on the show their all supposed to be equal, my guess would be that MM is a little more equal. Someone always has to lead.

Bigfoot is hot, what stops the show's creators from wanting to be part of a documentary on the Falcon Project? And thus, giving Dr. Meldrum some airtime for their own purposes?

It is smart for Dr. Meldrum to take any offers for exposure, imo.

That might be more convoluted an answer than you'd think. Discovery probably wants broaden that base since Bigfoot is hot ratings wide, but they need to figure out who's going to do well on TV and who won't so they have certain people show up as guests on FB and see how well they track rating wise. Tv's been doing that ever since I can remember. How Moneymaker feels about it I can't say but I'd bet you a dollar he's not happy about it.