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#16    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 01:07 PM

View PostUmbrellaSquad, on 15 April 2011 - 11:05 AM, said:

These demons are real. It's time that the people start awakening and converting to christ. .


Prove it?  I mean I for one have never experienced any... Can you seriously prove demons actually exist?

I love how so many like to point the finger at supernatural when something is wrong..    I guess they see no point in taking responsibility for their own actions eh?

It reminds me of a christian guy I heard about - Porn addict - he claims demons were at fault  ...WRONG  he was at fault... he just didnt care to take responsibility for his own actions

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On top of that I have seen angels who do evil deeds against God. Day of Judgement is neccesary NOW!! ofcourse these angels I speak about are in human form manifestation. They have many forms and abilities one of those being human. (Research: Serpent-seed Nephelims & Giants. They are out there by the millions hiding within the sectors of society, those who expose them are punished to the fullest extent and criticised as being crazy.

    
  I do not buy a single word of this...

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 01:39 PM

Yep dude, that what they do, They embellish and exagerate hoping word gets out and scares people into his church. He made himself a hero. Of course if you were to counter their stories and tell what really happened to steal this pastors thunder it wouldnt be too pretty for you. Scare people into the church and the money will roll in.


View Poststevefork, on 14 April 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

Keven,

I respect you point of view, however, let me explain my position further. More than ten years ago I have witnessed a so called "possession". I was with a group of friends in a hotel room when one of our friend suddenly felt bad and went into some kind of frenzy, screaming and wailing, the tone of her voice turned to a deep baritone. She started trashing the room. Mind you, we were not drinking or taking drugs. We were all in conversing when it happened. The thing was, the rest of our friends were actually born again christians and were very active in their practice. Everyone was shocked, immediately after, my christian friends pronounced that our friend was being possessed. This was also confirmed by our friend who was supposedly possessed by claiming that was an evil spirit in the room. They later called a pastor and started praying over our friend. Now, being the skeptic I was, i just stood by the side and observed the whole situation and everyone. At one point while they are praying, the pastor even declared that my presence was actually counter productive because i was an unbeliever and it was me who was the reason why she cannot be exorcised. Nevertheless i continued to observe. it took them several hours of praying until our friend began to calm down and fall asleep. The Pastor and our other friends declared their exorcism a success. Now, the thing was, my observation of our friend's so called possession, was that there was nothing extraordinary about her physical actions or manifestations except that of a complete psychotic meltdown of some level brought about by some stress she had been experiencing. However, days later, word spread around about her possession to other people, the pastor himself have been reveling about the incident in his church about the incident and somehow have painted a different depiction of the event. Our christian friends too who were there were telling stories how they can feel her body becoming extremely hot and that there were physical marking appearing on her body and that she was levitating and it was only their prayer that was stopping our friend from completely flying out of the room. Whoaa, in my mind, wait a second, I was present there and none of that happened; but somemhow all of them espoused these claims and truly believed it happened. So other people they told the story too also believed them and couldnt be convinced otherwise as if they were there and seen it with their own eyes. What was happening here I thought. Clearly, what happened is a combination of several factors that came into play that gave birth to these belief. What happened was that everyone was already preprogrammed to believe and they were not objective. The pastor who went there already made up his mind that it was a possession before there was even a clear diagnosis coming from a certified medical practitioner. The power of suggestion that filled that room was tremendous that believe me, even an unbeliever can feel awed by what was happening if they were not objective, rational and had knowledge on the subject of psychology, which i was. Dont get me wrong, it was weird being there, but it was in no way supernatural; i was just shocked that my friend was going though that. The image of my friend going through that was definitely disquieting but i saw nothing supernatural happen, nor did any of what they said afterwards happen in any shape or form. They all had some kind of group induced hysteria induced by the stressful situation coupled of course by the fact that they have already made up their mind beforehand what it was. They had somehow induced themselves to believe that these things had happened. It is common for a group of people who have gone through a traumatic event and come out of it with a diffrent memory of what really happened. Each person have a set of world view by which their mind form ideas and fill in the blanks to events and memories based on what they already believe in. This is a well known fact in psychology.

Whatever the church is doing here, it is really not helpfull. The only people they are helping is their institution. The people who are experiencing these so called Possessions should be under the care of medical professionals. Not that all medical professionals around the world have experience in this matter and type of psychosis, but nevertheless their psychosis should not be supported by these priest's who just want to proliferate more fear and belief in superstition that is clearly evident in these individuals. Please remember the witch hunts of the last couple of centuries in New England, Salem and the rest of the world that the catholic church has unleashed on us, according to reports, close to 9 million people were executed because of this. Science is continuous process, its cumulative and its a collective knowledge that is still growing, validated and sometimes rendered obsolete and debunked at the presence of more recent findings. When religious individuals start making the grand claim that science cannot explain everything and that everthing that cannot be explained must be supernatural in nature is a logical fallacy. A lot things and natural phenomenon in the past are not known or explained because people havent fully studied and explained them. Sometimes it takes only an individual to discover something that would change our understanding of what we previously do not fully understand, but it takes a speculative and  curious mind to find answers to questions that other people would just attribute to supernatural. Faith i say is nothing but laziness and ignorance combined. Indeed we have much to learn about our world and universe, but remember, 500 years ago traditional thinking told us that the world was flat, based on what biblical scholars interpretation of the bible. Majority of diseases were not known and have no cure or treatment and often certain diseases were attributed to the devil and people would just pray for them to be cured. Now, because of our collective knowledge and still continuing research, we conquered a lot of diseases and are at the pinnacle of creating new treatments for other diseases that are ravaging people all over the world. Just as all areas of science that we study, there is no such thing as supernatural; we may not have the answers to a lot of pressing questions now, but believe me, the future generations will find them.



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Posted 15 April 2011 - 01:42 PM

View Postscepticalbeliever, on 15 April 2011 - 01:39 PM, said:

.. Scare people into the church and the money will roll in.




Did you hear about the catholic priest that was jailed for scamming people...fake excorisms? he made over 3 million.. eventually caught out...

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 02:40 PM

i am a filipino go philippine priest and base on my observation demon's are real and those demons will attack with the weak spirit those  who had lost hope and many more


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 02:49 PM

View PostEternalBlizzard, on 15 April 2011 - 02:40 PM, said:

i am a filipino go philippine priest and base on my observation demon's are real and those demons will attack with the weak spirit those  who had lost hope and many more
:rolleyes: of course they are.. and no one should ever go to jail... we should just blame demons for all wrong doings and attacks...

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 02:49 PM

Demons are real. I had many forced out of me in Ayahuasca cerimonies with a Shaman in Peru. Don't belive me. Drink and see for yourself.


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 02:50 PM

View Posttwobytwice, on 15 April 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

.. Drink and see for yourself.
That explains why you see them then? ... Lay off the beers ...:rolleyes:

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 03:05 PM

View PostMainpoint, on 15 April 2011 - 12:09 AM, said:

way back in the day I used to battle demons
Back in the days when the UAC were experimenting with teleporters on mars?


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 03:38 PM

He he he the priest explain it in a simple way if you are skeptics then explain in a simple way why you don't believe, don't fool yourselves because I know after reading this you are now confused. Can science explain what is happening whenever there is a possession, science can only tell the way it happen not how it happen. Until now ever since human have exist the word "how" is a big question to many of us. But if you believe in God everything will be made simple. Read the bible the living book and you can see that there is really demons, that this world is a place of war, a war of good vs. evil. If you are a skeptics and you got your name through baptism in the name of our lord it is better to change your name.


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 04:26 PM

View Postbrainiac, on 15 April 2011 - 03:38 PM, said:

He he he the priest explain it in a simple way if you are skeptics then explain in a simple way why you don't believe, don't fool yourselves because I know after reading this you are now confused. Can science explain what is happening whenever there is a possession, science can only tell the way it happen not how it happen. Until now ever since human have exist the word "how" is a big question to many of us. But if you believe in God everything will be made simple. Read the bible the living book and you can see that there is really demons, that this world is a place of war, a war of good vs. evil. If you are a skeptics and you got your name through baptism in the name of our lord it is better to change your name.
What good is an explanation when you can't support it?
The Bible also talks about rain coming from windows in the sky, I guess thats more simpler than the water cycle.


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 05:27 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 15 April 2011 - 02:50 PM, said:

That explains why you see them then? ... Lay off the beers ...:rolleyes:

wait...aren't you the one who painted your ceiling to protect you from demons? I read that post of yours but can't find it now...care to explain that?

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 07:22 PM

View Postmarkprice, on 15 April 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

wait...aren't you the one who painted your ceiling to protect you from demons? I read that post of yours but can't find it now...care to explain that?

Yea sure - ask - Agent Mulder... he will tell you.. I was taking the piss lol  

I watch too much Supernatural TV shows... got carried away.. so I had my fun...  I just couldnt keep it all up.. I felt as if I was dumbing myself way down... :w00t:

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Posted 15 April 2011 - 09:56 PM

The bottom line is, even the Church Of Satan warn people that bad consequences can occur if someone do rituals incorrectly...

The fact is the ego of the scientific culture is so bloated is going to explode...

As for if exorcism is real, I keep my options open. But...


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 09:57 PM

Another attempted fraud by the self serving Catholic Church and Father Jose Francisco Syquia who only seek to frighten the gullible. They could go out and get some on-line lessons from Linda Blair. Oh ****! Beam me up Scotty before my head spins off into orbit!


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Posted 15 April 2011 - 10:04 PM

View Posttwobytwice, on 15 April 2011 - 02:49 PM, said:

Demons are real. I had many forced out of me in Ayahuasca cerimonies with a Shaman in Peru. Don't belive me. Drink and see for yourself.

So, to experience demons, you have to ingest hallucinogenic jungle brews?

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