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[regeneratia]

Citizens of the world,

Anonymous has observed for some time now the trajectory of justice in the United States with growing concern. We have marked the departure of this system from the noble ideals in which it was born and enshrined. We have seen the erosion of due process, the dilution of constitutional rights, the usurpation of the rightful authority of courts by the "discretion" or prosecutors. We have seen how the law is wielded less and less to uphold justice, and more and more to exercise control, authority and power in the interests of oppression or personal gain.

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What do you think?

What comes up in your head over this?

[and then]

I fully support their action in this case.  I don't know the full story behind Mr Swartz but by all accounts he was pushed to suicide by overzealous prosecutors who did it just because they could.  This needs to end - NOW.  If they have info that would embarrass or leave government officials open to legal liability then they should publish it - every word and image.

[Order66]

and then, on 29 January 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

I fully support their action in this case.  I don't know the full story behind Mr Swartz but by all accounts he was pushed to suicide by overzealous prosecutors who did it just because they could.  This needs to end - NOW.  If they have info that would embarrass or leave government officials open to legal liability then they should publish it - every word and image.

So they were punished by overzealous hackers who did it because they could? An angry mob would criticize prosecutors for not following the rule of law?

[F3SS]

I have mixed feeling about anonymous but sometimes I fully in favor of what they claim to be able to do. Things like andthen just said. Sometimes they're just players though it seems. Like they always might release secret files of interest unless they get their way. Do they ever actually follow through with anything like that besides a hack and a warning? If they're on the side of right and they really have these secret files they ought to release them regardless. Any criminal activity within our government that can be exposed publicly and undoubtedly must be made into an example for all to see and be forewarned. It is our duty to expel this element if at all possible.

[and then]

Order66, on 29 January 2013 - 02:04 AM, said:

So they were punished by overzealous hackers who did it because they could? An angry mob would criticize prosecutors for not following the rule of law?

I believe there is a large difference between following the law and what happened in this case.  There is latitude within our system and the discretion of prosecutors can become a vehicle for bullying and ruining lives at a whim of those in power.  I stand to be corrected but I don't believe Mr Swartz physically or mentally harmed anyone with his alleged law breaking.  I'm not a supporter of anonymous in general or for leakers for that matter.  The case of Wiki Bradley Manning is a perfect example.  I'm fully on board for his punishment for doing much the same thing that I am ADVOCATING in this case.  Hypocritical?  Maybe, but I don't see it that way.  In his case my anger begins and ends with the uniform he was wearing under an oath when he committed the infraction.  Had he been Joe six-pack I'd have had little problem with what he did.  But then, Joe six-pack could never have had access to what Manning had to leak.

[regeneratia]

and then, on 29 January 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

I fully support their action in this case.  I don't know the full story behind Mr Swartz but by all accounts he was pushed to suicide by overzealous prosecutors who did it just because they could.  This needs to end - NOW.  If they have info that would embarrass or leave government officials open to legal liability then they should publish it - every word and image.

I have to agree, to all parts but that it was suicide. I just don't know if it was or not. I do know the CIA fakes suicides. I do know that a person who has as much chi and bravery as Aaron did, that suicide wasn't an easy lie to sell. I know we are told a lot of stuff. But if that story doesn't have an internal ring of truth, I am just not going to believe the story, and will continue on to speculate several scenarios, always choosing to favor the first speculation that comes to mind. Had a professor once who taught me how to plug in the crap detector and power it up.

-Mr_Fess-, on 29 January 2013 - 02:05 AM, said:

I have mixed feeling about anonymous but sometimes I fully in favor of what they claim to be able to do. Things like andthen just said. Sometimes they're just players though it seems. Like they always might release secret files of interest unless they get their way. Do they ever actually follow through with anything like that besides a hack and a warning? If they're on the side of right and they really have these secret files they ought to release them regardless. Any criminal activity within our government that can be exposed publicly and undoubtedly must be made into an example for all to see and be forewarned. It is our duty to expel this element if at all possible.

I also have misgivings about Anonymous. All thing pure eventually corrupt at some point. Especially when humans are involved.  But for now, anything is acceptable that forces the DOJ to start actually prosecuting the criminals that seriously damaged this country, instead of taking money from them.
I call this trepidation I feel "cognitive dissonance", contradictory feelings and thoughts. While I seriously believe the DOJ needs to be called to public accounting, I am not sure that Anonymous can stay pure and true to US COnstitution and THE PEOPLE. I would love to believe they are and will stay what I HOPE they are. But I once had some small hope in Obama that has since completely dissipated with his actions and inactions.

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Edited by regeneratia, 29 January 2013 - 03:46 AM.

[Professor T]

Order66, on 29 January 2013 - 02:04 AM, said:

So they were punished by overzealous hackers who did it because they could? An angry mob would criticize prosecutors for not following the rule of law?

It's only a pity the Angry Mob can't overthrow the PTB imo.

[AsteroidX]

I fully support there actions. If all they left was a message that is massive restraint.

Memorials to fallen fighters of freedom come in many ways. This is one of our own.

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addendum: aint it crazy how deep we get

Edited by AsteroidX, 29 January 2013 - 03:40 AM.

[acidhead]

Justice is actually spelled:  just-us

Walk into a 7-eleven and try walking out without paying.  You'll be sprayed across the news and finger printed.

Yet the cronies who select the Presidents that americans get to vote for get away with economic terrorism and are hailed as heroes for saving the economy they screwed in the first place.

[Wickian]

At the very least this might wake the government up to how much of a joke our cyber-security is.  While I agree with the heart of what the author of that article is writing, the commentary is kind of extreme in blowing some things out of proportion.

[regeneratia]

Wickian, on 29 January 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

At the very least this might wake the government up to how much of a joke our cyber-security is.  While I agree with the heart of what the author of that article is writing, the commentary is kind of extreme in blowing some things out of proportion.

I was kind of thinking that the java bug might have been the US government's way of trying to shut down Anonyous. While I like Mike Adams, he has an agenda too. It is one I agree with most of the time.

Edited by regeneratia, 29 January 2013 - 03:48 AM.

[acidhead]

Mike Adams fills in for Alex Jones as host once in a while on the Alex Jones Show when Alex cannot be in studio.

[regeneratia]

acidhead, on 29 January 2013 - 03:54 AM, said:

Mike Adams fills in for Alex Jones as host once in a while on the Alex Jones Show when Alex cannot be in studio.

He is often on Coast to Coast AM too as a guest, which I get via podcast.

[F3SS]

This 43 trillion dollar lawsuit thing is an enormous deal. How trustworthy is investmentwatchblog.com? Anyways, were does 43 trillion dollars come from? Are million dollar bribes no longer cutting it?

[Kasey2601]

Well I am thrilled to know that some little ******s who have probably never served on a jury and hide behind masks would so blatantly disregard those of us have, in fact, served on a jury.