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#1    TraJikMaJik

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 04:12 AM

Hello, my mother purchased a piece of furnite from the Black Forest, so it was advertised to her. The carving on this piece of furniture is very detailed, every piece being hand crafted to perfection.  On this piece of furniture it has the inscription TRYN    IACOPS (or IAGOPS) In between TRYN, AND IACOPS THERE IS A FLOWER (not sure if it is meant to be an O also) with the date of 1720 under it.

Now what makes this piece of furniture interesting is that inside a secrect compartment there is an old hand carved statue, of a woman in robes, with some sort of Crown, holding a baby. There is an inscription on the statue with the letters [SIZE=7]ND [SIZE=1]DE [SIZE=7]FOY.  With an inscription on the back of R.I. or R.1.

I can think of nothing but this baby being baby jesus.. Or possibly, a baby of jesus?  If anyone could help me with interpreting what this statue is, and means, I would be greatful.. Thank you ahead of time.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 04:14 AM

a photo might help more.. original.gif

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 04:15 AM

QUOTE(LilaBurrows @ Mar 31 2005, 10:14 PM)
a photo might help more.. original.gif

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Tried uploading photos, but can not get them to show on page.. Anyone help? Maybe someone with experience will let me email them the pictures, and they can upload to site?

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 04:44 AM

I think your inscription is the craftsman's name.  If he was being fancy with it (and if the carving is as skilled as you say it sounds like he was entitled to be!) he may well have used "I" to represent "J", as in Latin.  "Tryn" and "Jacobs" are both Dutch names.  (Not sure why there'd be a "p" on the end, but perhaps Jacobs was spelled "Jacops" in Germany?)  Perhaps you could search for information on an artisan named Tryn Jacop(b )s who worked in the Black Forest area at the beginning of the 18th Century?

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Edit: Lol!  It turned my (b ) into a smiley ((cool.gif) so I had to go back and add a space to it. laugh.gif

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 04:48 AM

QUOTE(TraJikMaJik @ Apr 1 2005, 05:12 AM)
Hello, my mother purchased a piece of furnite from the Black Forest, so it was advertised to her. The carving on this piece of furniture is very detailed, every piece being hand crafted to perfection.  On this piece of furniture it has the inscription TRYN    IACOPS (or IAGOPS) In between TRYN, AND IACOPS THERE IS A FLOWER (not sure if it is meant to be an O also) with the date of 1720 under it.

Now what makes this piece of furniture interesting is that inside a secrect compartment there is an old hand carved statue, of a woman in robes, with some sort of Crown, holding a baby. There is an inscription on the statue with the letters [SIZE=7]ND [SIZE=1]DE [SIZE=7]FOY.  With an inscription on the back of R.I. or R.1.

I can think of nothing but this baby being baby jesus.. Or possibly, a baby of jesus?  If anyone could help me with interpreting what this statue is, and means, I would be greatful.. Thank you ahead of time.

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It is a dutch piece. The inscription stands for Tryntje and Jacob.  It was customary to give pieces of furniture like this to couples on their wedding days back then.
The statue i'm afraid can't be as old as the furniture. The inscription stands for ND= Netherlands DE = deutchsland and FOY i am unsure of. If youre in america I'd say it stood for friends of yosemite. R.I. on the back sounds like a origin stamp. Guess you need to find an associated country with R.I.
I shall leave that bit to you

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:01 AM

TraJikMaJik,

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:04 AM

QUOTE(marduk @ Mar 31 2005, 10:48 PM)
QUOTE(TraJikMaJik @ Apr 1 2005, 05:12 AM)
Hello, my mother purchased a piece of furnite from the Black Forest, so it was advertised to her. The carving on this piece of furniture is very detailed, every piece being hand crafted to perfection.  On this piece of furniture it has the inscription TRYN    IACOPS (or IAGOPS) In between TRYN, AND IACOPS THERE IS A FLOWER (not sure if it is meant to be an O also) with the date of 1720 under it.

Now what makes this piece of furniture interesting is that inside a secrect compartment there is an old hand carved statue, of a woman in robes, with some sort of Crown, holding a baby. There is an inscription on the statue with the letters [SIZE=7]ND [SIZE=1]DE [SIZE=7]FOY.  With an inscription on the back of R.I. or R.1.

I can think of nothing but this baby being baby jesus.. Or possibly, a baby of jesus?  If anyone could help me with interpreting what this statue is, and means, I would be greatful.. Thank you ahead of time.

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It is a dutch piece. The inscription stands for Tryntje and Jacob.  It was customary to give pieces of furniture like this to couples on their wedding days back then.
The statue i'm afraid can't be as old as the furniture. The inscription stands for ND= Netherlands DE = deutchsland and FOY i am unsure of. If youre in america I'd say it stood for friends of yosemite. R.I. on the back sounds like a origin stamp. Guess you need to find an associated country with R.I.
I shall leave that bit to you

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Thx for the reply on the furniture marduk.. However, i feel you are wrong on the statue.. ND de Foy has something to do with Black Madonnas. And White Madonnas.. They were religous artifacts usually held in sanctuaries and churches. Most of these artifacts are in Museums or private collections. They were hidden in places to keep them from destruction of the Turks who were invading at the time. Usually made of Wood (Which this one is) and some made of stone. The black madonna was used as a artifact of holyness used by the templars.. When you hold the figure up to the sun, it will turn black.
Sorry if im giving somewhat uncertain information.. But after seeing pictures of the black madonna/white madonna, I know for a fact, this is what I am holding.. If any of you can find more info, it would be appreciated, Also I will be searching more myself..
Ahhh and another piece of info I found, Another ND de Foy, Was found in an ancient Oak tree by a woodcrafter on July 6th, 1609, and was lost in the 1840's, and later recovered.. So I think it is safe to say, that it is quite possible this figurine is way older then the furniture it was hidden in.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:10 AM

black madonna, white madonna? Do you have a link? I'm intrigued.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:14 AM

Make sure your mother keeps all records of the purchase.
If it turns out to be worth a fortune the previous owner may want it back
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:19 AM

ND de Foy would be something from Foy. the only foy i know of is in Belgium.
could ND be Notre Dame? Our lady of Foy. makes sense.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:24 AM

here is an introduction to the black madonna, or black virgin..  My sculputre is almost identical to those of most of the pictures i see on them, short of the child wearing a crown... Basically you can do a search of black madonna, and it will come up with PAGES AND PAGES of interesting information. http://www.udayton.edu/mary/meditations/blackmdn.html

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 05:52 AM

Thanks for the link I have never heard of this before. thumbsup.gif You should take the madonna to an antique dealer and try to get an age or artist, If it has been in a secret compartment for centuries it could be really valuable.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 06:08 AM

QUOTE(Rye Guy @ Apr 1 2005, 06:52 AM)
Thanks for the link I have never heard of this before. thumbsup.gif You should take the madonna to an antique dealer and try to get an age or artist, If it has been in a secret compartment for centuries it could be really valuable.

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Woooah don't you dare do that.
Take it to a museum and show it to them
Any antiques dealer who knows what this is will rip you off.
A museum is much more likely to pay you a good price for it or at least value it for you so that you can't be ripped off if you sell it.
They'll also be able to authenticate it for you.
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Posted 01 April 2005 - 07:22 AM

QUOTE(marduk @ Apr 1 2005, 02:08 AM)
QUOTE(Rye Guy @ Apr 1 2005, 06:52 AM)
Thanks for the link I have never heard of this before. thumbsup.gif You should take the madonna to an antique dealer and try to get an age or artist, If it has been in a secret compartment for centuries it could be really valuable.

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Woooah don't you dare do that.
Take it to a museum and show it to them
Any antiques dealer who knows what this is will rip you off.
A museum is much more likely to pay you a good price for it or at least value it for you so that you can't be ripped off if you sell it.
They'll also be able to authenticate it for you.

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Good call marduk - the museam is a much more worthy cause as well - it will be able to be displayed to the public.

If you decide to sell it - I wouldn't.  If I had contact to such a relic, I would resarch and find out more about it, rather then let someone do that for me.

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Posted 01 April 2005 - 11:43 AM

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