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#46    danielost

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

View PostYamato, on 13 May 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:


These problems long predate Palestinian rockets.  The rockets came before the media paid attention.

And don't forger you said isreal owns gaza.
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Keeping the wheelchairs and concrete out of Gaza saved lives?   If those ships docked in port, nobody would have died.  But the ships were raided by Israel and nine died.   Keeping up with convention, the deck of a US ship is US sovereign.  Any attack on that ship is an attack on the United States.  Moreover, any attack on a member of NATO is an attack on all members of NATO.   By the letter of our treaty we would have been at war with Israel.  But laws aren't for Israel.  They're for Saddam Hussein though.




The first attack on the jews was in 1932(?) One year after tey were welcomed home by the local shiek.  There were no palistians at this time.  The group that became them lived in jordan and tried to take over that government.


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Posted 13 May 2013 - 02:45 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 May 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

The first attack on the jews was in 1932(?) One year after tey were welcomed home by the local shiek.  There were no palistians at this time.  The group that became them lived in jordan and tried to take over that government.

But of course there were no indigenous people identified as Palestinians living in the Holy Lands before the founding of Israel in 1948. The nerve of these illiterate Arabs in attempting to rewrite our world history.

Thank God for the truth!

1919
First Palestinian National Congress meeting in Jerusalem sends two memoranda to Versailles rejecting Balfour Declaration and demanding independence.
- From:  http://www.jewishvir...tory/brits.html

The Palestine Arab Congress were a series of congresses held by the Palestinian Arab population organized by a nationwide network of local Muslim-Christian Associations in the British Mandate of Palestine. Between 1919 and 1928, a series of seven Congresses were held in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Haifa and Nablus. Despite broad public support the congresses, their executive committees were never officially recognised by the British who claimed they were unrepresentative.[1] Following the British defeat of Ottoman forces in 1918, the British initially established military rule and later a civil administration over Palestine. The Palestine Arab Congress and its organizers in the Muslim-Christian Associations were formed when the country's Arab population began to organize and coordinate opposition to British policies.
- From: http://en.wikipedia....e_Arab_Congress

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 May 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

The first attack on the jews was in 1932(?) One year after tey were welcomed home by the local shiek.  There were no palistians at this time.  The group that became them lived in jordan and tried to take over that government.

On December 1922, Britain declared its recognition   of "the existence of an independent constitutional Government in Transjordan." And in 1928, Britain specifically defined Palestine as the area WEST of the Jordan River.

And it was only in Palestine that Britain recognized as applicable its promise in the Balfour Declaration to aid in establishing a Jewish homeland.

Here are three historical examples, huge examples, that Palestine DID NOT INCLUDE Jordan (Transjordan).

"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

View PostAlasBabylon, on 11 May 2013 - 02:23 AM, said:

The Israelis might resort to their "Samson Option"...
so if there is a war, it better be quick and final.



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Speaking of "The Samson Option", check your local libraries or second hand bookstores for The Samson Option written by Seymour M Hersh, who won a Pulitzer Prize for International Journalism and dozens of other major journalism prizes. He exposes the bold-faced lies and propaganda Israel resorted to in their obsessive drive to become the first nuclear power in the Middle East.

"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:54 PM

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On December 1922, Britain declared its recognition   of "the existence of an independent constitutional Government in Transjordan." And in 1928, Britain specifically defined Palestine as the area WEST of the Jordan River.

And it was only in Palestine that Britain recognized as applicable its promise in the Balfour Declaration to aid in establishing a Jewish homeland.

Here are three historical examples, huge examples, that Palestine DID NOT INCLUDE Jordan (Transjordan).

I guess you missed the part where the jews had been buying land there since the late 1800s.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 07:58 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

I guess you missed the part where the jews had been buying land there since the late 1800s.

At the time of the UN partition plan in 1947, the Jews had only succeeded in buying 6% of all the land in Palestine.

"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:08 PM

htt://tundratabloids.com/jordan-is-palistine

Take note of the map.

Jordan and isreal were supposed to be a jewish homeland.

Isreal owned 6% of that land.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 09:59 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 May 2013 - 08:08 PM, said:

htt://tundratabloids.com/jordan-is-palistine

Take note of the map.

Jordan and isreal were supposed to be a jewish homeland.

Isreal owned 6% of that land.

The link is not working.

And NO, the Jews owned 6% of the land west of the Jordan. They didn't own any of Jordan's land.

"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:44 PM

View PostB Jenkins, on 13 May 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:

The link is not working.

And NO, the Jews owned 6% of the land west of the Jordan. They didn't own any of Jordan's land.
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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:30 AM

View PostB Jenkins, on 13 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:



Speaking of "The Samson Option", check your local libraries or second hand bookstores for The Samson Option written by Seymour M Hersh, who won a Pulitzer Prize for International Journalism and dozens of other major journalism prizes. He exposes the bold-faced lies and propaganda Israel resorted to in their obsessive drive to become the first nuclear power in the Middle East.

Everyone assumes they have nukes.  Isreal isn't talking about them or threatening to use them if they have the nukes.  Iran is,

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 03:36 AM

View PostB Jenkins, on 13 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:



Speaking of "The Samson Option", check your local libraries or second hand bookstores for The Samson Option written by Seymour M Hersh, who won a Pulitzer Prize for International Journalism and dozens of other major journalism prizes. He exposes the bold-faced lies and propaganda Israel resorted to in their obsessive drive to become the first nuclear power in the Middle East.

Everyone assumes they have nukes.  Isreal isn't talking about them or threatening to use them if they have the nukes.  Iran is,

View PostB Jenkins, on 13 May 2013 - 09:59 PM, said:



The link is not working.

And NO, the Jews owned 6% of the land west of the Jordan. They didn't own any of Jordan's land.

Can a mod. Fix my link it should be http not htt.  I  can't edit that post.


There was no jordan.

Edited by danielost, 14 May 2013 - 03:39 AM.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
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Posted 16 May 2013 - 06:20 PM

View Postdanielost, on 14 May 2013 - 03:36 AM, said:

Everyone assumes they have nukes.  Isreal isn't talking about them or threatening to use them if they have the nukes.  Iran is,

Can a mod. Fix my link it should be http not htt.  I  can't edit that post.

Israel is the 5th largest nuclear power in the world today. They have more nuclear warheads than Britain.


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There was no jordan.

There was a Jordan under both the terms of the League of Nation's Palestine Mandate 1922 and Churchill's White Paper of Palestine 1922. Transjordan was set to have a political existance separate from that of Palestine - Abdullah, son of Hussein of Mecca, appointed by Britain, was to permanently preside over the new entity by a decision made in 1922 - while west of the Jordan, Jews were promised a national home and non-Jews were promised full rights.

There is alot of mythmaking and historical distortions related to this origins of this Middle East crisis.

"I charge thee in the sight of God, who giveth life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed the good confession; that thou keep the commandment, without spot, without reproach, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ: which in its own times he shall show, WHO IS THE BLESSED AND ONLY POTENTE, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS; who only hath immortality, dwelling in light unapproachable; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and power eternal. Amen" (I Tim 6:13-16).

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 May 2013 - 01:51 PM, said:

The first attack on the jews was in 1932(?) One year after tey were welcomed home by the local shiek.  There were no palistians at this time.  The group that became them lived in jordan and tried to take over that government.
Palestinians never attacked "the Jews", they are unjust victims of Zionist terror exercising their just right of self defense.  Jordanian history is no reason to deny human rights and civil liberties today.    If something belongs to you, own it.  If not, ****.   I always find it fascinating how some people think that someone else's sins of the past excuse their own sins of the present and future.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

After officially assuring Washington on December 19, 1960, that Israel had no nuclear weapons programs, Israeli Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion two days later admitted to the Knesset that a nuclear reactor was being constructed in the Negev desert in Dimona.

I think the Israelis have just lied to us like horse thieves on this thing. They have completely distorted, misrepresented, and falsfied the facts in the past. I think it is very serious, for things that we have done for them to have them perform in this manner in connection with this very definite production reactor facility which they have been secretly building, and which they have consistantly, and with a completely straight face, denied to us they were building." Senator Bourke Hickenlooper, Senate Foreign Relations Committee, 1961

Furthermore, Israel has never signed the Treaty On The Non-Proliferation Of Nuclear Weapons. Ironically, most Arab nations have signed the treaty. So while Israel acts as the region's nuclear policemen which included the 1981 bombing of Iraq's Osirak nuclear research facility near Baghdad more than 600 miles from Israeli borders, with U.S.-made warplanes and direct U.S. assistance that helped radicalize Iraq. The Osirak facility was the most advanced technological project in the Arab world. BTW, Iraq was a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty while hypocritically Israel wasn't and still isn't.

Israel has resisted all international and U.S. efforts to either sign the Treaty since it was promulgated in 1968 or open its nuclear facilities to international inspection. Why? According to the CIA, Israel had already produced nuclear weapons since 1968 before the Treaty with ample evidence they had the weapons by the mid-1960s.

On September 4, 1974 the CIA issued a 5 page report on Israel confirming that it was a nuclear power and could deliver them over long distances ... based on Israeli acquisition of large quantiities uranium, partly by clandestine means; the ambiguous nature of Israeli efforts in the field of uranium enrichment; and Israel's large investment in a costly missile system designed to accommodate nuclear warheads". New York Times, 25 June 1981

The document was released in 1978 under a Freedom Of Information Act request; the CIA later said the release had been a "mistake".

Edited by B Jenkins, 16 May 2013 - 07:56 PM.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:39 PM

Yes they are nuclear and partly because of that the people of Israel LIVE.  I think it's a good thing that they cannot be erased by anyone without paying a butcher's bill so large as to be unthinkable.

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