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#16    Br Cornelius

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:36 PM

My certain knowledge shows that every time I follow the news another extreme weather event hits the headlines. Record cold in Northern Europe followed by record breaking heatwaves (which we are currently experiencing). Flooding in China and India. Anywhere you care to look dramatic weather events are acceleratingly in frequency.
The slow down in recent warming is due to the ENSO sending more heat to the ocean depths, the energy imbalance at the top of the atmosphere is still there and the total energy system continues to  accumulate more energy. Average global surface temperatures have continued to rise when the data has appropriate statistical analysis applied. I really don't know where the conclusion that the climate scientists have thrown their hands up in shame and attempted to deny they got it wrong - where I am looking - every report continues to assert that global warming continues apace.

Zaphod you must be reading a different reference source - care to tell us where you got the notion that Global warming was all over :no:

Maybe its just a grand conspiracy hey ;)

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 12 July 2013 - 05:38 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:42 PM

I think we need to really start thinking about why we are surrounding the planet with unnatural microwaves. Think about it.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 12 July 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

My certain knowledge shows that every time I follow the news another extreme weather event hits the headlines.

LOL, talk about self re-enforcing confirmation bias. Nowadays, every weather event is "extreme", and the media make it fit into their politically correct narrative.
How naive can you be.

Fact is, history is full of extreme weather events. It is only a couple of centuries ago that England was wine-producing area. And only a couple of thousand years ago that Europe was covered by an ice sheet. And none of this was caused by humans with SUVs.

Among all the politically correct fairy tales, this is one of the most ridiculous.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:53 PM

The earth is coming out of a glacial period. It has been much hotter in the past and for most of the time. Does arrogant mankind think that they can beat the powerful forces of nature? So far we can destroy 1,000,000 acres with one match but we can't create a single blade of grass. The Rocky Horror show summarised mankind perfectly, "And crawling on the planet's face, some insects called the human race, lost in time, lost in space, and in meaning.".  Basically the earth is already well on the way to overpopulation. Overpopulation by people living below the breadline who resort to anything and everything to survive. I work in the middle of Africa and every day of my life I am assaulted by ignorant, lazy and selfish people. Burning fields and burning their trash, because they are too poor or too lazy to clear them in a sustainable way. On the other side of the world, big industry whose only goal is profit pumps out zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Hundreds of millions of cars on theroads for whatever reason. I walk to work at least twice a week, what percentage of folk take alternative means of transport? Hats off to those who do. The earth has to accommodate more and more of people every second, until we reach the point where it will take only one more generation to reach a critical mass.

PS note that there are two issues, the part of global warming which we can't change, and the part which we can change.

Edited by 27vet, 12 July 2013 - 08:59 PM.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:39 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 12 July 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

I thought global warming HAS been reversed? Or why are the various climate groups scramble to explain that there has been no global warming for the last 10 years?

If the topic is "climate change", that is ludicrious. Climate has been changing since the planet has been in existance. If there is anything constant about the global climate, it is the fact that is changing. Always.

This whole "global warming" issue has turned into a gigantic scam, first to extract research grants and now to create new taxations and give even more power to activist governments.

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

That's about all the effor this post deserves.


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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:59 PM

View PostCalibeliever, on 12 July 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong.

That's about all the effor this post deserves.

Please say why he is wrong. (I'm not saying he is right, but your assertion warrants an explanation.).


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:22 AM

View Post27vet, on 12 July 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

The earth is coming out of a glacial period. It has been much hotter in the past and for most of the time. Does arrogant mankind think that they can beat the powerful forces of nature? So far we can destroy 1,000,000 acres with one match but we can't create a single blade of grass. The Rocky Horror show summarised mankind perfectly, "And crawling on the planet's face, some insects called the human race, lost in time, lost in space, and in meaning.".  Basically the earth is already well on the way to overpopulation. Overpopulation by people living below the breadline who resort to anything and everything to survive. I work in the middle of Africa and every day of my life I am assaulted by ignorant, lazy and selfish people. Burning fields and burning their trash, because they are too poor or too lazy to clear them in a sustainable way. On the other side of the world, big industry whose only goal is profit pumps out zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Hundreds of millions of cars on theroads for whatever reason. I walk to work at least twice a week, what percentage of folk take alternative means of transport? Hats off to those who do. The earth has to accommodate more and more of people every second, until we reach the point where it will take only one more generation to reach a critical mass.

PS note that there are two issues, the part of global warming which we can't change, and the part which we can change.
Overpopulation? Maybe maybe not. I just read that if we were to take the population density of newyork city and applied it to Texas we could fit every living human inside the state of Texas. Just saying that to express we have a long way to go for over population.

Edited by Aus Der Box Skeptisch, 13 July 2013 - 12:22 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:34 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 11 July 2013 - 10:42 PM, said:

Ok for now but will this "buried" CO2 pose a big problem for our future generations ?...and could it eventually leak into the Oceans causing all kinds of ecological problems.
Injection wells are prone to earthquakes.  The sites will have to be carefully chosen to avoid both known and unknown faults.  Fortunatel, Oklahoma and Texas with their "pancake geology" have some useful sites (and a few that are earthquake prone).
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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:52 AM

View Post27vet, on 12 July 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

Does arrogant mankind think that they can beat the powerful forces of nature?
Absolutely.  We can stop climatic cooling (and ice ages) cold with the output of one CFC plant.  It is ourselves we cannot control, hence, global warming/climate change.

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I work in the middle of Africa and every day of my life I am assaulted by ignorant, lazy and selfish people. Burning fields and burning their trash, because they are too poor or too lazy to clear them in a sustainable way. On the other side of the world, big industry whose only goal is profit pumps out zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. Hundreds of millions of cars on theroads for whatever reason.
Any proposal that aims to control global warming, but doesn't take the needs of people, especially the poor, into account will fail.  A starving man will cut the last redwood or fry the last spotted owl to feed his family for one more day.  The solution has to be a global solution.

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I walk to work at least twice a week, what percentage of folk take alternative means of transport? Hats off to those who do.
I live only 3/4 mile from my office, so I walk any time the weather looks good.  But most of America is not designed for walking.  There are no sidewalks on my street - pedestrians share the road with cars, trucks and bicycles.  There are no neighborhood stores within easy reach (< 1 mile), so every time I need something, I get in the car.  Better designs and proper zoning could make a difference, if we could get our Republican city council off dead center - but in fairness to them, after nearly fifty years of "deferred maintenance" so as not to raise taxes, there are more urgent needs to consider - like our broken water mains.

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The earth has to accommodate more and more of people every second, until we reach the point where it will take only one more generation to reach a critical mass.
Population growth is already slowing.  The US is currently below ZPG; though, this is probably just a temporary condition caused by the poor economy.  At the current rate we should reach ZPG late in this century at just under 10 billion.  The problem for resource managers is how to feed, clothe and house that many people without destroying our own life support system.  We have to hang on for another century.

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PS note that there are two issues, the part of global warming which we can't change, and the part which we can change.
Absolutely (again).  Fortunately, natural cycles are self-correcting if we don't destabilize them.  It's OUR contribution that's the problem.
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Edited by Doug1o29, 13 July 2013 - 01:54 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:10 AM

View PostAus Der Box Skeptisch, on 13 July 2013 - 12:22 AM, said:

Overpopulation? Maybe maybe not. I just read that if we were to take the population density of newyork city and applied it to Texas we could fit every living human inside the state of Texas. Just saying that to express we have a long way to go for over population.
So the people of New York are self sufficient in New York. That is the assumption you have to make to follow your logic. The footprint of a  New Yorker is global and covers 10's of acres of land.

Population density isn't a very useful figure unless applied to self sufficient rural communities.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:30 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 12 July 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

LOL, talk about self re-enforcing confirmation bias. Nowadays, every weather event is "extreme", and the media make it fit into their politically correct narrative.
How naive can you be.

Fact is, history is full of extreme weather events. It is only a couple of centuries ago that England was wine-producing area. And only a couple of thousand years ago that Europe was covered by an ice sheet. And none of this was caused by humans with SUVs.

Among all the politically correct fairy tales, this is one of the most ridiculous.

The insurance industry is the best barometer of recorded trends in extreme weather. There has definitely been an upward trend over the 20th century (after adjustments for inflation, effected population, etc);

http://www.cccep.ac....ured-losses.pdf

The same conclusion is given by the IPCC for areas where weather records are good - ie Europe and N.America.

This tracks the global upward trend in average surface temperature.

You must be a CT to believe that 97% of qualified climate scientists are making it all up - or are you a genius who can see their mistakes ?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 09:20 AM

View PostZaphod222, on 12 July 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

LOL, talk about self re-enforcing confirmation bias. Nowadays, every weather event is "extreme", and the media make it fit into their politically correct narrative.
How naive can you be.

Fact is, history is full of extreme weather events. It is only a couple of centuries ago that England was wine-producing area. And only a couple of thousand years ago that Europe was covered by an ice sheet. And none of this was caused by humans with SUVs.

Among all the politically correct fairy tales, this is one of the most ridiculous.

Statements based on ignorance or just laziness do nothing to support the veracity of your knowledge which you are claiming.:

"The period from the end of the First World War to shortly after the end of the Second World War may well be the only time in two millennia that vines to make wine on a substantial scale were not grown in England or Wales. Doubtless, during that time, there were some vines being grown on a garden scale by amateur growers, but for more than 25 years there was a total cessation of viticulture and winemaking on a commercial basis".

LINK:    http://www.english-wine.com/history.html

This really is why Climate Change deniers are held in low esteem for their efforts... because they either do not do the research to support their statements, or do not understand the Reasearch presented.

Edited by keithisco, 13 July 2013 - 09:32 AM.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:16 PM

We know that climate change happens over time, sometimes drastically, leading to ice ages and whatnot.  I don't know that there is much we are ever going to be able to do about that.

We also know that the abundance of CO2 and other anthropogenic gases in the atmosphere has been increasing steadily, enough to result, in a few decades, in world temperatures warm enough to have significant effects.  This is a combination of the actual measurement of the densities of these gases and abundant lab experiment showing what effects this would predict.

There are other possibilities.  Maybe the lab-measured effects will be offset by as-yet unknown correcting factors, or maybe not -- in fact, probably not.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:29 PM

Last years temps, and so far this year has shown we might be heading into an ice age.  Hat would be short hot summers and long cold winters.  Snow is not needed.  The biggest desert in the world is antartica, it is covered in snow because it doesn't melt.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:31 PM

You guys do know they mearsure co2 on top of a volcano in hawii

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