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[B Jenkins]

Anyways, even if Sakari succeeds in inviting evil spirits into his home and subsequently converted, what then?

So he has jumped ship but is he himself going to be able to verify, document, and prove his experiences to be true?

Or is he going to find himself all alone in his spiritual struggles with the only people to turn to are believers and a ministry?

But as I stated before, no one has succeeded in this before and why would Sakari be any different?

[Sakari]

Ambush Bug, on 12 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

Anyways, even if Sakari succeeds in inviting evil spirits into his home and subsequently converted, what then?

So he has jumped ship but is he himself going to be able to verify, document, and prove his experiences to be true?

Or is he going to find himself all alone in his spiritual struggles with the only people to turn to are believers and a ministry?

But as I stated before, no one has succeeded in this before and why would Sakari be any different?

Ambush,

I had all ready explained how I would document it, and who I would go to if I needed help.

I assure you, I would be asking for help here also,( or at the least, detailing the help I am getting ) and eating crow if it happened.

The discussions we have been having lately have been gone over to many times, and it is beating a dead horse.

I do not know who else has tried, nor do I care. I said I would, and will try myself.

I am asking you to drop it now, and let this sit, if any other suggestions come in, we can discuss that please.

Anything else, please feel free to discuss it in a PM with me, we have gone off track enough.....

I am in hopes this can stay civil, Saru all ready warned people about the discussion. ( not this last reply, but past and future ). I would hate to see this be closed because of one or two people, that would not be fair at all.


Thank You,

Rob ( Sakari )

[oneWITHself]

ignorance is a bliss eh!

Dearly hope with ur energy u dont attract so much negativity .... it would be one tremendous experience and a pain in the ars too !  u have some level of belief since u are in these forums lol becareful what u manifest

[Kazahel]

Sakari, on 12 November 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

Very true, I am not looking into astral travel, or dream state " demons " or " ghosts ". I believe we went over this, and  I had made a seperate thread for that exact thing.

Fishing is not the issue ( although more important then this ), my work and sleep are. You also know why, it had to do with staying up all night, or doing things at a designated time. That would mean missing work, etc.

All in all, above example is not something people claim as their experiences, or ways to " summon " as a majority.

I understand what you're after but I think speaking with angels for example during dreams is considered a more traditional method. Perhaps not so much now days though. I dont know much of the bible but I know they spoke with angels during dreams(or at least they thought they were).

I found this article just then from a quick google search which is kinda interesting.

http://www.dailymail...ied-angels.html

So I think many would create the angel experience from just expecting to see one(I tend to think this for obe too but I'm not sure yet)but its the infomation from the experience/angel that might mean the angel is actually a separate being. So its a matter of trying to get info you couldnt possible know(like future events for example)while speaking with them. I went lucid last night and while I was going obe(I was rolling) I thought about calling for one but the thought woke me up(and then the bloody neighbor did lol). So I'm going to try while obe because I know it works during lucid dreams.

Anyway I dont think I need to say anymore. If you get time, then try from dreamtime and experiment from there.

Edited by Kazahel, 13 November 2012 - 06:08 AM.

[braveone2u]

AshenPhoenix, on 22 October 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Have you thought that there might be things in your home that repell what you're trying to attract?  Such as perhaps sage, incense, crystals, windchimes, ect....

Hello thread,

I have some crystal and mineral spheres that apparently protect people from negativity and evil spells. Here are some photos:
















If you find them fascinating, PM me. Just sharing.

Peace.

[coldethyl]

Oh, I want some of those, just cuz they're pretty!

[JGirl]

coldethyl, on 27 November 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Oh, I want some of those, just cuz they're pretty!

i much prefer them in a natural state to polished the way they are though.

[JGirl]

Ambush Bug, on 12 November 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

But as I stated before, no one has succeeded in this before and why would Sakari be any different?

how do you know that no one has succeeded in this before?

[B Jenkins]

JGirl, on 28 November 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

how do you know that no one has succeeded in this before?

True, but for someone to succeed in providing indisputable evidence for the world forum tho?

[JGirl]

Ambush Bug, on 28 November 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

True, but for someone to succeed in providing indisputable evidence for the world forum tho?

the world forum? as much as i like this place, it is just a site on the internet. hardly a 'forum of reference for the world' lol
i think sakari is looking for answers just like anyone else. i don't think he has to automatically believe in what he's looking into in order to perform the things others tell him are sure to bring on demons.
i think he's been very open about it, and taken a lot of crap over it, but in the end is still willing to try anything within reason.
just because no one is recorded as having indisputable evidence doesn't mean that someone can't investigate it

[rashore]

Hey Sakari... Whilst wandering around, I came across a site and thought of you... It's instructions on how to make a cursed or charmed object... I know it's not really spirits, but you usually seem up to taking a whack at cursed stuff too

http://www.occultfor...hp?f=29&t=33689

[B Jenkins]

JGirl, on 29 November 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

the world forum? as much as i like this place, it is just a site on the internet. hardly a 'forum of reference for the world' lol
i think sakari is looking for answers just like anyone else. i don't think he has to automatically believe in what he's looking into in order to perform the things others tell him are sure to bring on demons.
i think he's been very open about it, and taken a lot of crap over it, but in the end is still willing to try anything within reason.
just because no one is recorded as having indisputable evidence doesn't mean that someone can't investigate it

When I said world forum I was talking not about a forum on the internet... I was speaking about international recognition and world reknown.

But yes, the spirit world is full of deceptions in order to (mis)lead people into falsehoods and lies. I truly believe Sakari is not achieving anything with this thread. Moot point.

Edited by Ambush Bug, 29 November 2012 - 08:12 PM.

[Sakari]

JGirl, on 29 November 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

the world forum? as much as i like this place, it is just a site on the internet. hardly a 'forum of reference for the world' lol
i think sakari is looking for answers just like anyone else. i don't think he has to automatically believe in what he's looking into in order to perform the things others tell him are sure to bring on demons.
i think he's been very open about it, and taken a lot of crap over it, but in the end is still willing to try anything within reason.
just because no one is recorded as having indisputable evidence doesn't mean that someone can't investigate it

rashore, on 29 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Hey Sakari... Whilst wandering around, I came across a site and thought of you... It's instructions on how to make a cursed or charmed object... I know it's not really spirits, but you usually seem up to taking a whack at cursed stuff too

http://www.occultfor...hp?f=29&t=33689

Thanks, I will take a look at it.

I think my salmon fishing pole is cursed, been the least productive year ever....

[Imaginarynumber1]

Ambush Bug, on 29 November 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

But yes, the spirit world is full of deceptions in order to (mis)lead people into falsehoods and lies.

Speculation. You should qualify that sentence with "I believe the spirit world...."

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I truly believe Sakari is not achieving anything with this thread. Moot point.

I think that he has achieved quite a bit with this thread. In over 120 pages and almost 2 years, not ONE person has been able to provide a way to conjure up an evil spirit or demon that works.

+1000 internests to you, Sakari.

Edited by Imaginarynumber1, 05 December 2012 - 04:54 AM.

[Kazahel]

Imaginarynumber1, on 05 December 2012 - 04:54 AM, said:

I think that he has achieved quite a bit with this thread. In over 120 pages and almost 2 years, not ONE person has been able to provide a way to conjure up an evil spirit or demon that works.

That's not entirely true. I've said a few times now that I believe this can be done while in dreaming states(lucid dreaming/astral travelling etc). And I have given a very simple technique on how. Simply use your voice to vibrate a name while in a lucid dream.

Here is a quick quote taken from wiki. http://en.wikipedia....ki/Astral_plane

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"It is the world of the planetary spheres, crossed by the soul in its astral body on the way to being born and after death, and generally said to be populated by angels, spirits or other immaterial beings  
*snip
According to occult teachings the astral plane can be visited consciously through astral projection, meditation and mantra, near death experience, lucid dreaming, or other means."

So imo if you wish to really communicate then its best to be in what is considered the right place.