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#31    Michelle

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

It's funny how this conversation has gone since not one American has argued that it was propaganda aimed at us.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 05:20 PM

View PostMichelle, on 28 July 2012 - 04:54 PM, said:

It's funny how this conversation has gone since not one American has argued that it was propaganda aimed at us.

The British don't need no propaganda, except for a few less than actively using their brain all are happy with it. Or as somebody posted above: most consider it one of the greater post-imperial achievements of the country.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:35 PM

View PostCoffey, on 28 July 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

Only 1 ring was "made" in the stadium. The rest came form otuside the stadium. across the wires etc.

Well that sounds cool, wish the cameras had included that. The illusion of the forging of the center ring was pretty darn grand, I bet watching the other rings float in from outside was fantastic. From the coverage I saw, they cut back to the rings when they were all there and just starting to float into formation.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:05 PM

View Postrashore, on 28 July 2012 - 06:35 PM, said:

Well that sounds cool, wish the cameras had included that. The illusion of the forging of the center ring was pretty darn grand, I bet watching the other rings float in from outside was fantastic. From the coverage I saw, they cut back to the rings when they were all there and just starting to float into formation.

That's strange on BBC 1 we seen that happening. Must have been different cameras for different broadcasters?

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

It's probably something to do with the One Ring to Rule them All. It's probably Illuminati symbolism again or something.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:14 PM

View PostCoffey, on 28 July 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

That's strange on BBC 1 we seen that happening. Must have been different cameras for different broadcasters?

Yeah, we don't get BBC or even BBC America with the cable provider we have now. Cool stations like that are part of the extra expensive package that we can't afford. We just had NBC on the local news channel. All the Olympic coverage with twice the commercial interruptions :) So it might be that BBC and NBC used different cameras. Or they could be using the same ones, and NBC just cuts differently than BBC does.
I'm willing to bet that within a few days a bunch of footage will be released on Youtube, and I can catch all the stuff I feel like I missed then. I think it would be worth it to watch a second time :)


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:17 PM

View Postrashore, on 28 July 2012 - 08:14 PM, said:

Yeah, we don't get BBC or even BBC America with the cable provider we have now. Cool stations like that are part of the extra expensive package that we can't afford. We just had NBC on the local news channel. All the Olympic coverage with twice the commercial interruptions :) So it might be that BBC and NBC used different cameras. Or they could be using the same ones, and NBC just cuts differently than BBC does.
I'm willing to bet that within a few days a bunch of footage will be released on Youtube, and I can catch all the stuff I feel like I missed then. I think it would be worth it to watch a second time :)

Ah I see. Yeah someone will porbably load the whole thing on youtube.

In the UK it's the BBC channels that make us have to have a TV license. So most people like me don't like the BBC. lol The adverts is good in cases like this, but normally the BBC channels just aren't worth it.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 11:46 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 28 July 2012 - 02:53 PM, said:

The issue is not about who pays but cost.

Private healthcare would cost far less than the NHS budget. Most of its budget is wasted on beaurcracy, high wages, tall management structures and fixed drug prices. By privatising the NHS this wastage is reduced.

At the moment National Insurance Contributions (NICs) fund the NHS. If a business gave each of its staff a private healthcare policy instead of having to pay NICs then this cost would be slashed. The government can cover the unemployed and those in receipt of benefits.

There is no justification for having the NHS. Its like the cogs are broken in the minds of those who support it. The NHS is not free they pay for it with NICs deductions. Those deductions are higher than the cost of private healthcare and this is true for those on minimum wage.

Now I must cease this. You've derailed me. Start a new thread if you want to discuss the NHS and I will join.
you know as well as i do that no private healthcare for the normal person could provide what the NHS does. private healthcare provides quick operations and fast dental care but costly conditions like diabeties and cancer control would either bankrupt people or allow them to die .you are a typical tory supporter no concience,empathy or shame.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:56 AM

Olympics is a racket! They cost the busted Greeks $13 billion in 2004 AND are now draining THE Depressionary UK. The O Games only enrich corporate money,  the junkies/sponsers.

Edited by acidhead, 29 July 2012 - 05:58 AM.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 09:23 AM

I don't give a toss how much the Olympic games cost to be honest.  They are needed to cheer up the majority, even in austere times such as these.  
Oh.........and to depress even further the people like acidhead above lol  :)
For a few weeks, every four years, we get something different on the news and the normal depressing stuff gets pushed to one side.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 10:53 AM

View Postsmurf0852, on 28 July 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

you know as well as i do that no private healthcare for the normal person could provide what the NHS does. private healthcare provides quick operations and fast dental care but costly conditions like diabeties and cancer control would either bankrupt people or allow them to die .you are a typical tory supporter no concience,empathy or shame.

Under the NHS someone of poor health becomes a financial burdon on the state but under private healthcare they quickly reach the point where they cant afford treatment.

The important thing to remember here is that every peice of Socialism needs to be paid for through taxes. Higher taxes which usually target the commercial sector drive up business costs making them less competitive. The result is lower exports and higher imports. The British GDP is artifically low because of the high taxes in the state which are needed to pay for all the socialism.

Do you like paying council tax? income tax? NICs? VAT on fuel? VAT? road tax?
Do businesses like paying employee NICs and high corporation taxes?
Do you like paying your share of keeping 500,000 in prison cells?
Do you like paying for the pointless education of millions who wont get to use their qualifications?

If all the socialism was stripped out and taxes decimated the UK would very quickly become the worlds leading economic superpower. We were 100 years ago before all the above bs was introduced.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 02:34 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Under the NHS someone of poor health becomes a financial burdon on the state but under private healthcare they quickly reach the point where they cant afford treatment.

The important thing to remember here is that every peice of Socialism needs to be paid for through taxes. Higher taxes which usually target the commercial sector drive up business costs making them less competitive. The result is lower exports and higher imports. The British GDP is artifically low because of the high taxes in the state which are needed to pay for all the socialism.

Do you like paying council tax? income tax? NICs? VAT on fuel? VAT? road tax?
Do businesses like paying employee NICs and high corporation taxes?
Do you like paying your share of keeping 500,000 in prison cells?
Do you like paying for the pointless education of millions who wont get to use their qualifications?

If all the socialism was stripped out and taxes decimated the UK would very quickly become the worlds leading economic superpower. We were 100 years ago before all the above bs was introduced.

There would then be an even bigger gap between the rich and the poor than there is now.
As for a health service,, yes, the rich could afford to have the luxury of a doctor or surgeon  when needed and the poor would simply die a painful death.  If this is the cost you have to pay to become a leading world power then you can keep it!
Just for the record I have always voted conservative but i dont agree with extreme right wing beliefs.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:23 PM

View PostEnglishgent, on 29 July 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

There would then be an even bigger gap between the rich and the poor than there is now.
As for a health service,, yes, the rich could afford to have the luxury of a doctor or surgeon  when needed and the poor would simply die a painful death.  If this is the cost you have to pay to become a leading world power then you can keep it!
Just for the record I have always voted conservative but i dont agree with extreme right wing beliefs.

The irony is that as the economy expanded, unemployment would drop and then wages would rise.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:58 PM

View PostMr Right Wing, on 29 July 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

The irony is that as the economy expanded, unemployment would drop and then wages would rise.

Neo-liberal economics, as you are advocating, have always produced greater wealth disparity and growth of an underclass. Wealth disparity and economic hardship have grown in both the UK and the USA as a result of pursuing this economic model since the Thatcher and Regan era (the old whore nation raper).

You may have fallen for their extremist propaganda - but don't expect to convince any rational person you talk to.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 29 July 2012 - 04:59 PM.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:31 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 29 July 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Neo-liberal economics, as you are advocating, have always produced greater wealth disparity and growth of an underclass. Wealth disparity and economic hardship have grown in both the UK and the USA as a result of pursuing this economic model since the Thatcher and Regan era (the old whore nation raper).

You may have fallen for their extremist propaganda - but don't expect to convince any rational person you talk to.

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Another lefty comes out of the woodwork!

The Labour Party were a disaster when it came to managing the economy. They were so bad they hid it by allowing 500,000 immigrants into the country every year to create the illusion of growth instead of shrinkage.

No doubt that is their plan for solving the economic problems too at the next election. How many will it be this time?

Edited by Mr Right Wing, 29 July 2012 - 05:46 PM.





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