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#46    NatureBoff

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:09 AM

Here's another case which was seen to bank sharply before a fatal crash, just like in the OP.
Flying school releases statement on fatal plane crash

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A witness at the scene, Steven Bilson, said he saw the plane go down as he was driving past the airstrip.

Mr Bilson said he saw the plane bank sharply and lose altitude before it slammed into the ground in a 'big fire ball'.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:33 AM

Here's yet another identical crash:

Miamian Dies In Light Plane Crash At Boca

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Davie said the plane climbed about 200 feet in the air before going into a sharp left bank, wing and nose tilted at the ground.

``Once I heard his engine sputter and then dip, I knew he never was going to come out of it,`` Davie said.

He said he watched as the plane slammed into the ground and burst into flames that jumped 20 feet high


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:09 AM

This account sounds suspicious:

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21 Dec 2008; N18611, 737-500, 27324/2621, FF 31 May 94, Continental; Denver, USA:

The aircraft started to swung to the left at approx 90kts on its take-off roll. The crew aborted the take-off and the aircraft reached 119kts before departing the left side of the runway where it caught fire. No fatalities.

Early information from the NTSB states that that a combination of crosswind, handling and possibly a broken steering cable could have been factors. The surface wind was 290 degrees at 24kt with gusts to 32kt created a strong left crosswind during the takeoff roll. The Captain (PF) has stated that “However at about 90 knots (prior to the monitoring pilot’s 100kt call out), I felt the rear end of the aircraft slip out hard to the right and the wheels lose traction, it had felt like a slick patch of runway, or a strong gust of wind, or a combination of both, had pushed the tail hard to the right. The aircraft tracked left and I countered with right rudder to full right. This was ineffectual.”


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:23 AM

What is this thread about? Aircraft, regrettably, sometimes crash as flying is inherently dangerous. While the cause of a crash may be one of many things, such as ice in carburettor leading to engine failure, the result is often the same: loss of lift, resulting in the aircraft dropping off to one side or the other. What is supposed to be mysterious about this, it is very well known and documented?


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:17 AM

View Postalibongo, on 19 July 2013 - 07:23 AM, said:

What is this thread about? Aircraft, regrettably, sometimes crash as flying is inherently dangerous. While the cause of a crash may be one of many things, such as ice in carburettor leading to engine failure, the result is often the same: loss of lift, resulting in the aircraft dropping off to one side or the other. What is supposed to be mysterious about this, it is very well known and documented?
There's some aircraft accidents that have a bizarre twist to them. The eyewitnesses and pilots both describe an inexplicable sharp pull to the left and loss of altitude. The latest 777 crash at SFO is a similar mystery that had an inexplicable lateral deviation and loss of altitude on it's approach. It's undeniable.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:00 AM

View PostNatureBoff, on 19 July 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

There's some aircraft accidents that have a bizarre twist to them. The eyewitnesses and pilots both describe an inexplicable sharp pull to the left and loss of altitude. The latest 777 crash at SFO is a similar mystery that had an inexplicable lateral deviation and loss of altitude on it's approach. It's undeniable.
No it was way too low because the pilots wern't really trained enough to fly a 777 and I believe it was the trainers first time to SFO.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 12:31 PM

The NTSB have announced an inexplicable 'lateral deviation' around 8 secs before the crash.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

View PostNatureBoff, on 19 July 2013 - 12:31 PM, said:

The NTSB have announced an inexplicable 'lateral deviation' around 8 secs before the crash.
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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:12 PM

Pilots' Group Wants Less Transparency on the Boeing 777 Crash

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The instructor pilot, who was on his first flight as a mentor, gave a timeline that seems to fit with the one established by the agency, based on flight recorder data. The pilot said that they were "slightly high" at 4,000 feet, to the best of his knowledge. At about 500 feet, he realized they were low for the landing, at which point he told the pilot to pull back. They set their speed at 137 knots, which he assumed they were maintaining (from what the NTSB has said before, they were not. The plane was about 30 knots too slow). At this point, it's not clear from the NTSB why the plane was flying that slowly. At 500-200 feet, the plane had an unspecified "lateral deviation," and were trying to correct it. At 200 feet, the pilot noticed their speed. That's when he asked for a go-around.  


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:05 PM

Proof that pilots make mistakes, often a mistake that a previous pilot has made.

I don't know what your pet theory is, but if it involves infallible pilots that never make mistakes, just read about the crash of Air France 447 which involved three experienced pilots ignoring a stall warning for three minutes and plummeting their A330 35,000 feet into the ocean without any of them having damn clue what was happening the entire time.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:08 PM

View Postscowl, on 19 July 2013 - 04:05 PM, said:

Proof that pilots make mistakes, often a mistake that a previous pilot has made.

I don't know what your pet theory is, but if it involves infallible pilots that never make mistakes, just read about the crash of Air France 447 which involved three experienced pilots ignoring a stall warning for three minutes and plummeting their A330 35,000 feet into the ocean without any of them having damn clue what was happening the entire time.
Oh dear...

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:46 PM

View PostNatureBoff, on 19 July 2013 - 08:17 AM, said:

There's some aircraft accidents that have a bizarre twist to them. The eyewitnesses and pilots both describe an inexplicable sharp pull to the left and loss of altitude. The latest 777 crash at SFO is a similar mystery that had an inexplicable lateral deviation and loss of altitude on it's approach. It's undeniable.
You are mistaken. Aircraft accidents, when they occur, are investigated minutely and at great, almost limitless expense. For obvious reasons. Any "bizarre twist" would have been long exposed.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:32 PM

So do you think this is related to CMEs did I read that correctly? During a geomagnetic storm the earths magnetic sheild is quivering, but I don't see why it would have a left effect. Even if it were a coriolis type thing the planes would all have to be traveling the with the  same orientation relative the the turn of the earth.

Mabey pilots presumably predominantly right handed react in a certain way or error in a certain way that causes a rare but typical sort of arodynamic malfunction.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 03:29 AM

View Postalibongo, on 19 July 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

Aircraft accidents, when they occur, are investigated minutely and at great, almost limitless expense. For obvious reasons. Any "bizarre twist" would have been long exposed.
No, no "For obvious reasons any "bizarre twist" would have been long exposed" makes it sound like the NTSB know everything there is to know about physics and our complex planetary system. This far from the case. The science community in general doesn't have a complete and coherent TOE (Theory of Everything).

Edited by NatureBoff, 20 July 2013 - 03:29 AM.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 03:45 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 19 July 2013 - 05:32 PM, said:

So do you think this is related to CMEs did I read that correctly? During a geomagnetic storm the earths magnetic sheild is quivering, but I don't see why it would have a left effect. Even if it were a coriolis type thing the planes would all have to be traveling the with the  same orientation relative the the turn of the earth.

Mabey pilots presumably predominantly right handed react in a certain way or error in a certain way that causes a rare but typical sort of arodynamic malfunction.
I wish to congratulate you on a good attempt at understanding the new-physics concepts I'm proposing. The 'left spinning idea' isn't to do with the Coriolis effect but with particle physics. Exactly how the CME affects aircraft performance still needs to be worked out in detail. I have the notion that it's the energizing of neutron-rich material near the center of the Earth (fluid dark matter) which then increases the number and intensity of 'left-handed spinning gravitons' which then has a detrimental affect on alkali (right-handed spinning) material.

The basic concept to understand is analogous to wood screws for instance. A regular screw which you might use to do some DIY woodwork is normally a right-handed thread. This is the physical non-spinning look of the screw. You turn the screwdriver right, clockwise, to turn the screw so that it enters the drilled hole and fixes the bracket in place (for example).

But there is also left-handed thread screws available. This is the mirror image of the right-handed thread screws that we are familiar with. If you wanted to fix a bracket with this screw, you would have to turn it to the left, anti-clockwise.

Here is the basic recipe for particle physics imv. Two type of thread particles that each can either turn clockwise or anti-clockwise.

This simple formula can then account for alkali-acid solutions and positive-negative charges on particles. It's then just a combination of these interactions which gives weak or strong bonds within the nucleus. Protons are right-handed and neutrons left-handed.

Hopefully one day this will all be computer simulated so that the mind doesn't have to boggle so much trying to think about it all. It's much simpler than it sounds.

[It's worth remembering that it doesn't have to be the CME itself which has the detrimental effect, but the original event within the Sun emitting currently undetectable left-handed particles towards Earth]

Edited by NatureBoff, 20 July 2013 - 03:51 AM.

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