Planet X debate 2008

[UM-Bot]

Planet X debate 2008


Click here to watch video - 21:33s

Jason Martell and Doctor Tom VanFlandern discuss Planet X, Mars, NASA, and more.

[insanemind]

Planet X debate 2008

Click here to watch video - 21:33s

Jason Martell and Dr. Tom VanFlandern discuss Planet X, Mars, NASA, and more.

What a bad video half of it is a guy talking about all the speakers and such event then when they finally get to the planet x it cuts off before the guys even done. Any way according to that theory planet x orbit comes really close to the sun then goes way out past pluto. So what is controling its orbit why is what ever controls its orbit doesnt effect pluto or any of the planets out that way? It seems like alot of luck that in that huge orbital pattern it has never slammed into any planet.

[bee]

What a bad video half of it is a guy talking about all the speakers and such event then when they finally get to the planet x it cuts off before the guys even done.

That was just the first part...mainly the intro...there's lots more.

I'll be watching the rest tonight.

You can link to the other parts on youtube....or maybe 'UM bot' might put the

rest here?

[insanemind]

That was just the first part...mainly the intro...there's lots more.

I'll be watching the rest tonight.

You can link to the other parts on youtube....or maybe 'UM bot' might put the

rest here?

Oh I thought who ever made the film lost there camera because of what the guy said about video recorders LOL. Well you tell me if he explains my questions and then maybe Ill take the time to watch it all. Last I heard planet x doesnt exist and that was a fact.

Edited August 26, 2008 by insanemind

[danielost]

What a bad video half of it is a guy talking about all the speakers and such event then when they finally get to the planet x it cuts off before the guys even done. Any way according to that theory planet x orbit comes really close to the sun then goes way out past pluto. So what is controling its orbit why is what ever controls its orbit doesnt effect pluto or any of the planets out that way? It seems like alot of luck that in that huge orbital pattern it has never slammed into any planet.

I would assume that all of the planetary orbits are set even with this planet x's weird orbit. As for evidence about planets with these weird orbits look at most of the external planets we have found they all or most of them have weird planets. or just look at most of the so called dwarf planets in our system.

[Mbyte]

What a bad video half of it is a guy talking about all the speakers and such event then when they finally get to the planet x it cuts off before the guys even done. Any way according to that theory planet x orbit comes really close to the sun then goes way out past pluto. So what is controling its orbit why is what ever controls its orbit doesnt effect pluto or any of the planets out that way? It seems like alot of luck that in that huge orbital pattern it has never slammed into any planet.

Some satellites have these types of orbits around earth. Not all orbits have to be perfectly circular. Comets have have these types of oprbits aswell. You don't realise how small we are and how big the solar system is. A planet with such an orbit would hava tough time hiting another planet.

[insanemind]

Some satellites have these types of orbits around earth. Not all orbits have to be perfectly circular. Comets have have these types of oprbits aswell. You don't realise how small we are and how big the solar system is. A planet with such an orbit would hava tough time hiting another planet.

Ok but something is effecting its orbit. All the planets orbit the sun in this galaxy, but from the pic of the orbit that guy shows this planet swings real close to the sun then swings way out past pluto. What makes it come back what is it orbiting. Im not questioning the shape of its orbit but what its orbiting.

[Burning Love]

Ok but something is effecting its orbit. All the planets orbit the sun in this galaxy, but from the pic of the orbit that guy shows this planet swings real close to the sun then swings way out past pluto. What makes it come back what is it orbiting. Im not questioning the shape of its orbit but what its orbiting.

Planets around the sun are in this solar system. The galaxy is comprised of hundreds of billions of stars, planets, gas and dust.

Also, Planet X doesn't exist.

[insanemind]

Planets around the sun are in this solar system. The galaxy is comprised of hundreds of billions of stars, planets, gas and dust.

Also, Planet X doesn't exist.

Sorry thats what I meant. Just Galaxy popped into my head, but your right solar system not galaxy my mistake.

Did you even watch the video, I'm not the one that said it exist. I was just questioning things i seen in the video, I know it doesn't exist.

[Picturesque Orion]

I certainly hope 2009;2010;2011 come fast. For these three years, are gonna be my personal nightmare, can't even imagine november-december 2011, or even worse, mid 2012.

Planet X just cannot exist, I've explained it 'thousands' of times on the science forums, and I will not do so again. My god, please listen to those who know what they're talking about, or first, learn how to recognize them.

[Burning Love]

I'd imagine UM will be at its most popular in mid-late 2012. Oh well.

[danielost]

I'd imagine UM will be at its most popular in mid-late 2012. Oh well.

or 2013

[Burning Love]

or 2013

No, cause in 2013 half the forum leaves following 2012 hysteria...

[insanemind]

I certainly hope 2009;2010;2011 come fast. For these three years, are gonna be my personal nightmare, can't even imagine november-december 2011, or even worse, mid 2012.

Planet X just cannot exist, I've explained it 'thousands' of times on the science forums, and I will not do so again. My god, please listen to those who know what they're talking about, or first, learn how to recognize them.

I know it doesnt exist, I dont think anybody here is saying it does other then the guy in the video. Im asking hypothetically if it did exist then what would control its such bizaree orbit? The answer is nothing cause it doesnt exist. Since you seem so knowledgeable let me ask you. Could something swing around the sun and then say travel a great distance and swing around something else( i think they called it a dwarf star) and maintian such an orbit? Im not asking if some stupid planet exist, im asking if the bolded question is even possable. So take your head out of your *** and answer the question.

[danielost]

I know it doesnt exist, I dont think anybody here is saying it does other then the guy in the video. Im asking hypothetically if it did exist then what would control its such bizaree orbit? The answer is nothing cause it doesnt exist. Since you seem so knowledgeable let me ask you. Could something swing around the sun and then say travel a great distance and swing around something else( i think they called it a dwarf star) and maintian such an orbit? Im not asking if some stupid planet exist, im asking if the bolded question is even possable. So take your head out of your *** and answer the question.

Orbits don't require that you swing around two things. Only the center of gravity. Some of the extra-solar planets do the same type of huge swings.

Although in this system anything with that huge swing is usually a comet. So if this is a planetary sized comet it wouldn't need to have the mass.

[insanemind]

Orbits don't require that you swing around two things. Only the center of gravity. Some of the extra-solar planets do the same type of huge swings.

Although in this system anything with that huge swing is usually a comet. So if this is a planetary sized comet it wouldn't need to have the mass.

Alright Ill try this one more time. Say a asteroid came flying through our solar system and came into the suns gravitational pull (assuming it didn't burn up from the heat) could it orbit the sun half way around and then pull away from the sun's gravitational pull? If this is possible then could said asteroid do the same thing with another large star and slingshot back and forth between said 2 large stars. Again this is theoretically I know I'm not taking alot of things into effect like other gravitational pulls in the solar system.

[danielost]

Alright Ill try this one more time. Say a asteroid came flying through our solar system and came into the suns gravitational pull (assuming it didn't burn up from the heat) could it orbit the sun half way around and then pull away from the sun's gravitational pull? If this is possible then could said asteroid do the same thing with another large star and slingshot back and forth between said 2 large stars. Again this is theoretically I know I'm not taking alot of things into effect like other gravitational pulls in the solar system.

maybe if the two stars were close enough and they would probable have to be binary system. But the asteroid would only look like it was orbiting both it would actually be orbiting the more massive star. I am not a professional but that is what I think.

[danielost]

I have rethought this question.

If the two stars are moving at the same speed in the same direction and keeping the same distance from each other then it might be possible for them to share said astroid. But the astroid would have to follow the same trajectory out that it came in on, not be affected by jupiter or saturn everytime. There would be almost no chance of complex life on it. Because said life would have to take a 1000 year nap minus the time it spent in close enough to the sun to warm up for the life to function. It would still take it several years for it to orbit the sun once it was back in our system, I think.

It does seem like all of the mass extinctions on this planet follow a set time period. But it is a lot longer than a 1000 years.

But as I said I am just a ged type person so I could and probable am very wrong here.

The other star would have to be a brown or black dwarf since we can't see it.

[insanemind]

I have rethought this question.

If the two stars are moving at the same speed in the same direction and keeping the same distance from each other then it might be possible for them to share said astroid. But the astroid would have to follow the same trajectory out that it came in on, not be affected by jupiter or saturn everytime. There would be almost no chance of complex life on it. Because said life would have to take a 1000 year nap minus the time it spent in close enough to the sun to warm up for the life to function. It would still take it several years for it to orbit the sun once it was back in our system, I think.

It does seem like all of the mass extinctions on this planet follow a set time period. But it is a lot longer than a 1000 years.

But as I said I am just a ged type person so I could and probable am very wrong here.

The other star would have to be a brown or black dwarf since we can't see it.

I would agree any life on said asteroid would have to have such a high toleration to heat and cold. Now what you said in the quote could be possible in another solar system. Id also like to thank you for thinking about the question and not giving the lame response of planet x cant exist.

Edited August 29, 2008 by insanemind

[danielost]

I would agree any life on said asteroid would have to have such a high toleration to heat and cold. Now what you said in the quote could be possible in another solar system. Id also like to thank you for thinking about the question and not giving the lame response of planet x cant exist.

Babylon said it exists. Their the ones who give it the 1000 year orbit cycle.

Edited August 29, 2008 by danielost

[S2F]

to my knowledge stars aren't stationary, their distance and relation to each other is always changing. If you take that into account, then an object wouldn't be able to share it's orbit with two stars. I suppose it's possible for it to have a massive orbit like a comet, but if it was the size of a planet then I would think it would have a substantial effect on the rest of the planets as it passed through our solar system. I don't know much about planetary physics though hehe

[danielost]

to my knowledge stars aren't stationary, their distance and relation to each other is always changing. If you take that into account, then an object wouldn't be able to share it's orbit with two stars. I suppose it's possible for it to have a massive orbit like a comet, but if it was the size of a planet then I would think it would have a substantial effect on the rest of the planets as it passed through our solar system. I don't know much about planetary physics though hehe

this is why I said they would have to be binary.

[S2F]

ah, I see that you meant binary as a single sun powering the orbit, ok then disregard my post hehe

[S2F]

Also, I'm not sure that the sun has enough gravitational pull to let something the size of a planet have that much of an orbit. As the planet travels farther away the pull from the sun is less and less, I would think something with enough mass would simply break orbit and keep going.

[danielost]

I don't think Sol system is binary otherwise voyager wouldn't be entering interstellar space yet.