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[Capt Amerika]

Euphorbia, on 14 November 2012 - 01:41 AM, said:

If we allowed Texas to secede, what would stop every other state from doing the same if they so wished?

I live in California and we have the eighth largest economy in the world. If we, Texas, and a small handful of the other more productive states seceded, what would happen to the US? What would it be like for a less productive state like North Dakota?

All I have to say is that many states depend on food and other necessities from the other states. Would these less productive states be able to survive?

It'll never happen.......

Less productive state like North Dakota?
You may want to re evaluate that one.
North Dakota is one of only two states not running in the red.
California is bankrupt (financially and morally)
North Dakota is currently producing oil hand over fist and has more jobs than people to fill them.
Go ahead and gather up the 8 larger states and figure out how to keep paying the illegal immigrants welfare benefits.
We in North Dakota are fine and wont object.

[Capt Amerika]

me-wonders, on 15 November 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

I wonder if those who signed to separate from the US figured out what that would do to their Social Security and Medicare?

Most are smart enough to know that the boomers are going to suck that program completely dry before they are old enough to see one dime of the tens of thousands they contributed.
Even the SSN website admits it will be bankrupt in the not so distant future, yet privatization is bad... and leaving it in failure mode IS the answer???

Got to love the Govt thought process.

[Capt Amerika]

questionmark, on 14 November 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Strangely we see that Obama did not get 47%, which according to you are on government benefits (which is not really true, a study has shown that more than 90% of Americans get a government benefit of some sort and that 1% of those don't want to contribute to them supported by 40% who are also taking from the pork barrel) he got almost 8% more than Romney, or somewhere around 53%. Which happens to be a clear majority.

Now, you can accept that the majority wants something different than you or you can retire into the sulking corner.

Strangely you assume that every single American actually voted.
Secondly, i said 47% DONT PAY TAXES....  THere is a difference between taxes and welfare.
YOUR problem as always in these posts is that rather than listening and understanding what a person is saying, you jump straight to the defensive posture and talk out your rear.
The majority of people DID vote for Obama, duh!
The Majority of people OBVIOUSLY want something different than i do.  double duh!
The problem is, WHAT do they want?
I have not seen a single person come out and say they voted for Obama because of his aggressive anti spending platform, or his deficit reduction plans. (These would be what I want)
I have seen people flat out say they voted for Obama on hopes of getting Gay Marriage bills passed, His flexibility on Illegal Immigration, His Obamacare package.  The majority voted for Obama on the premise that he GIVE them something.
So much for JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you speech".

And guess what?  This is America.  I do actually have the RIGHT to speak about how i feel in terms of the way my country is being run.
If you are truly in Greece, you of all people should fully understand what happens when a group of people is cared for to the point that hte govt can no longer support its people.
I could sulk quietly in the corner, but then i wouldnt have the right to say I told you so when America turns into Greece.

[questionmark]

Capt Amerika, on 19 November 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

Strangely you assume that every single American actually voted.
Secondly, i said 47% DONT PAY TAXES....  THere is a difference between taxes and welfare.
YOUR problem as always in these posts is that rather than listening and understanding what a person is saying, you jump straight to the defensive posture and talk out your rear.
The majority of people DID vote for Obama, duh!
The Majority of people OBVIOUSLY want something different than i do.  double duh!
The problem is, WHAT do they want?
I have not seen a single person come out and say they voted for Obama because of his aggressive anti spending platform, or his deficit reduction plans. (These would be what I want)
I have seen people flat out say they voted for Obama on hopes of getting Gay Marriage bills passed, His flexibility on Illegal Immigration, His Obamacare package.  The majority voted for Obama on the premise that he GIVE them something.
So much for JFK's "Ask not what your country can do for you speech".

And guess what?  This is America.  I do actually have the RIGHT to speak about how i feel in terms of the way my country is being run.
If you are truly in Greece, you of all people should fully understand what happens when a group of people is cared for to the point that hte govt can no longer support its people.
I could sulk quietly in the corner, but then i wouldnt have the right to say I told you so when America turns into Greece.

Because I am in Greece I understand fully what happens to a country where the rich refuse to pay taxes.

[joc]

questionmark, on 19 November 2012 - 03:28 PM, said:

Because I am in Greece I understand fully what happens to a country where the rich refuse to pay taxes.

The Rich in America pay the majority of taxes.

[wolfknight]

I think we tried once before and failed. I hope that history does repeat itself.

[questionmark]

joc, on 19 November 2012 - 03:50 PM, said:

The Rich in America pay the majority of taxes.

They earn about 65% of all income and pay 40% of the taxes, we know, we know.

[joc]

questionmark, on 19 November 2012 - 04:05 PM, said:

They earn about 65% of all income and pay 40% of the taxes, we know, we know.

...as if there should be some kind of a ratio between what one earns and what one pays in taxes...we know too...

[questionmark]

joc, on 19 November 2012 - 04:09 PM, said:

...as if there should be some kind of a ratio between what one earns and what one pays in taxes...we know too...

There always has been one, from biblical times on. But keep on believing in the asocial and greed brainwash they gave you.

[joc]

questionmark, on 19 November 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

There always has been one, from biblical times on. But keep on believing in the asocial and greed brainwash they gave you.

Okay I will...thanks!

[WoIverine]

Capt Amerika, on 19 November 2012 - 02:28 PM, said:

California is bankrupt (financially and morally)

lol, damn right.

[Sherapy]

aztek, on 14 November 2012 - 10:37 PM, said:

you didn't show anything exsept your antiamerican stance and lies.

He is not Anti- American, or a liar!  He is disagreeing and supporting his argument with his reasons why. Your counter is an attack on his character, as opposed to addressing the parts of his argument that you disagree with.

What is it that you disagree with and why?

Edited by Sherapy, 20 November 2012 - 01:34 AM.

[joc]

Sherapy, on 20 November 2012 - 01:32 AM, said:

He is not Anti- American, or a liar!  He is disagreeing and supporting his argument with his reasons why. Your counter is an attack on his character, as opposed to addressing the parts of his argument that you disagree with.

What is it that you disagree with and why?

I second that.  Just because someone has a liberal perspective and a belief system that is...uh...different (    )...doesn't make one anti-American...and...Questionmark does present arguments that are based in truth...possibly from a parallel universe...but nonetheless he is not a liar...and name calling like that is just so...well...apart from being against the forum rules...it's just kind of vulgar...now...if I call Obama an out and out liar...which I believe he is...that is kind of different...but when you are calling a classmate, or teammate, or fellow forum member names like that...tsk, tsk...

[Gromdor]

I've been thinking about the results if the United States broke down into seperate countries and a lot of interesting scenarios popped into my mind.

California and the other coastal states could make a ton of money by charging a tariff on all goods shipped by the landlocked states.
There actually might be wars fought in the southwest over control of water supplies.
Government would actually grow in each state as they added border guards to stop bootlegging/smuggling, a military, and replaced some services that are done strictly by the federal government now (Ambassadors, etc.).
Some states might not opt for a democracy or republic.  We might have a theocracy or two and maybe even a corporate owned state.
Some states might decide to further break up and parts might want to join other states.


And of course this is ignoring the logistics of it all. Defaulting on the national debt.  Cancelling social security, welfare, etc.

[joc]

Gromdor, on 20 November 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

I've been thinking about the results if the United States broke down into seperate countries and a lot of interesting scenarios popped into my mind.

California and the other coastal states could make a ton of money by charging a tariff on all goods shipped by the landlocked states.
There actually might be wars fought in the southwest over control of water supplies.
Government would actually grow in each state as they added border guards to stop bootlegging/smuggling, a military, and replaced some services that are done strictly by the federal government now (Ambassadors, etc.).
Some states might not opt for a democracy or republic.  We might have a theocracy or two and maybe even a corporate owned state.
Some states might decide to further break up and parts might want to join other states.


And of course this is ignoring the logistics of it all. Defaulting on the national debt.  Cancelling social security, welfare, etc.

I think your premise is flawed big time.  The United States of Texas already has open water ways.  We wouldn't be paying California for jack...California would have to pay us a tariff to ship their goods through the Gulf of Texas.   And we would then just ship them to the States in our Union via trucks.  Yah!  I like it!