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#46    GoldenRabbit

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:48 PM

This video's 45 years old and it just keeps getting rehatched over and over again.
The Bigfoot in the video has probably died of old age by now.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:56 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 21 October 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

If it makes you guys feel better, I'm not a non-believer, I'm open to the possibility but that is based on the experiences of two people that I knew and know well and trust. I've been fooled enough in the past to maintain a very skeptical eye now, videos can be faked very easily, so can footprints and that doesn't include the number of times people have misidentified bear tracks or I should say double bear tracks for Bigfoot prints.

If I had the resources I'd love nothing more than to mount up a real expedition a couple times a year and spend some real time in an area that was active with sightings. I think it's not possible to simply pop in for a day or two and do a thorough, it just isn't possible. You have to really spend at least a couple weeks to possibly a month to really do a good job. Unfortunately, that requires a big old pile of money and unless I hit the lottery then I don't see it happening. However, I will take my vacations in areas where there have been sightings and who knows, I might get lucky......or not, but I'll be doing what i love anyway and that's spending time out in nature. So, it's all good.
I just think its really stupid to write something off as not existing, absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:58 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 21 October 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I just think its really stupid to write something off as not existing, absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence

Everytime I read a post in which someone has used this quaint little line, my brain throws up on itself.

Edited by orangepeaceful79, 21 October 2012 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:23 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 21 October 2012 - 09:29 AM, said:

type in google bbc bigfoot documentary

Was it X-Creatures? Cause they attempt to debunk it, but no where do Gimlin nor Patterson say it's a hoax. I'm just trying to find where one of the 2 of them had admitted it was a hoax.
In X-Creatures, they play an edited part of an interview where Gimlin was asked if it could have been a hoax that he didn't  know about and he said that it is possible, because anything is. But they didn't play the rest of the interview. Just the part where he says it could have been a hoax and used that to say that Gimlin admitted it was a hoax.


Edit: For clarification, I am not saying that it is not a hoax, just that neither Patterson nor Gimlin ever said it was.

Edited by Imaginarynumber1, 21 October 2012 - 09:25 PM.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:26 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 21 October 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I just think its really stupid to write something off as not existing, absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence

So you are saying that  fairies and unicorns and the Irish and bigfoot and werewolves are all real because we have no proof of them having ever existed?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:29 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 21 October 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

So you are saying that  fairies and unicorns and the Irish and bigfoot and werewolves are all real because we have no proof of them having ever existed?
You poor deluded fool, the Irish don't exist!!!

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:31 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 21 October 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

You poor deluded fool, the Irish don't exist!!!

Of course not! All we have are a few blurry videos and suddenly there's an island of "Irish people"? Yeah, sure... :rolleyes:

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:36 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 21 October 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Of course not! All we have are a few blurry videos and suddenly there's an island of "Irish people"? Yeah, sure... :rolleyes:
And they call the Island they come from "Island" or "Ireland" or whatever idiot spelling they use... ohh please. Someone needs lessons in creativity.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:47 PM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 21 October 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

And they call the Island they come from "Island" or "Ireland" or whatever idiot spelling they use... ohh please. Someone needs lessons in creativity.

Most ridiculous crap I've ever heard in my life.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 11:46 PM

View Postkeninsc, on 21 October 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

Roger Patterson died shortly after the film was released in 1972 and it's mostly been Bob Gimlin who's been the main proponent. As I understand it Patterson was in favor of shooting the critter if they encountered it and supposedly Gimlin talked him out of it. What I saw made a good case for Patterson being duped by the two men, however......and this is a big however.......they ran out of film and had to reload. On the second can of film are the foot prints and they show a horse with rider walking beside them and you can clearly see the horse and rider don't make as deep an impression as the alleged Bigfoot. Patterson had a solid reputation and supposedly Gimlin had a bit of a shady past......how shady I don't know for sure.
That all sounds right to me. It the extra deep footprints that is part of why I think it a hoax.

I think the person riding in that 2nd film has been shown to be Bob Heironomous, the guy who supposedly wore the suit.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:34 AM

On the DNA front things aren't looking so good either:

Breaking: Melba Ketchum's DNA Diagnostics Building Is Shut Down! WTF!

In a strange turn of events, once again, the Admins from Team Tazer Bigfoot fan page, Lupe Mendoza, reported that while driving back from the Cryptopoolza his group decided to make a stop by the location of Melba Ketchum’s business, DNA Diagnostics, located at the address 569 Bear Drive, Timpson, Texas, 75975-4072. It turns out when they arrived, the building was closed down and had a for sale sign posted on the front of the building. This is very mysterious since the last word we heard from the Ketchum fiasco, oops… I mean "camp" stated that the DNA would be out soon and basically everyone that offered up a can of "hateraid" to her DNA study will soon be eating crow.

Also, interesting enough, the phone number listed 936-254-2228 for her lab is now disconnected. This just adds to the ongoing mystery surrounding her DNA study...

Read more: http://www.bigfootev...ostics.html?m=1

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 21 October 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

I just think its really stupid to write something off as not existing, absence of evidence is not evidence of abscence

My dear fellow, first and foremost, you need to read for comprehension. I clearly said I'm open to the possibility in the very first few words of the very first sentence I wrote. The problem isn't my own belief but rather the lack of any real, hard, scientifically verifiable evidence that I can hang that belief upon. If you don't have evidence enough to prove I committed a murder then guess what? Odds are you'll never convict me of murder. The same is true of Bigfoot, my own openness is based on the account of two men I know and knew very well and their actual encounters.

Now if you wish to believe without anything to back up that belief then by all means do so, you ain't gonna hurt my feelings. However, don't jump on me and tell me what I've written is "stupid" when it's painfully obvious you lack the ability to understand what I have written.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:03 PM

View PostNight Walker, on 22 October 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

On the DNA front things aren't looking so good either:

Breaking: Melba Ketchum's DNA Diagnostics Building Is Shut Down! WTF!

In a strange turn of events, once again, the Admins from Team Tazer Bigfoot fan page, Lupe Mendoza, reported that while driving back from the Cryptopoolza his group decided to make a stop by the location of Melba Ketchum’s business, DNA Diagnostics, located at the address 569 Bear Drive, Timpson, Texas, 75975-4072. It turns out when they arrived, the building was closed down and had a for sale sign posted on the front of the building. This is very mysterious since the last word we heard from the Ketchum fiasco, oops… I mean "camp" stated that the DNA would be out soon and basically everyone that offered up a can of "hateraid" to her DNA study will soon be eating crow.

Also, interesting enough, the phone number listed 936-254-2228 for her lab is now disconnected. This just adds to the ongoing mystery surrounding her DNA study...

Read more: http://www.bigfootev...ostics.html?m=1

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:32 PM

Unfortunately, businesses go out of business every day, being a DNA test facility is no guarantee of success.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 07:27 PM

View PostNight Walker, on 22 October 2012 - 06:34 AM, said:

On the DNA front things aren't looking so good either:

Breaking: Melba Ketchum's DNA Diagnostics Building Is Shut Down! WTF!

In a strange turn of events, once again, the Admins from Team Tazer Bigfoot fan page, Lupe Mendoza, reported that while driving back from the Cryptopoolza his group decided to make a stop by the location of Melba Ketchum’s business, DNA Diagnostics, located at the address 569 Bear Drive, Timpson, Texas, 75975-4072. It turns out when they arrived, the building was closed down and had a for sale sign posted on the front of the building. This is very mysterious since the last word we heard from the Ketchum fiasco, oops… I mean "camp" stated that the DNA would be out soon and basically everyone that offered up a can of "hateraid" to her DNA study will soon be eating crow.

Also, interesting enough, the phone number listed 936-254-2228data:image/png;base64,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 for her lab is now disconnected. This just adds to the ongoing mystery surrounding her DNA study...

Read more: http://www.bigfootev...ostics.html?m=1
Very interesting. I look forward to the Bigfoot True Believer implosion that will occur on many forum sites (Other... not UM) as a result. Flame wars will likely get out of hand and result in Bannings.

I would still like to see what was found out about all those samples that were sent in.

Maybe it is all part of a scam? Say that the FedGov knocked down the door and took all the samples.... The MIBs? I look forward to the various excuses that will be issued.

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