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#1036    zoser

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:12 PM

View PostGaden, on 08 December 2012 - 04:34 PM, said:

No, YOU are the one making assumptions. I, myself have drilled tens of thousands of holes, I know how a drill acts. All the ancients would have to do is chip a depression roughly the size of their drill to get started. Once started, the bit is contained within it's own hole. IT WILL NOT WANDER ONCE THE HOLE IS STARTED, even if it is out of round. The spinning drill still has a center and an outer edge. The outer edge defines the diameter of the hole. After they drilled the hole, the surface of the rock would have been dressed and polished to below the pont where tool wander occured.
I really do not believe the stone the ancients worked with was as hard as your head.

What drill?  You mean a pipe?  Yes a non-circular copper pipe.  Not a drill.  They never had drills remember?  Jesus. :td:

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:13 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

So THIS is your proof of the Ancient Alien Theory?

I wonder what Picasso would have thought of that.


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Didn't say it was proof.  They aint humans though.  Find me humans that look like this and we'll talk.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:17 PM

View PostGaden, on 08 December 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

You know, the instant I read this I felt my time hear had come to an end. Many of us have offered facts and evidence. Real tools that have been found. Real chisel marks that have been found. Real workers homes, kitchens, cemetaries. There are inumerable drawings left by the AE that showed the dragging of large stones and sculptures. There are actual records from the time of the building of the GP detailing how to calculate the material needed to build ramps. Actual records written at the time detailing the rations needed for the work force. I have not even included all of the evidence provided. And what have the AA beleivers offered other than conjecture and misunderstanding? Anything? Anything at all?

If you can find me tools that created the wall at Cuzco that is 39 inches thick and precise to high tolerances on all mating surfaces I will then take you seriously.  For now your just another 'Just like that Man'.

View Postsynchronomy, on 08 December 2012 - 04:50 PM, said:

I think you are envisioning something similar to a Boy Scout starting a fire with a bow and stick.
There may not have been a poor soul holding a large stone on top of the pipe.  I picture more of a scaffold with a stone which can traverse vertically as the drill deepens the hole.
Also, two large bows, one of each side of the pipe, each with a man on either end.  Four men, lots of sweat, equals lots of power in that configuration.

Another possibility is a pump drill, scaled up for the task, which is described about half-way down this page.  This could be modified to include being bow powered:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_drill

Stone age folk remember.  Boy scouts would probably have had a better chance.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:17 PM

You ever visited a museum?

You think all people in history carved out statues like a Michelangelo, a Botticelli?

You ever thought about 'symbolism' in art?

Thinking people only carved out faces and bodies true to nature is forgetting the reasons why people carved statues at all.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:21 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 04:10 PM, said:

The point is this: many socalled 'ancient walls' in Cusco were constructed during the colonial period.

Second point: if the Spaniards had watched the Incas (or actually, the Quechuas;  "Inca" was the title of their rulers) construct these walls and buildings, they no doubt would have recorded any out of the ordinary tools.

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Your vagueness doesn't do you justice.  Let me be clear:  The inca did not do this:

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If you think they did then please explain how.  This wall is 39 inches thick and is precise on all mating surfaces.  Engineers cannot explain how this was achieved.  No doubt you can.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:23 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Your vagueness doesn't do you justice.  Let me be clear:  The inca did not do this:

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Then who did it?

And what is vague about this:

"The point is this: many socalled 'ancient walls' in Cusco were constructed during the colonial period.

Second point: if the Spaniards had watched the Incas (or actually, the Quechuas;  "Inca" was the title of their rulers) construct these walls and buildings, they no doubt would have recorded any out of the ordinary tools."


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 05:23 PM, said:

Then who did it?

And what is vague about this:

"The point is this: many socalled 'ancient walls' in Cusco were constructed during the colonial period.

Second point: if the Spaniards had watched the Incas (or actually, the Quechuas;  "Inca" was the title of their rulers) construct these walls and buildings, they no doubt would have recorded any out of the ordinary tools."


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Abe: how was it done? Quoting school history books is not going to help.  I told you guys I was going to give you a hard time over this.  You are not gong to get away with expounding this nonsense.

Now how was it done?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:29 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

Abe: how was it done? Quoting school history books is not going to help.  I told you guys I was going to give you a hard time over this.  You are not gong to get away with expounding this nonsense.

Now how was it done?

I posted a link to a website you did not read.

Again: if the Incas had used diamond saws, automatic drills or whatever advanced technology, then why did the Spaniards - who were there when the Incas were still busy constructing walls - not report it?

And what did you not understand from the next quote:

"The fortress-temple of Ollantaytambo is famous for its beautifully fitted great slabs of red porphyry forming a portion of what must have been intended to be its principal temple. But this complex, a work in progress when the conquistadores arrived, was never finished. A number of large cut blocks were abandoned en route to the site and remain today, known as piedras cansadas or "tired stones".  Within the complex, a stone that was in the process of being maneuvered into its final position can be seen lying on its emplacement ramp."

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:35 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

Stone age folk remember.  Boy scouts would probably have had a better chance.
You really think these people were a bunch of apes.
I am wondering don't get the impression that you are well read in the history of mankind prior to around your date of birth.
Have you read anything academic relating to the ancients or is your vast knowledge limited to the world's history according to Youtube and some fringied websites?

You are impossible to debate with.  Everything presented to you is dismissed as nonsense.  You're not debating, you are simply contradicting everything.  Time after time you fail to acknowledge good points being made here, to the point where it's coming across as downright rude.
It's becoming tiresome.  I've noticed a few members seem to be posting less in this topic and I suspect it's because they are losing interest.  Which makes me question why I am here.  Maybe I'm the one needing my head looked at.

Search "Argument Clinic from Monty Python" on Youtube.  This is Zoser's office:



Edited by synchronomy, 08 December 2012 - 05:41 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:41 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 08 December 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

You really think these people were a bunch of apes.
I am wondering don't get the impression that you are well read in the history of mankind prior to around your date of birth.
Have you read anything academic relating to the ancients or is your vast knowledge limited to the world's history according to Youtube and some fringied websites?

You are impossible to debate with.  Everything presented to you is dismissed as nonsense.  You're not debating, you are simply contradicting everything.  Time after time you fail to acknowledge good points being made here, to the point where it's coming across as downright rude.
It's becoming tiresome.  I've noticed a few members seem to be posting less in this topic and I suspect it's because they are losing interest.  Which makes me question why I am here.  Maybe I'm the one needing my head looked at.

I have a lot of respect for the ancients.  The point that is being made is using the Cuzco wall as an example, no natural developing indiginous race created it.

Why was it not perpetuated down the ages?  Why did the Spanish not witness them building megalithic walls?  Why did the Inca resort to building inferior walls later in their history.

Answer: they didn't build megalithic architecture at all.  The argument is solid. As solid as the Cuzco wall.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:02 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 05:41 PM, said:


Why was it not perpetuated down the ages?  Why did the Spanish not witness them building megalithic walls?  Why did the Inca resort to building inferior walls later in their history.

Answer: they didn't build megalithic architecture at all.  The argument is solid. As solid as the Cuzco wall.
Probably because their way of life and culture was destroyed by the values of the Europeans.  Same reason every indiginous tribe in North America was destroyed quickly even though they and their ancestors had survived thousands of years.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:07 PM

View Postzoser, on 08 December 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

You are making assumptions based on what tools are available to us.  The Onion Man is doing the same thing by talking about sets of pilot drills.  Hence my sarcastic reference to Wall Mart.

Not pilot drills, pilot holes, or guides, which don't take much brains to figure out. And so what if it wanders a little before it starts to dig in? Why are you having such a hard time grasping the possibility that the surface wasn't smooth when they started drilling? In fact, the rougher the surface, the less likely the bit is to wander.

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We need to be extremely clear that we are talking about stone age people.  There were no high speed drills or drill bits.  The Onion Man is postulating that they used bows which rotated some mysteriously formed tube of copper on way and then the other.  Extremely cumbersome, painfully time consuming and in all honesty unrealistic.

I didn't say just copper now, did I? And knowing the technology they had, we know how they could've made a drill tube, like the ones in the earlier link you neglected to comment on, just like you're keen to distract everyone from the fact the experimental drill in question actually worked.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:13 PM

View PostImaginarynumber1, on 08 December 2012 - 10:24 AM, said:

He made reference to wax and clay molds, so I figured he was referring to the lost wax method that the Egyptians (among others) were noted for discovering.

Not lost as in forgotten, but lost during the process. Not sure if that part was misunderstood or not. :hmm:

He said it because I said it. I also said that's just one way to do it but as usual, that part got passed over.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:22 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 08 December 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

The conquistadores admired Inka stonework sufficiently to employ Inka stonecutters and techniques in colonial buildings, and many of the "ancient Inka" walls in Cusco belong to the colonial period, such as this wall with carved snakes and stones in non-Incaic shapes:

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http://www.rutahsa.com/incaarch.html

Not to give the other side ammunition but one small qualifier ought to be mentioned if only to get it out of the way. In reading about Sacsayhuaman, it was noted that nearly all but the biggest stones were carried off  to nearby Cuzco to build homes for the Spanish. It's not inconcievable then that the stones above are some of those stones which were removed and re-erected in their original configurations.

Edited by Oniomancer, 08 December 2012 - 06:22 PM.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:25 PM

View Postsynchronomy, on 08 December 2012 - 05:35 PM, said:

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I'm the one needing my head looked at.

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Naah, you're just fine!

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