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#1    skytwister

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:11 AM

Am just curious if anyone has heard of Fomenko or read his works. I just started skimming through some of his books (if anyone reads Russian, I have them in pdf form and am happy to share). He's a mathematician but is mostly known for his ideas in historical revisionism. http://en.wikipedia....Anatoly_Fomenko there's a short paragraph on wiki, basically saying that our notion of time and occurence of events is inaccurate.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:11 PM

View Postskytwister, on 05 June 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

Am just curious if anyone has heard of Fomenko or read his works. I just started skimming through some of his books (if anyone reads Russian, I have them in pdf form and am happy to share). He's a mathematician but is mostly known for his ideas in historical revisionism. http://en.wikipedia....Anatoly_Fomenko there's a short paragraph on wiki, basically saying that our notion of time and occurence of events is inaccurate.
He is a fantasist in this affair of "New chronology" and is laughed at. Don't waste your time with this, there is nothing.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:52 PM

View PostTutankhaten-pasheri, on 05 June 2013 - 03:11 PM, said:


He is a fantasist in this affair of "New chronology" and is laughed at. Don't waste your time with this, there is nothing.

Exactly, don't let others decide. If you want to investigate (not only) his theory: good luck.
It's worth the study. I do not regret.

You don't have to approve all details of his view, but that view in general is held by more historians.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 04:53 PM

Critics have accused Fomenko of altering the data to improve the fit with his ideas and have noted that he violates a key rule of statistics by selecting matches from the historical record which support his chronology, while ignoring those which do not, creating artificial, better-than-chance correlations, and that these practices undermine Fomenko's statistical arguments. The new chronology was given a comprehensive critical analysis in a round table on "The 'Myths' of New Chronology" chaired by the dean of the department of history of Moscow State University in December 1999. One of the participants in that round table, the distinguished Russian archaeologist, Valentin Yanin, compared Fomenko's work to "the sleight of hand trickery of a David Copperfield".

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:18 PM

Fomenko also has a lot of books to sell. Always the books are part of some jigsaw, so if you want to know more, then you have to buy another book. And always the same excuse for this saying that his "science" is so new that he has to constantly write new books to keep up with everything. Clearly.....


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:47 PM

I guess his 'hero' was Erich von Däniken.




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Posted 05 June 2013 - 05:50 PM

View PostVan Gorp, on 05 June 2013 - 04:52 PM, said:



Exactly, don't let others decide. If you want to investigate (not only) his theory: good luck.
It's worth the study. I do not regret.

You don't have to approve all details of his view, but that view in general is held by more historians.


Could you name a few of these historians?




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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:32 PM

Sounds like the Russian version of David Rohl.

Both advocate "new chronologies." Both twist and distort the evidence, not to mention ignoring a lot of it.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:46 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 05 June 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

Could you name a few of these historians?

Before Hardouin, very recent Rita Monaldi.
For the rest scientists/scholare of different kind had doubts in the same line: Leo Wiener talked about blatant forgery concerning Tacitus' Germania.

Morosov and his studies were a great inspiration for Fomenko.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:07 PM

View PostVan Gorp, on 05 June 2013 - 08:46 PM, said:

Leo Wiener talked about blatant forgery concerning Tacitus' Germania.


What forgery?

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:11 PM

Fomenko claim that Trojan war and the Crusades were the same historical event and that Genghis Khan and the Mongols were actually Russians.
Well Mr. Fomenko I wonder who fight on Kalka river then?

Also Jesuits were called schoolmasters of Europe. They didnt fabricated nothing as Fomenko thinks.

Edited by the L, 05 June 2013 - 09:12 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:13 PM

View Postkmt_sesh, on 05 June 2013 - 08:32 PM, said:


Both can be safely ignored.

I dont know for Rohl but Fomenko will be ignored from now on.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:17 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 June 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

What forgery?

What What forgery?


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostVan Gorp, on 05 June 2013 - 09:17 PM, said:

What What forgery?

You said that Leo Wiener talked about blatant forgery concerning Tacitus' Germania.

Do you know on what Leo thought?

Edited by the L, 05 June 2013 - 09:18 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 09:27 PM

View Postthe L, on 05 June 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

You said that Leo Wiener talked about blatant forgery concerning Tacitus' Germania.

Do you know on what Leo thought?

Roughly: He thought that Germania was written in the eighth century inspired by a work of Pseudo-Berosus, another forgery as he believed.





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