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[MID]

Englishgent, on 20 December 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

This thread started off with  photographs of contrails allegedly depicting chemtrails. This has been proven over the various pages, by various people,  not to be the case and that they are just contrails, I think even the people who accepted them initially as chemtrails now concede that maybe they were wrong.
Is this the case?

I should look forward to the answers to that question.


But in my experience, it's a little more difficult to get those posessed of that chemtrail mindset to concede they were wrong.

Doing that requires knowledge of the subject matter, and I've found most people, supporting most all CTs (Chemtrails, Moon Hoaxes, etc...)are very slow, or far too lazy, to apply the appropriate rigor in order to gain subject-matter knowledge.


i do, however, like being surprized!  We'll see!

[BFB]

Paul Rubino, on 20 December 2011 - 01:11 AM, said:

What you're seeing is natural cloud formations and contrails - nothing unusual or conspiratorial.

Chemtrails have exsited since the 40's.

I got one question for you.

If its not chemtrsils, what is it then called when we spray sulfate aerosols for studying?

[oly]

bmk1245, on 19 December 2011 - 11:21 PM, said:

Whoever claims aircraft flying from horizon to horizon and back and spraying "chemtrails", why don't check with live data http://www.flightradar24.com/ over the area of interest? Would be fun to hear how many air companies from many countries "are involved in chemtrail business"

I'll try it out next clear day  

[Little Fish]

Englishgent, on 20 December 2011 - 02:02 AM, said:

This thread started off with  photographs of contrails allegedly depicting chemtrails. This has been proven over the various pages, by various people,  not to be the case and that they are just contrails, I think even the people who accepted them initially as chemtrails now concede that maybe they were wrong.
Is this the case?

no.

[oly]

frenat, on 20 December 2011 - 12:42 AM, said:

What does any of that have to do with YOU posting the link to the article and saying "doubt it's about global warming, or climate change" when the article clearly did NOT agree with you?  Either you didn't even read your own posted article or you have a serious reading comprehension problem.

Avoiding questioned & gettin abusive eh? Nice. Read posts for answers

[Little Fish]

MID, on 20 December 2011 - 12:33 AM, said:

We're going to try and...

is that the royal "we"?

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There are no contrails such as the one's you illustrate at 4000 feet.

that is exactly the point that I made, so why would a "persistent contrail" form from a jet aircraft at 4,000 feet, and then over an hour or so form a cloud? clearly something is happening that never happened before.

[Scott G]

Little Fish, on 20 December 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

that is exactly the point that I made, so why would a "persistent contrail" form from a jet aircraft at 4,000 feet, and then over an hour or so form a cloud? clearly something is happening that never happened before.

Nicely done.

[Little Fish]

xScorpinix, on 20 December 2011 - 01:44 AM, said:

Yes. And this theory also exists here in Canada, in the USA, and in many other countries.

It's surely a world conspiracy, masterminded by the UN. (I certainly hope that you detect the sarcasm in that statement.) Come on, people! What would be the point of this 'spraying' anyway? Chemical warfare? Nobody has randomly dropped dead from metal oxide poisoning. For the theory of reflecting the sun's UV rays, that is absolutely ridiculous. I question the logic of these people. I personally think we should go with Paul's idea and ask a tonne of pilots about this.

why do you question the logic of the science and the policymakers?
http://www.cfr.org/c...Eng_Jan2709.pdf
http://iopscience.io..._4_4_045102.pdf
if you read the document, it tells you that a small group of very rich people have said they would privately fund it, nothing to do with the UN.

[BFB]

MID, on 20 December 2011 - 02:37 AM, said:

I should look forward to the answers to that question.


But in my experience, it's a little more difficult to get those posessed of that chemtrail mindset to concede they were wrong.

Doing that requires knowledge of the subject matter, and I've found most people, supporting most all CTs (Chemtrails, Moon Hoaxes, etc...)are very slow, or far too lazy, to apply the appropriate rigor in order to gain subject-matter knowledge.


i do, however, like being surprized!  We'll see!

This is really getting on my nerves.

I actually study atmospheric science, so I should have some knowledge.

But thanks for discrediting science!! Ask any scientist in the field of weather/climate, if chemtrails is BS. There is no freaky conspiracy!!! We are not hiding anything!! WE ACTUALLY DO IT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR ATMOSPHERE!!!!!

Uhh btw, contrails is not due bigger engines or the fuel. Agian good way to discredit science or promote psudoscience!!!

Contrails is basically frozen water vapor. It's true we got bigger engines these days, but they use the fuel more efficient than before, so more water vapor is not produce by bigger engines.

Despite the fuel have change over time, its still not cause more water vapor!!!

So is it because of changes in the atmosphere? No, its not. The mainly reason why we see more contrails and think they "live" longer than before, is because air trafic have risen.

Do contrail affect our climate? YES! Read this and you might get a better understanding.

http://www.dmi.dk/dmi/sr04-06.pdf

But note that the precise mechanisms is still not explained at a satisfying level.

Basically contrails act like an exhaust from a car.

http://www.sciencedi...352231009004956

[BUT NO,] CONTRAILS DO NOT HAVE ANY CHEMICALS WHICH ARE BAD FOR HUMANS AND ANIMAILS!

In the scientific community we have two things. Contrails and Chemtrails.

The only studying we do on contrails is to see how it effects our climate. Chemtrails are used to study how our atmosphere works and one day it might be able to counter act Global Warming.

So either please sit down and learn about the science or stop pretending you know what you guys are talking about. (Generalizing)

Edited by BFB, 20 December 2011 - 10:05 AM.

[oly]

BFB, on 20 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:

So is it because of changes in the atmosphere? No, its not. The mainly reason why we see more contrails and think they "live" longer than before, is because air trafic have risen.

how would increasing air traffic make trails "live" longer?

[BFB]

Little Fish, on 20 December 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

that is exactly the point that I made, so why would a "persistent contrail" form from a jet aircraft at 4,000 feet, and then over an hour or so form a cloud? clearly something is happening that never happened before.

Basically because of the water vapor. You of all should know this.

[BFB]

oly, on 20 December 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

how would increasing air traffic make trails "live" longer?

Because the more air trafic, the more water vapor. More water vapor in our skies makes them "live" longer.

[Dougal]

BFB, on 20 December 2011 - 10:01 AM, said:

This is really getting on my nerves.

I actually study atmospheric science, so I should have some knowledge.

But thanks for discrediting science!! Ask any scientist in the field of weather/climate, if chemtrails is BS. There is no freaky conspiracy!!! We are not hiding anything!! WE ACTUALLY DO IT TO BETTER UNDERSTAND OUR ATMOSPHERE!!!!!

Uhh btw, contrails is not due bigger engines or the fuel. Agian good way to discredit science or promote psudoscience!!!

Contrails is basically frozen water vapor. It's true we got bigger engines these days, but they use the fuel more efficient than before, so more water vapor is not produce by bigger engines.

Despite the fuel have change over time, its still not cause more water vapor!!!

So is it because of changes in the atmosphere? No, its not. The mainly reason why we see more contrails and think they "live" longer than before, is because air trafic have risen.

Do contrail affect our climate? YES! Read this and you might get a better understanding.

http://www.dmi.dk/dmi/sr04-06.pdf

But note that the precise mechanisms is still not explained at a satisfying level.

Basically contrails act like an exhaust from a car.

http://www.sciencedi...352231009004956

[BUT NO,] CONTRAILS DO NOT HAVE ANY CHEMICALS WHICH ARE BAD FOR HUMANS AND ANIMAILS!

In the scientific community we have two things. Contrails and Chemtrails.

The only studying we do on contrails is to see how it effects our climate. Chemtrails are used to study how our atmosphere works and one day it might be able to counter act Global Warming.

So either please sit down and learn about the science or stop pretending you know what you guys are talking about. (Generalizing)

I think that you're talking about a "different type" of chemtrail to the others here BFB.

I think they're referring less about chemtrails that contain any chemicals, and more about the conspiracy idea of chemtrails that contain some unknown chemicals for power/control over people.

At least that's how I'm interpreting the conversation

[oly]

BFB, on 20 December 2011 - 10:26 AM, said:

Basically because of the water vapor. You of all should know this.

& we all know vapour produced artificially dissipates quickly. Kettle, breath etc. if conditions were conducive, vapour would already be there.

[BFB]

Dougal, on 20 December 2011 - 10:35 AM, said:

I think that you're talking about a "different type" of chemtrail to the others here BFB.

I think they're referring less about chemtrails that contain any chemicals, and more about the conspiracy idea of chemtrails that contain some unknown chemicals for power/control over people.

At least that's how I'm interpreting the conversation

Oh we are discussing if our spraying can control people? If thats the case i have indeed misinterpreted.

Thanks for letting me know.