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#31    CommunitarianKevin

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:40 PM

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I won't get into great detail here on why our healthcare is so expensive but next time you go to the doctor take a close look at your bill. You will see the doctor is charging say $5,000.00 for the procedure.  The bill will say the insurance company has paid $800, the amount a preferred provider has agreed to accept for this procedure.  your copay lets say is 10% so $80.00.  You will see that there is a discrepancy of $4,120.00.  That where the IRS comes in.  This $4,120.00 is a tax write off for the doctor or hospital.  The IRS is the reason healthcare costs are through the roof.  If you don't have insurance you will be expected to pay $5000 dollars instead $80 or even $880.  The IRS and hospitals greed are the real reason healthcare costs are through the roof but you never ever hear any politicians addressing this.

I am not sure how it being a writeoffs makes the IRS greedy...Maybe I am understanding it incorrectly, but write offs do not make the IRS money...
Of course the hospitals are greedy...it is called capitalism...no one has a business to not make money. Politicians may not address it directly but I think the Dems do a better job of trying to curb this. The reason I do not think the Repub and Libertarian view (total free market capitalism) works is because of greed. That is why I strongly perfer the liberal ecomonic stance (caplitalism with a lot of goverment regulation.) I trust our government, made up of elected officials, more than I trust a CEO and a corporation.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:42 PM

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I am not sure how it being a writeoffs makes the IRS greedy...Maybe I am understanding it incorrectly, but write offs do not make the IRS money...
Of course the hospitals are greedy...it is called capitalism...no one has a business to not make money. Politicians may not address it directly but I think the Dems do a better job of trying to curb this. The reason I do not think the Repub and Libertarian view (total free market capitalism) works is because of greed. That is why I strongly perfer the liberal ecomonic stance (caplitalism with a lot of goverment regulation.) I trust our government, made up of elected officials, more than I trust a CEO and a corporation.

Especially then when you are capable and willing to fire them on poor performance... something yet to happen. See Congress.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:44 PM

View PostOverSword, on 05 October 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Exactly.  We've been hypnotized into believing that sex is the be all end all.  It's not.

Meh, Europeans have more sex, start at a younger age, and are more open about it...they also have few issues than we do...The problem is that it is seen as a taboo.

I think people just need to increase their standards and not have sex with anything that has the proper anatomy. It is okay to turn someone down...

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 05:47 PM

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Especially then when you are capable and willing to fire them on poor performance... something yet to happen. See Congress.

A CEO will not be fired for being greedy and taking advantage of people as long as they are making a profit. Congress can be fired but it turns out that everyone loves their congress person, so they re-elect them. That is their problem...the fact is, they are elected...we could fire all of them and start from scratch...we choose not too...

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:11 PM

What I was getting at is they are charging $10,000.00 for a procedure they know they will only get paid $880.00 on, because they can then write off the remainder. I believe they are getting paid what the procedure is worth and the write off is for a dihonest amount.  Thus th IRS is complicit in the fraud that makes US healthcare costs so high.  I really don't know this as a fact but look at you next hospital bill and wonder how they can really afford to take $880.00 for a $10,000.00 procedure.  It's the only thing that makes sense and explains why procedures in the USA cost more than they do in other countries.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:12 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

Meh, Europeans have more sex, start at a younger age, and are more open about it...they also have few issues than we do...The problem is that it is seen as a taboo.

I think people just need to increase their standards and not have sex with anything that has the proper anatomy. It is okay to turn someone down...
I'm not arguing against birth control, I'm arguing that people using it should pay the $15.00 a month themselves.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:14 PM

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I'm not arguing against birth control, I'm arguing that people using it should pay the $15.00 a month themselves.

I argue that those $15 a month are way cheaper than having another kid on welfare.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostOverSword, on 05 October 2012 - 06:12 PM, said:

I'm not arguing against birth control, I'm arguing that people using it should pay the $15.00 a month themselves.

I agree with the principle. I would pay, I have no problem...but believe it or not, some people do have problems paying for it and they are the ones that need it the most.

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 06:31 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 05 October 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

I argue that those $15 a month are way cheaper than having another kid on welfare.
Take that $15 multiply it by every woman on birht control and calculate the real cost.  Duh.


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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:05 PM

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Take that $15 multiply it by every woman on birht control and calculate the real cost.  Duh.

But it does not result in just 1 child that government money pays for...A child costs more than 15 dollars...

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:09 PM

View PostHuttonEtAl, on 05 October 2012 - 07:05 PM, said:

But it does not result in just 1 child that government money pays for...A child costs more than 15 dollars...

very duh!

But I have faith that straining his brain a little he would have come to the same conclusion, latest when they increase his taxes to pay for more food stamps :devil:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 07:53 PM

wow!  .. who knew!?   i wonder if it has anything to do with FEWER PREGNANCIES? :huh:

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:41 PM

LOL!  You guys are exhausting.  How about if the president just declares everything free!  Why not, who need profits?

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

Quick B.S. Fact here.  there are  311,591,917 women in the USA. to make up for the amount of money being lost on BC copays $15 a pop, per month, per woman the insurance companies will only have to raise overall premiums by $56,086,545,060 a year to make up for losses being incurred by having free BC.

56 trillion and change.  That sounds reasonable just so the president can buy the womens vote

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 09:48 PM

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Thus th IRS is complicit in the fraud t

The IRS just enforces the law. If any one is "complicit", it's congress.

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