Bad dreams and physical manifestations

[GH0STW0LF]

Good Morning all!

I want to start this out by saying that typically I would be called a skeptic but have had some fantastic experiences in the paranormal world I cant disprove. So, I guess you could also call me a believer.

That being said here is the meat of the subject. I've read and responded to several posts concerning scratches in the night, and here s my similar yet different avenue of approach.

My house is haunted, there are far too many witnesses and things unexplained, ( and failingly I tried to disprove) for this house not to be. But here is why I write, after having lived here for ten years I am under attack. For the two weeks previous to this post my youngest stepdaughter of 14,now the only child left living in the house. Has reported to her mother and I about being "bugged" by a male ghost in and around her room upstairs.

Last night I didnt sleep well at all and had bad dreams. I cant recall the dreams and remember only ONE thing from all of them. Whoever was attacking me had me by one shoulder in a grip I can only describe as an Iron grip and was dragging me across the ground. When I awoke that same shoulder was sore and I thought, " Man I slept on my arm wrong again."

I am aware that sometimes things happen in our dreams to reflect what is going on to our bodies in the real world.

I got up and staggered into the bathroom to do my morning business, not giving the shoulder thing a thought beyond it was still being painful, and when I looked into the bathroom mirror I could see clearly defined four very distinct marks of what looked like where four fingers would have gripped my shoulder. I was shocked and went to my wife and asked her if she could see them as well and she said yes. here is the real kicker. When I turned around to go back to the mirror to look closer she had me stop and looked at the back side of my shoulder and there was one defined mark there as well, as if a thumb had dug in.

No, I didnt take pictures, no Im not going to.

I practice Shamanism and none of my sources have responded to my queries about this phenomena.

My room has been "sealed" and up till now my wife and I were not bothered much by our "houseguests" I HAVE to take a stance on this and stop further action.

Please, Someone, if you have had similar experiences please tell me and what you did to stop it.

Im open to suggestion.

[bLu3 de 3n3rgy]

My room has been "sealed" and up till now my wife and I were not bothered much by our "houseguests" I HAVE to take a stance on this and stop further action.

If you practise shamanism, then you'll have your methods in dealing with these kind of things if you feel something of this nature is going on. That's for you to decide. Waking up with unexplained injuries/deep muscular strains, has happened to me, what did i do about it ? nothing. These things just happen sometimes. For all you know you could have wound up running into something on the astral level and it's not something in your house.

Also, If your Step daughter is experiencing something; you mentioned the male presence? then you might want to extend shielding to her room too if you're going to make a stance with it.

Edited October 7, 2009 by SupeRgirl

[GH0STW0LF]

If you practise shamanism, then you'll have your methods in dealing with these kind of things if you feel something of this nature is going on. That's for you to decide. Waking up with unexplained injuries/deep muscular strains, has happened to me, what did i do about it ? nothing. These things just happen sometimes.

Also, If your Step daughter is also experiencing something; you mentioned the male presence? then you might want to extend shielding to her room too if you're going to make a stance with it.

Thank you for responding, yes there are means that shaman use to deal with these things, unfortunately I have very little in the way of one-on-one training with it, most of it has been learned through the use of books and just the "feel" of things. It is my hope to visit a teacher in Wyoming or Colorado soon but until then I waswondering if anyone else had a take on this. I am going to do a ritual tonight with the stepdaughter to seal her room as well.

Thank you again.

~Gh0st~

[oz_nic]

i don't know if this is anyway related at all. but i have night terrors not all the time maybe once a month or so. i have been reading up on them over the past few years. from what i have been told and the research i have done is that night terrors are caused by stress and apart of the brain not shuting down while sleeping.

the last 3 i have had is i "wake up" and i have seen a woman and the onlly way i can describe her is looking like little bo peep. the other was a large golden labrodor at the end of the bed and the third was a hand reaching out of the roof coming to get me. i see these things and sit up in a panic and start hitting my partner. i am totally unaware i am doing this until my partner says something to me that wakes me up. i am a little dazed but after about 5mins i can remember everything like i was awake the whole time.

i have been told its due to my high blood pressure. yes yes i am 24 and suffer servre hypertension. but it is still very scary.

my mother who came with me to the specialist said i have suffered from night terrors since i was about 3 or 4. they are strange but very scary things to happen.

[GH0STW0LF]

i don't know if this is anyway related at all. but i have night terrors not all the time maybe once a month or so. i have been reading up on them over the past few years. from what i have been told and the research i have done is that night terrors are caused by stress and apart of the brain not shuting down while sleeping.

the last 3 i have had is i "wake up" and i have seen a woman and the onlly way i can describe her is looking like little bo peep. the other was a large golden labrodor at the end of the bed and the third was a hand reaching out of the roof coming to get me. i see these things and sit up in a panic and start hitting my partner. i am totally unaware i am doing this until my partner says something to me that wakes me up. i am a little dazed but after about 5mins i can remember everything like i was awake the whole time.

i have been told its due to my high blood pressure. yes yes i am 24 and suffer servre hypertension. but it is still very scary.

my mother who came with me to the specialist said i have suffered from night terrors since i was about 3 or 4. they are strange but very scary things to happen.

This is quite interesting indeed, I have recently been diagnosed with High Blood pressure. It came out of the blue and I was hospitalized with it is how I found out I had it. Now I say out of the blue, but the truth of the matter is that it was to be expected given the stressors I've recently gone through. Since I have been back from my deployment in March I have been unemployed and add to that fact that our house had shall we say deteriorated quite a bit more than I expected in every aspect than a person could have imagined in the short year I was away from it.

I cant say what I have been experiencing is night terrors though, typically I dont dream,that is to say I typically dont recall any dreams. Even this particular instance all I recall is that I was held and dragged, nothing more really.

Thank you for you input Oz_nic it does give me SOMETHING more to go on. Especially the aspect of having the high blood pressure.

[oz_nic]

my high blood pressure was found by accident. i have always had headaches. constant headaches. i just happened to be in hospital with a viral infection and the doctors were worried about my blood pressure. it was very high the "normal" reading for me was around 190 over 178. i am on medcation so that has helped alot. my high blood pressure is just due to my genes. i just was unlucky to get it so young....

[GH0STW0LF]

my high blood pressure was found by accident. i have always had headaches. constant headaches. i just happened to be in hospital with a viral infection and the doctors were worried about my blood pressure. it was very high the "normal" reading for me was around 190 over 178. i am on medcation so that has helped alot. my high blood pressure is just due to my genes. i just was unlucky to get it so young....

Mine was found when I went into the hospital due to an infection in a capped tooth. It had cracked underneath apparently and gotten infected. They kinda freaked out when they took my bp and saw how high it was. Then they strapped me down and monitored me for several hours to ensure I wasnt going to have a stroke. I went in with a headache so bad I literally could not see.

[PhenomInvestigator]

Dream state is an extremely tricky thing. Many psychologists believe that people are in an unusual state during dreams which admit all sorts of deep-seated emotions, fears and beliefs that would not be accepted in waking state. This includes amplification of real physical events.

The marks you discovered are most likely self-inflicted unless of course another person was involved of whom you are unaware. These could be

simple physical effects or something a bit more deep-seated resulting in a form of what is best described as a psychic injury. This is not as

uncommon as you might think. The marks on the shoulder are a hard call with limited evidence. If you had a video of your sleeping you might

be able to see what really happened. However based on my own case work and that of colleagues, it would not surprise if such a video revealed

nothing untoward, except perhaps a reaction at some point on your part indicating some minor pain.

As to what is really going on, that is tough to do via Internet. This really requires taking a good close look at your situation in a one-on-one basis, not unlike a clinical setting. You do mention that you are back from deployment, so I presume you were in the military. Thank you btw for your service. And it sounds like there is certainly every reason to be in a rut. That could explain this phenomena, it literally could be an interesting way that your body is reacting to all these events. Please know that you are not alone and it could not hurt to simply begin working on all those memories, getting things in order. You may find that, as you heal, these phenomena diminish and eventually cease.

All the best to you!

[GH0STW0LF]

Dream state is an extremely tricky thing. Many psychologists believe that people are in an unusual state during dreams which admit all sorts of deep-seated emotions, fears and beliefs that would not be accepted in waking state. This includes amplification of real physical events.

The marks you discovered are most likely self-inflicted unless of course another person was involved of whom you are unaware. These could be

simple physical effects or something a bit more deep-seated resulting in a form of what is best described as a psychic injury. This is not as

uncommon as you might think. The marks on the shoulder are a hard call with limited evidence. If you had a video of your sleeping you might

be able to see what really happened. However based on my own case work and that of colleagues, it would not surprise if such a video revealed

nothing untoward, except perhaps a reaction at some point on your part indicating some minor pain.

As to what is really going on, that is tough to do via Internet. This really requires taking a good close look at your situation in a one-on-one basis, not unlike a clinical setting. You do mention that you are back from deployment, so I presume you were in the military. Thank you btw for your service. And it sounds like there is certainly every reason to be in a rut. That could explain this phenomena, it literally could be an interesting way that your body is reacting to all these events. Please know that you are not alone and it could not hurt to simply begin working on all those memories, getting things in order. You may find that, as you heal, these phenomena diminish and eventually cease.

All the best to you!

Thank you so much for your words of support!

Yes both my wife and I were deployed together (thankfully so) as I could not have endured the things that were done to me by my own command had she not been there. Truly I could turn that around and say that it, (those things) never would have happened had she not been there. I won't dwell on those issues because they are done. I will say however, that I sought help through our combat stress providers and they helped me immeasureably. Do I have PTSD? No. That much was actually assessed and diagnosed. I was however, under much stress and it has affected aspects of my physical well being and I am sure spiritually as well.

On Topic: As far as the marks are concerned, I've had "pillow wounds" before. You know the deep lines and marks from sleeping really hard on the pillow? These marks and the sensations I experienced were unlke anything ever before and from a skeptical standpoint I did everything I could to rule out that it was something in the bed or myself causing it. You are correct video is seemingly the first step and I shall endeavor to put that into action.

To date the marks have not returned but I am experiencing little to no sleep.

Could it be leftovers from the deployment? Possibly. I dont know. How CAN one know?

As always all input is welcomed and needed , Ive had three replies and all three have proven immeasurable in usefulness.

THANK YOU again!

~Gh0st~

[daduffman123]

Good Morning all!

I want to start this out by saying that typically I would be called a skeptic but have had some fantastic experiences in the paranormal world I cant disprove. So, I guess you could also call me a believer.

That being said here is the meat of the subject. I've read and responded to several posts concerning scratches in the night, and here s my similar yet different avenue of approach.

My house is haunted, there are far too many witnesses and things unexplained, ( and failingly I tried to disprove) for this house not to be. But here is why I write, after having lived here for ten years I am under attack. For the two weeks previous to this post my youngest stepdaughter of 14,now the only child left living in the house. Has reported to her mother and I about being "bugged" by a male ghost in and around her room upstairs.

Last night I didnt sleep well at all and had bad dreams. I cant recall the dreams and remember only ONE thing from all of them. Whoever was attacking me had me by one shoulder in a grip I can only describe as an Iron grip and was dragging me across the ground. When I awoke that same shoulder was sore and I thought, " Man I slept on my arm wrong again."

I am aware that sometimes things happen in our dreams to reflect what is going on to our bodies in the real world.

I got up and staggered into the bathroom to do my morning business, not giving the shoulder thing a thought beyond it was still being painful, and when I looked into the bathroom mirror I could see clearly defined four very distinct marks of what looked like where four fingers would have gripped my shoulder. I was shocked and went to my wife and asked her if she could see them as well and she said yes. here is the real kicker. When I turned around to go back to the mirror to look closer she had me stop and looked at the back side of my shoulder and there was one defined mark there as well, as if a thumb had dug in.

No, I didnt take pictures, no Im not going to.

I practice Shamanism and none of my sources have responded to my queries about this phenomena.

My room has been "sealed" and up till now my wife and I were not bothered much by our "houseguests" I HAVE to take a stance on this and stop further action.

Please, Someone, if you have had similar experiences please tell me and what you did to stop it.

Im open to suggestion.

[daduffman123]

hey well the spirt that would haunt you would be a demon could of been invited all be let in people before you demons are fallan angle i am a christian and demons and ghost do not have power of us they only try and frighten you just tell them to get out in jesus name and they should leave

[hippydave]

If constant nightmares are artifically reduced with not going to sleep,will they become worse in the long run?

[ellapenella]

If constant nightmares are artifically reduced with not going to sleep,will they become worse in the long run?

Excuse me , I was wondering , are you having sleeping problems because of constant nightmares ? Or is this just an hypothesis ?

[hippydave]

Yeah, like to the power of 10,000.I am starting a Journal of all my dreams,starting from my first recurring dream at age

three.I did, just last week have the funnyist nightmare ever.I drempt I was choking myself with my left hand,and wrestling

with my right hand,and the left was winning.But,in short,theyr'e getting worse,and closer together.One was about a year and

a half ago.OK,Here goes...I dreampt that I went to bed,and had a dream!In that dream,I dermpt a sheet of lead,or darkness

come over me.I couldn't talk or breath.I woke up,no I dreampt that I woke up,and told someone my nightmare,so I went back

to sleep,no, I dreampt that I went back to sleep!I had the same Nightmare of the sheet of lead or darkness,I woke up.No! I

drempt that I woke up again!And told someone my nightmare!I dreampt that same dream within a dream 7 times in a row,with no

variation. Then,about a year ago,I dreampt I was being electrocuted to death,But I was not afraid.,I said (to GOD),I am

ready to go,and I have learned all I can from this life. Then,Get THIS, a few months later,I walked out to my car,and right

in front of the car,there was a plant growing,and this plant smelled lke rotting flesh,and the neighbor took a picture of

it and looked it up online.I was called a DEATH LILY,and not even native to this hemisphere!The Amusement doesn't end

there!I was outside,writting a letter,all of sudden,a bee flew straight at me,like he was shot from a gun,and stung me

right between thumb and forefinger,where I was holding the pen.Well,the pen got flung out of my hand,and I got up and

picked it up.Just then , My friends came out,and I put My letter away.The next day,I went to start writting,where I left

off.Guess what word I was in the middle of spelling,when the bee stung me?That's right!The word "be".The letter "B" was

down,and I got stung.And by the way,that bee must have been flying backwards!In the history of the universe,has that ever

happened,or ever will.Someone did say,"he must have been a spelling bee",well,more like an anti-spelling

bee.Yeah,whatever!Could you forward this to Stephen King,Even he needs to get scared once in a while!And There's a whole

lot more,just scratched the surface.I just realized,maybe I am really dreaming right now!It might explain things.Ok,in

1974,or so,i dreampt of the invisable cat,that can fly,pass through walls,etc.And it wanted to suck my soul out of my

chest.So,in my dream,I was pretending to be asleep,to lure my nemisis in.When it started sucking my soul,I grabbed it with

my left hand,held it out,and said"I know who you are,and who sent you,and I have friends who will help me.Right there, the

phone rang in real life,and I woke up,and answered it.Of course I know you guessed that it was that person,that I said,in

my dream,that would help me. And said over the phone"I don't know why I called you!"You must be totally amused by now!

So,years later,I ran into that same person,never telling him that dream.Well, I was writting my book(2005),which is a

little about every thing,including all my dreams,And I wrote down,"If you see me in your dreams,let me know".Are you

getting it?Next time I saw him ,He says"Dave I just had this dream of you,and you were like this big!Could anyone even make

this stuff up!I could just keep going,but I'm tired of typing!I could send you my book,well part 1 &2.Because I do know it

is a little political too,So it might not be accepted on this forum,Some people have said it's terrorist,without even

really looking at it.Yeah,I'm threatening to blow your mind!Once,when I was just starting on the book,I dreampt that

someone tore two pages out.I woke up,started looking for those pages,and of course, I found two pages missing.So,either I'm

still dreaming,or I'm going to become a martyr,and become an angel,so I can kill the invisable cat(SATAN).Maybe Il'l just

flip a coin!Don't worry,I'm not going to kill myself,that would disqualify me as a Martyr.I am smoking meth,to stay

awake,for as long as I can,so I don't dream,and then I'm so physically exhausted,I don't dream,then the cycle starts

over.And this stuff has been happening way before I even knew what drugs were!You should have seen what a mess I was,

before I did over 100 acid trips!And Dreams of prophecy,Out of body experiences,telepathy,Astral travelling,Far

Sight,Etc.My Chi was unleashed,in a moment of crisis.Etc.Etc.Calling forth lightening.OK stop,I say.Your turn.Dave Mosher

P.S. Insane People don't imagine things that other people can see,unless I really am dreaming all this.Have you see Lathe of Heaven?

Edited February 9, 2015 by hippydave

[ellapenella]

Yeah, like to the power of 10,000.I am starting a Journal of all my dreams,starting from my first recurring dream at age

three.I did, just last week have the funnyist nightmare ever.I drempt I was choking myself with my left hand,and wrestling

with my right hand,and the left was winning.But,in short,theyr'e getting worse,and closer together.One was about a year and

a half ago.OK,Here goes...I dreampt that I went to bed,and had a dream!In that dream,I dermpt a sheet of lead,or darkness

come over me.I couldn't talk or breath.I woke up,no I dreampt that I woke up,and told someone my nightmare,so I went back

to sleep,no, I dreampt that I went back to sleep!I had the same Nightmare of the sheet of lead or darkness,I woke up.No! I

drempt that I woke up again!And told someone my nightmare!I dreampt that same dream within a dream 7 times in a row,with no

variation. Then,about a year ago,I dreampt I was being electrocuted to death,But I was not afraid.,I said (to GOD),I am

ready to go,and I have learned all I can from this life. Then,Get THIS, a few months later,I walked out to my car,and right

in front of the car,there was a plant growing,and this plant smelled lke rotting flesh,and the neighbor took a picture of

it and looked it up online.I was called a DEATH LILY,and not even native to this hemisphere!The Amusement doesn't end

there!I was outside,writting a letter,all of sudden,a bee flew straight at me,like he was shot from a gun,and stung me

right between thumb and forefinger,where I was holding the pen.Well,the pen got flung out of my hand,and I got up and

picked it up.Just then , My friends came out,and I put My letter away.The next day,I went to start writting,where I left

off.Guess what word I was in the middle of spelling,when the bee stung me?That's right!The word "be".The letter "B" was

down,and I got stung.And by the way,that bee must have been flying backwards!In the history of the universe,has that ever

happened,or ever will.Someone did say,"he must have been a spelling bee",well,more like an anti-spelling

bee.Yeah,whatever!Could you forward this to Stephen King,Even he needs to get scared once in a while!And There's a whole

lot more,just scratched the surface.I just realized,maybe I am really dreaming right now!It might explain things.Ok,in

1974,or so,i dreampt of the invisable cat,that can fly,pass through walls,etc.And it wanted to suck my soul out of my

chest.So,in my dream,I was pretending to be asleep,to lure my nemisis in.When it started sucking my soul,I grabbed it with

my left hand,held it out,and said"I know who you are,and who sent you,and I have friends who will help me.Right there, the

phone rang in real life,and I woke up,and answered it.Of course I know you guessed that it was that person,that I said,in

my dream,that would help me. And said over the phone"I don't know why I called you!"You must be totally amused by now!

So,years later,I ran into that same person,never telling him that dream.Well, I was writting my book(2005),which is a

little about every thing,including all my dreams,And I wrote down,"If you see me in your dreams,let me know".Are you

getting it?Next time I saw him ,He says"Dave I just had this dream of you,and you were like this big!Could anyone even make

this stuff up!I could just keep going,but I'm tired of typing!I could send you my book,well part 1 &2.Because I do know it

is a little political too,So it might not be accepted on this forum,Some people have said it's terrorist,without even

really looking at it.Yeah,I'm threatening to blow your mind!Once,when I was just starting on the book,I dreampt that

someone tore two pages out.I woke up,started looking for those pages,and of course, I found two pages missing.So,either I'm

still dreaming,or I'm going to become a martyr,and become an angel,so I can kill the invisable cat(SATAN).Maybe Il'l just

flip a coin!Don't worry,I'm not going to kill myself,that would disqualify me as a Martyr.I am smoking meth,to stay

awake,for as long as I can,so I don't dream,and then I'm so physically exhausted,I don't dream,then the cycle starts

over.And this stuff has been happening way before I even knew what drugs were!You should have seen what a mess I was,

before I did over 100 acid trips!And Dreams of prophecy,Out of body experiences,telepathy,Astral travelling,Far

Sight,Etc.My Chi was unleashed,in a moment of crisis.Etc.Etc.Calling forth lightening.OK stop,I say.Your turn.Dave Mosher

P.S. Insane People don't imagine things that other people can see,unless I really am dreaming all this.Have you see Lathe of Heaven?

I'm not sure what to say 'cause I know you know exactly what I'm thinking , you have the gift Dave. I know you do, because I have it too.

It's an amazing capability. If you can only imagine . If I'm not awake ,please don't tell me. I don't want to know. I'm awake when I'm dreaming , I'm always awake when I'm dreaming , always dreaming when I'm sleeping , I'm awake, when i dream , only when I'm awake they're all asleep , the world is asleep . It frightens me so. I'm almost terrified to look . is anyone really there, anywhere ? I must be awake this time. it's not like the others , when I'm awake.

I hear an echo , it's distant , it's hurting me, stop, please stop. God make it stop, now . I have to wake up , wake me up, wake me up please, please wake me up, It stopped , the echo is gone now . Two massive monarchs are flying around my head, they're so big , like a summer sky , I like the sky in the fall most of all..

they're gone now ...am I wake ? I am I'm awake . And I can see you were saying something , oh no you weren't but i thought I heard your voice. I must of been dreaming I did. I was reading something, you were saying something , yes I was reading something you were saying . you wanted to see if heaven was a lathe , a lathe . you wanted to see heaven a lathe . you wanted to see heaven of the lathe,No that's not it. That's not it at all. you see heaven of lathe , you do . Is it pretty ? is it blue , is it real ? is it ? is this real ? Is any of this real?I think I had a dream today. I thought i dreamed of a dream i had when i was four . I'm sure I was dreaming . the ice was frozen , only half way, i didn't know , i didn't know. I stepped out and i could see the crystalline layer above me . reaching for the other side , i was far in the middle , my puppy ran, she left me there . I'm trembling cold. am i awake ,please tell me, am i awake.

Edited February 9, 2015 by Ellapennella

[hippydave]

OK,so I just had a revelation,since I posted this morning.Funny how things become more clear,when you air them out.So, this martyr thing only was thunk up 4 months ago,as a new hypothysis,to see if it would fit in the puzzle.Because they are trying to kill me,and I thought that they really didn't,and that led me to think of the martyr thing.Well,then they are,but I always skate out of it,because GOD is protecting me.Now that leads me to the "CHI" story.The Neo-Nazis are real,and they have a little book,with people they want to kill,and I'm in it.I think everyone knows this,and can at least accept the possibility of it.Well,one time that they attempted it,A supposed friend,finally pulled a knife on me,instantly my chi took over,and he was fumbling,and dropped the kife,he couldn't even pick it back up,and at the same time,during that instant,I had a vision of the gates of heaven,and the knife was the key that would open them.I really don't have any desire to thrown onto the bonfire!But everythig else Iv'e said,still holds true.Dreams of death,the beast(invisible cat),because I am the adversarys enemy,and in my book,I did force the beast to attack me,and every good general knows,if you force the enemy to attack,you learn his disposition,see his thought process,and also his weaknesses.I mean it scares me,and I wrote it!And I know you know,I don't really think that I'm actually dreaming this,I guess.But,my whole life,starting from my first memory,Iv'e been hated by everyone,including my mother,who tried to drown me at age 4,My Grandmother said I had "bad blood", at age 3.When my step-father was punching me out at age 13,my mother was jumping up and down,yelling at him to "get me".Which brings me to the most disturbing recurring nightmare of them all,in which I bludgen my mother and step-father to death,stuff them into a tire,and roll it down the hill,into the river.So,in other words,I don't want to dream any more.But even so,I am seeing more and more clearly,the true nature of the universe,GOD,and Magic.A true magician needs no props,chants,mandallas,herbs,colored sand.etc.Only pure will applied to the right spot.Becaue we live in a double "MATRIX",We ourselves,because we think,just we "SEE" something,and can reach out and thouch it,we think we are actually seeing the physical universe.No,Photons bounce off objects,pass through the eye to the retina,and then become electrical impulses,which go into the brain.There's not a little guy in there with a projector and a screen.It's a ganglion of neurons,which ,after 2 billion years of evolution,tells us that what wer'e seeing,is real.The second "MATRIX",is the universe itself,which is a ganglion of GODs Holy neurons.And all magic,ESP,etc.Is knowing that!In the Bible,it says GOD put Eternity into mans' mind.Which brings me to another little bit of wierdness.As a child,I had these experiences,where I saw an infitesimal point of light,in the center of my head,and I travelled there,and when I looked out,it seemed that everything was an infinite distance away,And one time,when I did that,I looked at my mother,and said"How come your'e so far away?"She still thinks it was some sort of eye problem.Another wierdness...I was a non-talker,until age 2 or so.And I do remember this,I all of a sudden,looked up at my Mother,and said"How do people talk?"And I still remember seeing my mothers' jaw hit the floor!Well,of course,I answered my own question!Now,I can't stop talking!Now,more on other peoples dreams.This is in my book.So I met this girl at a friends house.Well,she was beautiful,and when she kissed her girlfriend,to go,I said"where's mine?"And she Planted one,on the lips,that I will never forget!!!Well she came over to my house one night,we talked,and went to bed,but didn't have sex,OK,so she went to sleep,I didn't,because she pulled my arm over, and placed my hand on her breast!I was frozen for the whole night!When she woke,she told me,that she dreamed that I was KING of the world,except like Jim Carey!Two weeks later,on the first day in my new house,someone came over,and said "Jenny just got hit by a car,and is dead!"I did sort of had a vision of her walking on the road.But it was because she was 24,and I was 53,and she wanted a ride to my house,nobody would give her a ride,And after she died,everyone hated me even more.But what she told me is that she was sick of her family and friends telling her what to think.OK,so I was a little totally heart broken,way beyond beyond,and you'll see why.So when I started my book,a few years later,I wrote all that down.And one time,I read what I wrote about Jenny,her dream,and death,to my mother.Well my Mothers eyes just kinda glazed over!And She blurted out,that just before I was born,She(Mother)had a wakeing dream,that I was KING of the world,except like Jack Benny!Wut Up Wid Dat? P.S. The Lathe of Heaven is a movie !

[hippydave]

OK,so I just had a revelation,since I posted this morning.Funny how things become more clear,when you air them out.So, this martyr thing only was thunk up 4 months ago,as a new hypothysis,to see if it would fit in the puzzle.Because they are trying to kill me,and I thought that they really didn't,and that led me to think of the martyr thing.Well,then they are,but I always skate out of it,because GOD is protecting me.Now that leads me to the "CHI" story.The Neo-Nazis are real,and they have a little book,with people they want to kill,and I'm in it.I think everyone knows this,and can at least accept the possibility of it.Well,one time that they attempted it,A supposed friend,finally pulled a knife on me,instantly my chi took over,and he was fumbling,and dropped the kife,he couldn't even pick it back up,and at the same time,during that instant,I had a vision of the gates of heaven,and the knife was the key that would open them.I really don't have any desire to thrown onto the bonfire!But everythig else Iv'e said,still holds true.Dreams of death,the beast(invisible cat),because I am the adversarys enemy,and in my book,I did force the beast to attack me,and every good general knows,if you force the enemy to attack,you learn his disposition,see his thought process,and also his weaknesses.I mean it scares me,and I wrote it!And I know you know,I don't really think that I'm actually dreaming this,I guess.But,my whole life,starting from my first memory,Iv'e been hated by everyone,including my mother,who tried to drown me at age 4,My Grandmother said I had "bad blood", at age 3.When my step-father was punching me out at age 13,my mother was jumping up and down,yelling at him to "get me".Which brings me to the most disturbing recurring nightmare of them all,in which I bludgen my mother and step-father to death,stuff them into a tire,and roll it down the hill,into the river.So,in other words,I don't want to dream any more.But even so,I am seeing more and more clearly,the true nature of the universe,GOD,and Magic.A true magician needs no props,chants,mandallas,herbs,colored sand.etc.Only pure will applied to the right spot.Becaue we live in a double "MATRIX",We ourselves,because we think,just we "SEE" something,and can reach out and thouch it,we think we are actually seeing the physical universe.No,Photons bounce off objects,pass through the eye to the retina,and then become electrical impulses,which go into the brain.There's not a little guy in there with a projector and a screen.It's a ganglion of neurons,which ,after 2 billion years of evolution,tells us that what wer'e seeing,is real.The second "MATRIX",is the universe itself,which is a ganglion of GODs Holy neurons.And all magic,ESP,etc.Is knowing that!In the Bible,it says GOD put Eternity into mans' mind.Which brings me to another little bit of wierdness.As a child,I had these experiences,where I saw an infitesimal point of light,in the center of my head,and I travelled there,and when I looked out,it seemed that everything was an infinite distance away,And one time,when I did that,I looked at my mother,and said"How come your'e so far away?"She still thinks it was some sort of eye problem.Another wierdness...I was a non-talker,until age 2 or so.And I do remember this,I all of a sudden,looked up at my Mother,and said"How do people talk?"And I still remember seeing my mothers' jaw hit the floor!Well,of course,I answered my own question!Now,I can't stop talking!Now,more on other peoples dreams.This is in my book.So I met this girl at a friends house.Well,she was beautiful,and when she kissed her girlfriend,to go,I said"where's mine?"And she Planted one,on the lips,that I will never forget!!!Well she came over to my house one night,we talked,and went to bed,but didn't have sex,OK,so she went to sleep,I didn't,because she pulled my arm over, and placed my hand on her breast!I was frozen for the whole night!When she woke,she told me,that she dreamed that I was KING of the world,except like Jim Carey!Two weeks later,on the first day in my new house,someone came over,and said "Jenny just got hit by a car,and is dead!"I did sort of had a vision of her walking on the road.But it was because she was 24,and I was 53,and she wanted a ride to my house,nobody would give her a ride,And after she died,everyone hated me even more.But what she told me is that she was sick of her family and friends telling her what to think.OK,so I was a little totally heart broken,way beyond beyond,and you'll see why.So when I started my book,a few years later,I wrote all that down.And one time,I read what I wrote about Jenny,her dream,and death,to my mother.Well my Mothers eyes just kinda glazed over!And She blurted out,that just before I was born,She(Mother)had a wakeing dream,that I was KING of the world,except like Jack Benny!Wut Up Wid Dat? P.S. Lathe of Heaven is a movie!

[hippydave]

P.S. P.S. OOPS!

[ellapenella]

I looked up The Lathe Of Heaven Earlier ....In the day ....

Edited February 10, 2015 by Ellapennella

[ellapenella]

Goodnight ...

[ellapenella]

I think i was a weird kid . One that would wake up just as the Sun was lighting up my world . I'd change out of my nightgown and into something else in a rush to get to see the neighborhod as it wouldn't be explored when all was awake. while my mother slept . She had no clue of all the ventures i went on.

I would go anywhere I wanted to with no fear of what could happen . I have fear though now of what could happen . because things did happen. and it burried something in me. It wasn't my innocence it was something even greater. anyway. there was this pond that I loved so much . I would go to it everyday . i would sit there and daydream into the water, the clearest water was at the egde. My daydreams would often reveal visions to me of what was to be. I'm not lieing about this. I had no one to share that with. I think i didn't know how to share it.I think I didn't realize that it wasn't just a dream . Time would become thick like , like cloudy and even though time was it was not moving I could see the distant in time , the relaxing feeling was so good , I loved that feeling, whenever it would happen. picture a movie on a screen in your mind project it outward , i would see the day unfold.It was a blast . I would see who would say what and what would be said. who would fall down and who would be pick what we played, I would see who who befriend me for a while and later betray me and push me down . but I never knew a true friend, at least not to me. I never felt that magic in anyone, and maybe I never will . How could that be explained then or even now. People would only mock and say wow that girl is strange, as if they don't. When my dreams are not dreams, but I am asleep, I know this now, before it happens ,as it happens I tell my mind , to be brave ,be prepared, meet fear.. I know before it happens . I hear a buzzing sound, like a tube swirling in the air, that sound it makes, that sound. It's hypnotic and relaxing it soothes me it trances my mind , i know as it's happening but I'm so relaxed, i give in to it, and before i know it, I'm awake ,but I'm dreaming and someone is there is here . My heart begins racing so fast it feels invisable , and I'm now approaching fear. i know i have to hide this emotion because it will only harm me. So i try to cover my feelings , it doesn't really work , because inside me I know he knows my mind , he's able to read my mind and i think that i figured it out and that's why he was giggling at me.I know I'm traped -when it happens. I can feel the walls vibrating , they're alive too you know, but i won't say it outloud ,because I realize that I'm not alone anymore ,if everything is alive , and can feel , something else has to be alive that i can't see , i feel like i'm being watched by it , who would of thought that wood and rocks and building we're alive . the sky is between hours of dusk and dawn i don't know if the Sun will rise or fall. I don't think it will do anything actually, not right now anyway. It's just so desolate , not a soul but me, not a soul but me , that doesn't feel good to know , it can't be . it's just me and this being . He's really tall .and his in my room, that's where he enterd first . he's still there , he doesn't follow me as i'm by the window , I can't believe how desolate the world is , where is everyone ,not even a bird in sight, it's so silent outside , there's noone , i don't want to go back into the room, but I have to .He's not from here but he's able to take me into here, his realm, after he takes me out of here ,from mine, from that sound , and I'm here and i'm awake but i'm sleeping and he is still here, on my bed , he's laying down , watching me , but I don't want to go near , I'm in a dream , and i can't wake up . and I just want to wake up and all i want to do more than anything I can think of is to just wake myself up . this is not happening, this is unusual, usually am able to wake up . I realize that it's a dream right, but not really a dream as it's happening right , my body is sleeping. But it's not me in it anymore . I go to a window again somehow , I see outside , it's so desolate , it's like the same world I know only it's not the material world i know, it's like a copy of it, exactly the same make of it. but it's only me and this being in it right now, just us , how can this be, and I'm so scared . I'm terrified I'm trying to wake myself and I can't wake myself . I feel like I won't ever wake up , and I'm terrified of him. i don't want to be here anymore. Why is he doing this is all i can think, besides hiding the reality of how scraed I felt . He seems to know me but i don't know him , I don't know where he came from . He looks at me with a smile , and his face, is so beautiful, majesticly angelic and i can't tell if he's giggling at me because he's knows how scared I am and that i want to wake up but i can't . i have to hide my thoughts from him , all i can do is hope he doesn't know I fear him. and I hope he can't . And I realize the walls can feel and I feel them as they vibrate . This is all new to me . it's like magic but it's real . I hope god can feel my fear are my thoughts andwill make this stop. it's not fair, we're not the same , he's not like us , he's real but not born like we are. i'm weaker than him , I'm no challange . He can destroy me at anytime , at any second in a second if he wants to . Am I suppose to know this being is all i can think . Does he realize how scared I am , my fear is vibrating through every part of me . i'm like a rabbit and he's like a wolf. what does he want . And so now he says we're going from here , he doesn't say it outloud , it's not like that , but i hear him somehow. He's really fierce , I can't exagerate his stature , he's too strong . Suddenly I feel this sensation of movement it's too fast to understand , i think i'm gonna be sick , but i'm not gonna be . he laughs at me for this. now , the movement stopped . I don't see him but I know he's here . I can feel his presence there's darkness everywhere . are we really , we're in space, how is this possible, we're in a covering of some sort ,I'm not allowed to see to much . it's peaceful and my fear is gone . I see this one planet , he's back , he's showing me something , I'm looking and i see it , he wants me to see there's a planet behind that planet and they're moving , it looks like the planet behind it in the distant is moving closer to the plant it was behind, he wants me to see this , he wants to be sure i see this. I see this planet it's there and it's huge , there's a red planet , I think it's red , it's coming closer , it's showing itself , it was hidden , behind the darker planet , it's going to move infront of the huge planet that was hiding it .And so now I felt myself hit the bed , not too hard , like i was place there , I'm back in my bedroom thankful ....to be awake ....and then i realized it wasn't over, he's still here with me I can't begin to express the feeling of doom I'm having about this reality .... somehow it's him that won't allow me to wake , there's something he wants before i awake . he pulls me close and I know , i drop my head backward and cry in my mind god is everywhere over ,and, over, and ,over, and,over. I remember wanting to wake so badly that i knew If i didn't that I may not ever and I never could If i didn't. I remember the walls were vibratiing with life and I was able to feel it , everything, even the air was as a vibration wave that eminenced in and out of time and everything imaginable became known to me because of this being's presense... the fear I felt i don't want to ever feel again , and I can't figure out why god wasn't felt like i thought god would be felt , i thought god would allow for me to at least wake up . And then suddenly I see the red planet again and I'm back in the darkness , only it's not a place I'm at it's a vision now, and i see this hand crash out from the center of this planet clay colored redish like and the texture seems like what you might think a gargoyle hand would look like. It was a dreadful looking hand . I didn't exspect that . I hear the buzzing of that sound again , it's comforting , it's close and it's strong , i can feel it, i hear it now fading softly , it's fading softly in the distance , it's softly fading in the distance and i'm sensing that i miss the sound even already while I'm slowly waking , I'm awake and it's for real this time . I'm finally awake. Freaked out but awake. I remebered something i left out it's about that being , I saw two small horns protruding out from his forhead when he was giggling at me as he layed on my bed . they came about two inches from above his eyebrows.It was pretty wild to see it happen . I almost forgot about that. Good thing it was a dream, right...

[ellapenella]

Edited February 13, 2015 by Ellapennella