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[SpiritWriter]

Yeah I guess basically just break down its usefulness. Ive read some where this opens you up to spiritual attack. Ive astral projected once, it was spontaneous and seemed to have a message. I dont want to get banned for saying this so mod you can just snip this next part if you need to but I want to be honest and let you know I was high on marijuana at the time... so later on in life I heard of this astral projection thing again and tried to do it but was unsuccessful. I was able to lift my spiritual arms out of my physical arms and then pretty soon I had a spirit wanting to use my arms, this was an invasion of another spirit. I still wanted to astral travel but I would always ask for protection. It seems like the protection was the prevention of the projection thereafter... and im just wondering... whats the point anyway?

Please tell your warnings (actual bad experiences, AP gone bad...) ... as well as the spiritual usefulness of this practice. I am interested in growing spiritually in the areas of love, positivity, following God, and helping others in the areas of spiritual and mental healing...

If these practices wouldn't help me in any of those areas what are they good for? Please let me know...

Edited by SpiritWriter, 15 January 2013 - 02:07 AM.

[Professor T]

I've had at least 2 spontanious AP events..
And I think I'm getting close to being about to do it intentionally..

What's the point??
Well, for me, the point is seeing and knowing.. Am sick of people telling people what the spirit world and the beyond is all about, I want to make up my own mind and if that means going strait to the source then I will. I guess though, that an interest in understanding consiousness has lead me to trying to astral project.. since then........and I'm being 100% honest here..........my consiousness has opened like a flower.. I understand and percieve more than I ever have. I havn't consiously AP'd yet, but from what I've learned so far, just trying seems to open you up to all sorts of possibilities that were previously closed to you.. Whether these possibilies open you up to negative entities, i think, depends on your self. But as I havn't done it yet, I really don't know, except that the entities I've met bordering hypogagicly & in spontanious travels have seemed friendly enough..

[SpiritWriter]

Yeah my spontaneous one my guide was cool, nothing scary at all... some of my meditations I have met some questionable characters however.. this is probably like mental astral travel as apposed to spiritual asral travel perhaps, vivid meditation.... I agree that even trying has opened me up spiritually. Thanks for your response T

Edited by SpiritWriter, 15 January 2013 - 02:30 AM.

[SpiritWriter]

I see nobody is really replying to this. I am not mocking it my question is actually serious.. hopefully someone(s) will post their perspectives...

[Alij]

i haven't gotten any responses for mine either in the dream forum...i had some that i dont understand. Ive never been fully able to AP either-tho ive had close calls.And fear is what keeps me from it most of the time even when i pray, ask for protection or visiualize a white light force feild around me...doesn't help

[SpiritWriter]

Alij, on 18 January 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

i haven't gotten any responses for mine either in the dream forum...i had some that i dont understand. Ive never been fully able to AP either-tho ive had close calls.And fear is what keeps me from it most of the time even when i pray, ask for protection or visiualize a white light force feild around me...doesn't help

The white light doesn't help with your fear? I think its better not to go if your afraid. You dont (always) beat fear by facing it, that can make you even more fearful because your going into an unknown realm of the spirit. Fear is not of god... Only when you are at complete peace will you not be afraid. I have experienced the supernatural in both states.  I would hate for you to end up in a terrorizing situation or for this experiment to be a gateway. Negative entities can influence your regular life as well and your family, this can be long lasting. I have read a couple other websites about AP gone wrong even though I havent heard anyone mention it on this site. I looked it up because no one answered my question here and im glad to get several imputs. I dont know how I can presume to give you advise when ive never done self induced astral projection ... but I would continue to pray and be in the presence of god and ask for peace.. peace peace peace.... much can be revealed to you in this state even without AP but maybe after awhile you'll get the chance... I hope so, and I hope it is a great and meaningful experience for you!

I really dont mean to scare you that is not my intention. I want to AP myself but ONLY if it is spiritually beneficial. Let me know how it goes..

Edited by SpiritWriter, 19 January 2013 - 12:57 AM.

[White Unicorn]

SpiritWriter, on 16 January 2013 - 04:04 AM, said:

I see nobody is really replying to this. I am not mocking it my question is actually serious.. hopefully someone(s) will post their perspectives...

The point to me is expanding your consciousness and gaining knowledge.

People in their normal awareness are asleep to other kinds of conscious realities that can expand, encompass and link them with others in a profound way.  The biggest secret for me is that you must go within to a center that exists between your subconscious and conscious mind, because it is the connection to the subconscious level that connects to the higher levels of awareness.  You are attuned to several layers of consciousness at once when it's controlled both lower levels and higher.

When you attain that,  it becomes very useful in the "real" world, you can know how things are being shaped into reality by the thoughts and actions of others combined. You can see things that happen in reality when you aren't physically there. It's the stuff of prophesy in a way.

[Leah G.]

I'm a psychic and I think it's overrated and really scary if you don't do it right. Sure it can open some doors for like remote viewing and communication with the dead but if not done right it's absolutely terrifying. I prefer to do the same basic things threw meditation and leave my sleeping time for dreaming and letting my body recover from the days activity.

[White Unicorn]

Leah G., on 19 January 2013 - 01:35 AM, said:

I'm a psychic and I think it's overrated and really scary if you don't do it right. Sure it can open some doors for like remote viewing and communication with the dead but if not done right it's absolutely terrifying. I prefer to do the same basic things threw meditation and leave my sleeping time for dreaming and letting my body recover from the days activity.

I think that's very good advise for most people.

[SpiritWriter]

White Unicorn, on 19 January 2013 - 01:26 AM, said:

The point to me is expanding your consciousness and gaining knowledge.

People in their normal awareness are asleep to other kinds of conscious realities that can expand, encompass and link them with others in a profound way.  The biggest secret for me is that you must go within to a center that exists between your subconscious and conscious mind, because it is the connection to the subconscious level that connects to the higher levels of awareness.  You are attuned to several layers of consciousness at once when it's controlled both lower levels and higher.

When you attain that,  it becomes very useful in the "real" world, you can know how things are being shaped into reality by the thoughts and actions of others combined. You can see things that happen in reality when you aren't physically there. It's the stuff of prophesy in a way.

This is how I feel about dream drawing. I meditate while drawing. I let my hands just draw whatever they want, it is very much like dreaming. The images speak to me, I understand the message and understand about creation. You just described (more articulately that I would probably have) the benefits of that practice. .

Thanks for your insight WhiteUnicorn

[Leah G.]

SpiritWriter, on 19 January 2013 - 02:14 AM, said:

This is how I feel about dream drawing. I meditate while drawing. I let my hands just draw whatever they want, it is very much like dreaming. The images speak to me, I understand the message and understand about creation. You just described (more articulately that I would probably have) the benefits of that practice. .

Thanks for your insight WhiteUnicorn

That's basically automatic writing and you leave yourself open for all sorts of things if you don't do that right too.... Hope you are protecting yourself!!

[SpiritWriter]

Leah G., on 19 January 2013 - 02:54 AM, said:

That's basically automatic writing and you leave yourself open for all sorts of things if you don't do that right too.... Hope you are protecting yourself!!

Thank you. Yes I am. This has something to do with why a spirit tried to possess my arms as I stated above. I have a longer story but I know the two incidences are related. I also had a devil jump in me like a month and a half ago (that NEVER happened to me before dispite all the other wierd sh i have encountered!) and I had to pray it off of me. I am so glad i knew to do that. I had to struggle with it. It really tried to take controll of me but i got rid of it. I know exactly why it happened and I changed my behavior.Thank you for your warnings... I do pray and always ask for what is good and holy and beneficial and clear out devils etc.... I wont stop praying. Thanks again.

Edited by SpiritWriter, 19 January 2013 - 07:29 AM.

[Seeker79]

The purpose is about self learning. Ap puts you into a state where indeed you are exposed to your deepest truths. These obstacles and the lessons of control you gain transfer into every aspect of your life. For me, after going through the tumulchuous and ever on going learning curves. I have come to see everything in a much deeper capacity. Human struggles and mischief seem like I'm watching kindergardners on a play ground. Everything has meaning and there are no accidents. If you become adapt at ap you will see things and connections in your life and throughout your day. An ever present matrix of related events and connectivity. Dreams open up to extreme possibilities. Sometimes I dream entire sagas. My mind through probably just practice and the generation of nural pathways is so aware of my dreams that the experiences become deeply apart of me. All of my endevours in my life are practiced and honed in virtual environments that I am conciousness of. My creativity has exploded. Haveing lived in various virtual sagas and fully integrated the experiences I feel like I have lived those lives. It's quite amazing to actually feel like a seasoned zombie hunter fuly equiped with the martial ability to protect people. I have been a spy, a warrior, a magician, dragon slayer, a lover, a writer, a priest, various animals and even a tree. These are dreams, but the ap and meditation practice is what expanded my awareness to be able fully realize the training i receive in dreams. The control of emotions makes nightmares into fun movies, and good dreams into heavenly experiences. I have even learned deep things about human physical intimacy and relationships. Every human has a piece of their spirit to share.

It wasn't without its challenges. As I think I'm emerging out on the productive end of all this right a the end there I went through an dramatic and mysterious hormonal change. Doctors don't know what has happened. At one point I thought I had male breast cancer and was literally growing a left breast. It stopes thank god, but I had the hardest time convincing one of my doctors that I had not taken steroids. Which would be an anthema to me. It was very frustrating.

No that it's over, my dreams and experiences have exploded. My creativity is relentless. My seven year old and I are now writting a series's of children's books together. He writes, I suggest edit and format. I will be self publishing things for kids from everything relating to nature and life processes to dreams to safety. As my kids ( my five year old will join us soon) write about subjects they will obsorb them in ways that traditional school cannot possibly give them.

What is the Benifit of AP. to expand your awareness. Your awareness is you and as it expands so do you.

Just my thoughts, I hope it helps.

Edited by Seeker79, 24 January 2013 - 03:32 PM.

[SpiritWriter]

Seeker79, on 24 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

The purpose is about self learning. Ap puts you into a state where indeed you are exposed to your deepest truths. These obstacles and the lessons of control you gain transfer into every aspect of your life. For me, after going through the tumulchuous and ever on going learning curves. I have come to see everything in a much deeper capacity. Human struggles and mischief seem like I'm watching kindergardners on a play ground. Everything has meaning and there are no accidents. If you become adapt at ap you will see things and connections in your life and throughout your day. An ever present matrix of related events and connectivity. Dreams open up to extreme possibilities. Sometimes I dream entire sagas. My mind through probably just practice and the generation of nural pathways is so aware of my dreams that the experiences become deeply apart of me. All of my endevours in my life are practiced and honed in virtual environments that I am conciousness of. My creativity has exploded. Haveing lived in various virtual sagas and fully integrated the experiences I feel like I have lived those lives. It's quite amazing to actually feel like a seasoned zombie hunter fuly equiped with the martial ability to protect people. I have been a spy, a warrior, a magician, dragon slayer, a lover, a writer, a priest, various animals and even a tree. These are dreams, but the ap and meditation practice is what expanded my awareness to be able fully realize the training i receive in dreams. The control of emotions makes nightmares into fun movies, and good dreams into heavenly experiences. I have even learned deep things about human physical intimacy and relationships. Every human has a piece of their spirit to share.

It wasn't without its challenges. As I think I'm emerging out on the productive end of all this right a the end there I went through an dramatic and mysterious hormonal change. Doctors don't know what has happened. At one point I thought I had male breast cancer and was literally growing a left breast. It stopes thank god, but I had the hardest time convincing one of my doctors that I had not taken steroids. Which would be an anthema to me. It was very frustrating.

No that it's over, my dreams and experiences have exploded. My creativity is relentless. My seven year old and I are now writting a series's of children's books together. He writes, I suggest edit and format. I will be self publishing things for kids from everything relating to nature and life processes to dreams to safety. As my kids ( my five year old will join us soon) write about subjects they will obsorb them in ways that traditional school cannot possibly give them.

What is the Benifit of AP. to expand your awareness. Your awareness is you and as it expands so do you.

Just my thoughts, I hope it helps.

Thank you seeker

I used to be a zombie slayer too btw and I didnt like it at all...    it was the worste time of my life actually but I was good at it..

Can I ask you another question.. can you help people in real life with your projection, or is this only for your own mind... for example can you go conquer other peoples demons or heal them with light? Or any other type of psychic persuasion etc... In your opinion...

Edited by SpiritWriter, 24 January 2013 - 07:03 PM.

[SpiritWriter]

Seeker79, on 24 January 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

It wasn't without its challenges. As I think I'm emerging out on the productive end of all this right a the end there I went through an dramatic and mysterious hormonal change. Doctors don't know what has happened. At one point I thought I had male breast cancer and was literally growing a left breast. It stopes thank god, but I had the hardest time convincing one of my doctors that I had not taken steroids. Which would be an anthema to me. It was very frustrating.

No that it's over, my dreams and experiences have exploded. My creativity is relentless. My seven year old and I are now writting a series's of children's books together. He writes, I suggest edit and format. I will be self publishing things for kids from everything relating to nature and life processes to dreams to safety. As my kids ( my five year old will join us soon) write about subjects they will obsorb them in ways that traditional school cannot possibly give them.

Oh and sorry about your medical problems glad its ok and good job@ the book w your kid etc..