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#1    White Crane Feather

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:06 AM

I'm sort of curious. Does anyone think conscious evolution is possible, and then what is the out come?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:14 AM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 19 August 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

I'm sort of curious. Does anyone think conscious evolution is possible, and then what is the out come?

If you're talking about willing yourself to evolve then no. That would require being able to manipulate your individual makeup on the genetic level using only your mind. Not possible.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:18 AM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 19 August 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:


If you're talking about willing yourself to evolve then no. That would require being able to manipulate your individual makeup on the genetic level using only your mind. Not possible.

What about evolution of the mind?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 07:52 AM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 19 August 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

I'm sort of curious. Does anyone think conscious evolution is possible, and then what is the out come?

Yes, it is called "breeding". How do think modern farm animals evolved?

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:40 AM

I think you could try to evolve your mind, but not your body. Being able to evolve your body would be like shapeshifting, which isn't really possible.
But I've heard through meditation, spiritual kind of deeper thinking stuff, you could try to evolve your own mind. Find some sort of peace, or gain some sort of knowledge. Achieve higher thinking and whatnot.
I don't really know what the outcome would be, but I'm thinking you'd just have a better view and insight into things. You'd know your mind, soul and body better, and possibly you could connect to the earth as well.

Or maybe if you trained your body and worked it well enough, you could evolve your body to a small degree, making it fit and strong, your kids might inherit that as well. Like the children of overweight people tend to be overweight, as skinnier people's kids are skinny like them. I've heard that it can actually be passed down from parents, but it could also just be from the lifestyle.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:46 AM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 19 August 2013 - 06:06 AM, said:

I'm sort of curious. Does anyone think conscious evolution is possible, and then what is the out come?

I think so..
Consciousness as far as I'm aware is all about placing your intention & awareness into things-anything.. As such, conscious evolution might be as simple as spawning a new idea take takes the world by storm..

I forget the name of the book.. but it was the first time ever-in history- That people could read a story in the omnipotent 3rd person, or something like that.. all of a sudden this book caused something of a conscious evolution among readers, who for the first time could enjoy a story from a perspective never before experienced, a perspective that moved like a ghost on the outside towards the inner-most thoughts and feelings of the characters.. Prior to that dear reader, I the narrator doth placeth thy word in eloquent prose upon the page..

Edited to add: oh Crud.. This is the Spirituality & religion Forum, are you talking about strait consciousness or Genetic alteration?

Edited by Professor T, 19 August 2013 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 09:16 AM

View PostNighthawk9653, on 19 August 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Or maybe if you trained your body and worked it well enough, you could evolve your body to a small degree, making it fit and strong, your kids might inherit that as well.

???????????????
Are you kidding? Did they teach you that at school???

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:03 AM

View Post_Only, on 19 August 2013 - 06:18 AM, said:

What about evolution of the mind?

The OP said "conscious evolution" not "consciousness evolution" which isn't the same thing.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:57 AM

I think that was the goal of the Nazis to breed better humans.  What they didn't understand is diversity is what drives evolution.  If you look at what we have done with breeding dogs we have not done all that well with it. Pedigreed dogs have a lot health issues caused by breeding. Sometime what one thinks is a bad genetic  trait turns out to be something you need in the mix.  It could be done with all the gene manipulation we can do, but is it something we really want to do. Might end up with something worse than what we started with.

It would be nice if we could evolve to be more suited for space travel, though.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:51 PM

Individuals do not evolve, populations do.

Jeesh.

Zaphod had it right:

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Yes, it is called "breeding". How do think modern farm animals evolved?

Conscious evolution = selective breeding program.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:09 PM

View PostProfessor T, on 19 August 2013 - 08:46 AM, said:

I think so..
Consciousness as far as I'm aware is all about placing your intention & awareness into things-anything.. As such, conscious evolution might be as simple as spawning a new idea take takes the world by storm..

I forget the name of the book.. but it was the first time ever-in history- That people could read a story in the omnipotent 3rd person, or something like that.. all of a sudden this book caused something of a conscious evolution among readers, who for the first time could enjoy a story from a perspective never before experienced, a perspective that moved like a ghost on the outside towards the inner-most thoughts and feelings of the characters.. Prior to that dear reader, I the narrator doth placeth thy word in eloquent prose upon the page..

Edited to add: oh Crud.. This is the Spirituality & religion Forum, are you talking about strait consciousness or Genetic alteration?

That wasnt 'The Celestine Prophecy' by any chance was it?


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Posted 19 August 2013 - 02:33 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 19 August 2013 - 10:03 AM, said:

The OP said "conscious evolution" not "consciousness evolution" which isn't the same thing.

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I'm aware. I brought up the mind because you did. You felt you can't evolve using only the mind. But you're pigeon holing evolution to physical genetics. Evolution as a species has the ability to make progress with the mind. New ideas, new ways of seeing, new concepts understood, etc. The grasping of an idea, conscious will to understand it and use it, and spread your understanding with others to better your lives and the species as a whole, and spreading it to new generations, who build on it and develop it more? This is conscious evolution, and likely doesn't involve any predetermined double helix.

I believe this is what evolution will mainly be once we no longer need to protect ourselves physically, as technology starts to remove that necessity (it already has started to).

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 08:22 PM

View Post_Only, on 19 August 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

I'm aware. I brought up the mind because you did. You felt you can't evolve using only the mind. But you're pigeon holing evolution to physical genetics. Evolution as a species has the ability to make progress with the mind. New ideas, new ways of seeing, new concepts understood, etc. The grasping of an idea, conscious will to understand it and use it, and spread your understanding with others to better your lives and the species as a whole, and spreading it to new generations, who build on it and develop it more? This is conscious evolution, and likely doesn't involve any predetermined double helix.

I believe this is what evolution will mainly be once we no longer need to protect ourselves physically, as technology starts to remove that necessity (it already has started to).

No, I replied based on the word the OP used. If he's not clear enough for you take it up with him, not me.

I'm not pidgeon holing anything. Evolution is based on physical genetics. One doesn't decide they no longer want blonde hair and blue eyes, so will themselves to change the genetics involved in order to become a redhead with green eyes. It doesn't work that way. And "conscious evolution" in this regard would be physical evolution that one notices themselves as opposed to "consciousness evolution" and possibly to a degree "conscience" evolution. The latter two of which would be mental evolution and should not be confused with the former.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:02 PM

I was referring to conscious control over our evolution. I mean deciding what traits we will have in the future. But not just things like hair color, I mean complete control over our genetic capabilities and life itself. Imagine growing a starship or growing network technology instead building it, but growing it inside of your mind.I can imagine human beings merging with everything Maybe  in ways we have not thought of yet.

I'm interested in the subject because of ray curswell. He seems to think technology will grow to the point where we will be able to consciously control our entire existence and the Hunan race will merge into some sort of super being. This makes me wonder in the billions of years this universe has been around and the infinite spans before it was here if it has not already happened.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 10:21 PM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 19 August 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:

I was referring to conscious control over our evolution. I mean deciding what traits we will have in the future. But not just things like hair color, I mean complete control over our genetic capabilities and life itself. Imagine growing a starship or growing network technology instead building it, but growing it inside of your mind.I can imagine human beings merging with everything Maybe  in ways we have not thought of yet.

I'm interested in the subject because of ray curswell. He seems to think technology will grow to the point where we will be able to consciously control our entire existence and the Hunan race will merge into some sort of super being. This makes me wonder in the billions of years this universe has been around and the infinite spans before it was here if it has not already happened.

Which is pretty much what I understood you to mean. And you really can't call it evolution as none of the traits you, or anyone else, decides on would have evolved. What you are really talking about is genetic manipulation, and while the extent to which you're referring to is not currently possible it 'may' become possible in the future. Although I really have to question whether it's a good idea or not.

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