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[docyabut2]

Harte, on 30 December 2012 - 02:04 AM, said:

OH GOD NO!!! Not again!

Here.

Harte

right harte so how many years have we been over this ? people just don`t get it:)

[Imaginarynumber1]

I think zoser edited the wiki page on artificial cranial deformation:

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The Paracas situation is somewhat unique in that researchers Juan Navarro and Brien Foerster have found the presence of at least 5 distinct shapes of elongated skulls, each being predominant in specific cemeteries. The largest and most striking are from a site called Chongos, near the town of Pisco, north of Paracas. These skulls are called "cone heads" by many who see them, because of their literal conical appearance. Testing of these have illustrated that, on average, the cranial capacity is 1.5 liters, approximately 25% larger than contemporary skulls, and weigh as much as 60 percent more. Also, eye orbit cavities are significantly larger than contemporary skulls, and the jaws are both larger and thicker. Moreover, the presence of 2 small holes in the back of the Chongos skulls, called foramen, indicate that blood flow and perhaps nerves exited the skull at the back in order to feed the skin tissue. This would seem to indicate that nature did this, and not cranial deformation.^{[13][dubious – discuss]}

[seeder]

Imaginarynumber1, on 30 December 2012 - 02:32 AM, said:

I think zoser edited the wiki page on artificial cranial deformation:

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Id like to believe that..but what makes you think that? I did a line by line comparison with his post and your link....didnt see anything? Mind you I am 6 beers worse for wear at 2.50 am!!

Besides I already debunked the 2 holes in the skull argument...

Edited by seeder, 30 December 2012 - 02:52 AM.

[Imaginarynumber1]

seeder, on 30 December 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

Id like to believe that..but what makes you think that? I did a line by line comparison with his post and your link....didnt see anything? Mind you I am 6 beers worse for wear at 2.50 am!!

Just the unsubstantiated claims about brain cavity size, eye orbit and using that Brian guy he's been plugging the last 50 or so pages as a source.

I'm only half joking about think that he edited it.....

[seeder]

Imaginarynumber1, on 30 December 2012 - 02:53 AM, said:

Just the unsubstantiated claims about brain cavity size, eye orbit and using that Brian guy he's been plugging the last 50 or so pages as a source.

I'm only half joking about think that he edited it.....

fair enough...Ibut he should know with a person like me (and certain others)  on his case - he'd get rumbled pretty quick. Did you see the previous things I posted about this being a birth condition that still happens today? How can he get round that one?

Actually - I know...he'll post another vid and go do the distraction tactic! Rather than eat humble pie in face of mounting scientific evidence  


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Edited by seeder, 30 December 2012 - 03:02 AM.

[Imaginarynumber1]

seeder, on 30 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

fair enough...Ibut he should know with a person like me (and certain others)  on his case - he'd get rumbled pretty quick. Did you see the previous things I posted about this being a birth condition that still happens today? How can he get round that one?

Actually - I know...he'll post another vid and go do the distraction tactic! Rather than eat humble pie in face of mounting scientific evidence  


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I was gonna say, he'd just post another vid about something completely different. I gave up on this tread quite so time ago. There isn;t even debate with someone like zoser. He switches topics and moves goalposts so much that it's not worth the time.

[Slave2Fate]

Imaginarynumber1, on 30 December 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

I was gonna say, he'd just post another vid about something completely different. I gave up on this tread quite so time ago. There isn;t even debate with someone like zoser. He switches topics and moves goalposts so much that it's not worth the time.

I still lurk about this thread but my participation has waned along with my interest in banging my head against a wall of willful ignorance. I'm not sure what zoser's game is but I can tell you it has nothing to do with honest investigation or learning at all.

[Gaden]

Slave2Fate, on 30 December 2012 - 04:09 AM, said:

I still lurk about this thread but my participation has waned along with my interest in banging my head against a wall of willful ignorance. I'm not sure what zoser's game is but I can tell you it has nothing to do with honest investigation or learning at all.

We're like minded. It's not a debate when posts with real evidence are simply ignored, and facts are poo poed in favor of ludicrous assumptions.

[Abramelin]

seeder, on 29 December 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

I did offer an answer Abe, by the expert! did you miss it a page or 2 back? And the ones that followed?

page 233,  post 3492..then forwards to  modern day babies and deformed skulls, with text/link supplied re damage caused, or not

Yes, I read that, but I wanted to know the effects of head binding on someone's psyche and the other health effects. When they have grown up that is.

I did post something myself a while ago, and here it is again:

Deformed, "alien" skulls, and health effects

The above skull shows how gross deformation of the skull can affect the venous drainage system. There are many different types of normal and pathological variations in the design of the skull, as well as different types of strains and deformation of the skull and spine. Some problems we inherit, others are acquired through disease, aging and injuries.  Some are clearly visible, others are not so easily seen or recognized. One thing is becoming readily clear with modern MR angiograms, venograms and cine MR however; that is, strains and deformation of the upper cervical spine and base of the skull can cause chronic venous back pressure (edema), decreased arterial blood flow (ischemia) and decreased CSF flow, which has been linked to NPH, Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease.

http://uprightdoctor...sign-and-ccvbp/

http://www.unexplain...showentry=25938

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Edited by Abramelin, 30 December 2012 - 06:15 AM.

[Abramelin]

Zoser, you can show Foerster this too; it's from the same specialist of my former post:


The method of artificial skull deformation used in Peru and Bolivia caused the sutures of the skull to remain open from the inside to the outside into adulthood when they should have at least started to close on the inside. To me this suggests an increase in intracranial pressure. Increased intracranial pressure in children is often due to hydrocephalus and that is how I got started looking into hydrocephalus and neurodegenerative diseases.

At first, when looking at the skulls like the one above, I thought the physicians or shamen of the day had unintentionally caused hydrocephalus due to the skull deformation similar to the consequences of extreme craniosynostosis. Then it occured to me perhaps they were trying to treat hydrocephalus. Why else would people go to such extremes?

Similar to skull deformation, hydrocephalus is as old as humans are. It's my opinion that humans are predisposed to hydrocephalus and skull deformation due to upright posture and the unique design of the skull, spine and circulatory system of the brain. The key sign in hydrocephalus is a rapidly developing oversized head. People, community healers and especially mother's most likely knew the signs of hydrocephalus long before recorded history. The signs are easy to see.

Closer inbreeding in tight knit mountain and valley communities of Peru and Bolivia could have passed on a genetic skull design flaw such as an undersized cranial vault relative to the size of the brain. As mentioned above, craniosynostosis can cause an increase in intracranial pressure but so can a condition called craniodysostosis such as an undersized base of the skull, especially the posterior fossa.

Rather than hydrocephalus perhaps they were attempting correction of craniosynostosis. But this seems hardly likely since the outcome was far worse if the object was correction and restoration of normal shape and symmetry. On the other hand, if they were attempting correction of hydrocephalus, they were far more successfull at it than their western contemporary physician counterparts before the advent of shunts. The reason why is because judging by their molar teeth they obviously lived to be adults. In western cultures, before shunts, children were often severely mentally impaired and died young as a result of hydrocephalus. That would make the physicians or shaman of the former indiginous people of Peru and Bolivia smarter than we give them credit for doing what they did. Fortunately today, due to shunts, children can, in many cases, live normal lives.

Unfortunately, we can only guess why the former indigenous people of Peru and Bolivia performed intentional skull deformation on so many of their infants. Suffice it to say however, the extreme skull deformation altered the flow of blood and CSF which may have compensated for the hydrocephalus or it opened new pathways.

http://www.upright-h...eformation.html

[Colonel Rhuairidh]

Myles, on 29 December 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

This is not anything to support alien visitation.   It is more time travel than alien visitation. To think that much advanced aliens would use 1940's era human helicopter technology is absurd.

1940s era? That looks more like a Mi-28 Havoc than anything, I'd say. So whatever can we make of that?

[seeder]

Abramelin, on 30 December 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

. To me this suggests an increase in intracranial pressure. Increased intracranial pressure in children is often due to hydrocephalus and that is how I got started looking into hydrocephalus and neurodegenerative diseases.

as per bold, could also tie in with the need to do crude but effective ancient trepanning...

Edited by seeder, 30 December 2012 - 08:13 AM.

[Abramelin]

seeder, on 30 December 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

as per bold, could also tie in with the need to do crude but effective ancient trepanning...

Yes, to relieve the pressure.

These guys were not aliens, but they were not idiots either.

[DingoLingo]

seeder, on 30 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

fair enough...I but he should know with a person like me (and certain others)  on his case - he'd get rumbled pretty quick. Did you see the previous things I posted about this being a birth condition that still happens today? How can he get round that one?

Actually - I know...he'll post another vid and go do the distraction tactic! Rather than eat humble pie in face of mounting scientific evidence  
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My great nephew while doesn't have a cone head.. actually had a condition where his eyes etc were very close together.. he had surgery just before christmas.. where they basically split the front part of this skull open and moved it apart..

if they didn't it would have killed him but they didn't his skull would have looked very similar to the starchild skull by the time he died..


sorry I just saw how many spelling mistakes I had in that I just had to correct it

when I talk to my niece again I will ask what his condition was called..

Edited by DingoLingo, 30 December 2012 - 08:40 AM.

[Abramelin]

DingoLingo, on 30 December 2012 - 08:22 AM, said:

My great nephew while doesnt have a cone head.. actually had a condition where his eyes etc were very close together.. he had surgery just before christmas.. where they basically split the front part of this skull open and move it apart..

if they didnt it would have killed hit but they didnt his skull would have looked very similar to the starchild skull by the time he died..

Zoser mentioned the different shape of the eye sockets a couple of times, but all that can be explained by hydrocephalus and the Incan way (head binding) to cure it. If the bones of the brain cavity can be remodeled, than so can the other bones near it.

Personally I find the idea I posted about in my former post quite intriguing: that head binding could have been a way to succesfully cure hydrocephalus, and that inbreeding in tight knit mountain and valley communities of Peru and Bolivia could have passed on a genetic skull design flaw, a flaw that caused hydrocephalus.