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#1    Yamato

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:02 PM

I've heard it said here that you have to answer a cop when he's asking you questions.  I don't know if these posters were foreigners or what made them think that way, but that erroneous belief implies that our right to remain silent only begins after we're under arrest, an absurd notion.

This ex-cop teaches us how to deal with police when they're giving us any line of questioning about anything, by standing up for our rights and not losing them to the verbal games cops play:


Here's an example of applying the advice above and breathing through the nose:


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:06 PM

Unfortunately, while these tactics might work in some neighborhoods they might get you beat down and arrested by the police in another when it would just be easier to cooperate, be polite, and be on your way if you are not guilty of anything.

Playing the tough guy who "knows their rights" or acting like a  rebel with cops is not advisable in all areas.

If being pulled over turn off your car, pull the keys out of the ignition and place them on the dash, turn on your dome light, roll down your windows, and keep both hands on your steering wheel.

Be polite.

Edited by The world needs you, 09 July 2013 - 01:07 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:23 PM

View PostThe world needs you, on 09 July 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:


If being pulled over turn off your car, pull the keys out of the ignition and place them on the dash, turn on your dome light, roll down your windows, and keep both hands on your steering wheel.

Be polite.
All of which has to do with making the cop's job easier and absolutely nothing to do with defending your rights.  

You'll have to show some evidence that these tactics will get you beat down in some neighborhoods.  I don't know, maybe on the internet somewhere.  Good luck.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:28 PM

View PostThe world needs you, on 09 July 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Unfortunately, while these tactics might work in some neighborhoods they might get you beat down and arrested by the police in another when it would just be easier to cooperate, be polite, and be on your way if you are not guilty of anything.

Playing the tough guy who "knows their rights" or acting like a  rebel with cops is not advisable in all areas.

If being pulled over turn off your car, pull the keys out of the ignition and place them on the dash, turn on your dome light, roll down your windows, and keep both hands on your steering wheel.

Be polite.
I just noticed you responded to my post in four minutes after I published it and the first video is 15 minutes long so you don't even know what "these tactics" are.  They're not "playing the tough guy". You just sided with the state again as usual, even if you don't even pay attention enough to know what you're talking about.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 01:38 PM

I just think you have to be careful.  For example, I wouldn't recommend doing this with the New Orleans PD during Mardi Gras.

Yes, you are within your rights.  You've also just taken a hell of a beat down and every cop there will testify that you provoked it.

Or perhaps you'll find yourself standing on the side of the road watching your car get ripped apart because the K9 "responded positively" when they brought him over to give you the sniff.  Whoops, our bad.  We didn't find anything.  Have fun putting your back together Mr. Johnny Cochrane Constitutional Lawyer Smart Guy and, no, you can't sue us because we had probable cause.

It reminds me of when I was learning to drive and I liked to tell my Dad "but I have the right-of-way" and he'd say, "yes you do and that will look really good on your tombstone."

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:08 PM

Thanks for posting these videos Yamato. Very insightful, really.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 02:27 PM

View PostRafterman, on 09 July 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

I just think you have to be careful.  For example, I wouldn't recommend doing this with the New Orleans PD during Mardi Gras.

Yes, you are within your rights.  You've also just taken a hell of a beat down and every cop there will testify that you provoked it.
Is there such a precedent case you can refer me to?  That would be tragic if someone didn't sue for damages and teach the police department a lesson in respecting rights.   Maybe you've stumbled on one of the real problems with this country - kids being taught how to fear authorities, to conform and comply to such a degree they're living below their rights instead of within them.

View PostKowalski, on 09 July 2013 - 02:08 PM, said:

Thanks for posting these videos Yamato. Very insightful, really.
You're so welcome!   I hope they help someone here, I really do.  I think a problem is that some people are very resistant to receiving the help.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:02 PM

View PostYamato, on 09 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Is there such a precedent case you can refer me to?  That would be tragic if someone didn't sue for damages and teach the police department a lesson in respecting rights.   Maybe you've stumbled on one of the real problems with this country - kids being taught how to fear authorities, to conform and comply to such a degree they're living below their rights instead of within them.
Some of them you had better be afraid of.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostYamato, on 09 July 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

I just noticed you responded to my post in four minutes after I published it and the first video is 15 minutes long so you don't even know what "these tactics" are.  They're not "playing the tough guy". You just sided with the state again as usual, even if you don't even pay attention enough to know what you're talking about.


Aha well observed...If that doesn't spell out - You are caught lovely, I don't know what does...

Poor Brittany  ...I bet your face is beaming with embarrassment  lol :P

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:08 PM

View PostHilander, on 09 July 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

Some of them you had better be afraid of.
I agree, but not helpless in the face of them.

We seem to be missing many of the great Constitutional debates that are supposed to be happening in our House and Senate before they vote on the bills they pass.   We seem to be missing many of the great Constitutional defenses in our judicial branch that people bring to bear in the defense of their rights.   I don't know why the bureaucrats don't care enough to come to the floor and have these debates.  I don't know why the courts don't receive the case work.   I believe if we don't use the Constitution we lose the Constitution.   We've got to change the oil, replace the battery, inflate the tires and take it for a spin or we're going to wind up being afraid of a lot more than we are today.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

View PostYamato, on 09 July 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Is there such a precedent case you can refer me to?  That would be tragic if someone didn't sue for damages and teach the police department a lesson in respecting rights.   Maybe you've stumbled on one of the real problems with this country - kids being taught how to fear authorities, to conform and comply to such a degree they're living below their rights instead of within them.


It happens all of the time in the Big Easy.  It happened to a friend of mine back in college.  He even had to pay a fine to keep himself out of jail.

AS to kids, how many are even taught the Constitution in school anymore?  Sure, they're taught who signed it and when and probably taught a lot about the more politically correct amendments, but how many are really taught the Bill of Rights and what it means?

Edited by Rafterman, 09 July 2013 - 03:37 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:35 PM

View PostYamato, on 09 July 2013 - 01:28 PM, said:

I just noticed you responded to my post in four minutes after I published it and the first video is 15 minutes long so you don't even know what "these tactics" are.  They're not "playing the tough guy". You just sided with the state again as usual, even if you don't even pay attention enough to know what you're talking about.

Doubtful everyone who posts here, in agreement or not, will waste 16 1/2 minutes of their life watching these videos.

First video, first two minutes was enough of that rubbish. Saw the second one. My opinon remains the same after seeing the FlexYourRights videos several years ago which are higher quality than the ones provided in the OP and with less antagonistic rhetoric about "we are a police state." We are not a police state. Even in neighborhoods with higher police saturation.

My advice remains the same, treat the police with respect and if you are doing nothing wrong there is nothing to worry about. Someone getting hurt and/or arrested by doing otherwise will be on them and those who encourage immature behavior. Unlike some we appreciate the job and the service provided by our law enforcement officers. When some do get out of line we ask for accountability but advising everyone to act belligerent and declare their rights is just foolish and far from anything resembling street smarts.

What is most immature about it is the time it would waste when an officer could quickly move on and be available for more important matters.

Edited by The world needs you, 09 July 2013 - 03:50 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:52 PM

Just dont be a dick. If you know you've commited an offence then stay tight lipped.

If the officer asks you for your drivers license, ownership, and proof of insurance and you refuse. Well expect to be removed from the Car.

You have the right to remain silent, but sometimes that causes more harm then good. If you are just trying to be a dick expect to have a hard time. Remember most cops would be just as happy to give you a warning if you are curtious (or at least reduce the offence) but wont hesitate to give you the full penalty if you are a dick.

Defend your rights but don't be a dick.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:10 PM

Indeed.

Most of these videos are produced by:

A. Those who did not grow up or live in areas with high police saturation. Having seen and knowing people who were shot growing up, now having someone recently get gunned down two houses down in front of their child and then having some teens shot down the block means you want good relations with the police.

B. Those who are not licensed to carry a concealed handgun. Of course everyone who does already knows to immediately show the officer your CHL along with your DL and insurance and to inform him/her a firearm is on your person.

Being polite can also indeed get you off with a warning. It has me!

Edited by The world needs you, 09 July 2013 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:25 PM

Volunteer as little information as possible, and be compliant to the point that its not obstructing, and don't be a dick like posted above as it just gives the police a reason to get violent.





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