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#16    Coffey

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:28 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 14 June 2012 - 08:04 PM, said:

Then I am proud to be part of nature and eat other animals. Stay in your plastic world.

Sorry but this is the most ignorant excuse I have ever read for eating meat.

Naturally humans are omnivore. Not to get the best of both, but to give us a better survival chance in the WILD. Not in cities where we can buy any food product. There is no nutriant or anything you can't get from other sources that you get in meat. Fungi, soya beans etc etc all supply the same nutriants as meat.

How is slaughtering millions of animals every day and pumping out millions of polution natural?

Hunting your own food for survival is natural. Over Farming (industrial farming) is not the same thing at all. To even think it is, is downright stupid.

I'm not against eating meat, people can do what they want. But to use the "natural" excuse is jsut stupid. Especially when you eat animals that are not naturally kept and pumped full of unnatural drugs.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:38 PM

View PostCoffey, on 14 June 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Sorry but this is the most ignorant excuse I have ever read for eating meat.

Naturally humans are omnivore. Not to get the best of both, but to give us a better survival chance in the WILD. Not in cities where we can buy any food product. There is no nutriant or anything you can't get from other sources that you get in meat. Fungi, soya beans etc etc all supply the same nutriants as meat.

How is slaughtering millions of animals every day and pumping out millions of polution natural?

Hunting your own food for survival is natural. Over Farming (industrial farming) is not the same thing at all. To even think it is, is downright stupid.

I'm not against eating meat, people can do what they want. But to use the "natural" excuse is jsut stupid. Especially when you eat animals that are not naturally kept and pumped full of unnatural drugs.

Why do all these psycho-sects insist in a meat less diet and lots of activity? Because your brain ceases to be alert and you are easier to brainwash. And that also includes some extreme vegetarian currents.

Now, do we need to eat 10s of pounds of meat every week? No we don't, and we should not just considering the amount of work and material that goes into growing this meat. But a meatless humanity will end up in trees like Bonbobos. And will then, for a change, be eaten by some other predator.

And that is the bottom line: You eat or or you are the pray. Where I repeat: just because you want to eat something you don't have to torture it first. And that is the only difference between something "humane" and a pack of wolves.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 08:49 PM

I highly doubt that the wolves consider their killing an animal torture, it is nature. You keep saying the same things but don't see the point that was trying to be made. Some animals raised for human consumption are treated inhumane. Responsible animal farmers are a far cry from the large corporations.
I don't think that you give domesticated animals enough credit either, just a side note. Pigs have no problems living without humans, chickens will get along fairly well, horses, sheep, and cows can also go back to the wild. Most of what you have been saying is your opinion, not based upon any sort of facts.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:05 PM

View Postjgorman628, on 14 June 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

I highly doubt that the wolves consider their killing an animal torture, it is nature. You keep saying the same things but don't see the point that was trying to be made. Some animals raised for human consumption are treated inhumane. Responsible animal farmers are a far cry from the large corporations.
I don't think that you give domesticated animals enough credit either, just a side note. Pigs have no problems living without humans, chickens will get along fairly well, horses, sheep, and cows can also go back to the wild. Most of what you have been saying is your opinion, not based upon any sort of facts.

Allow me to ask: where can you find a wild cow? A wild house pig? And I am not talking wild boar, I am talking the variety you find in stables. The fact of the matter is that most domesticated animals cannot survive, house pigs will die of an heart attack the first time they are chased by anything. The only thing that we have in our stables and that has a fair chance are goats. And that only because a commercial selection of goat traits for breeding was never really conducted. The rest have lost their wild instincts and abilities  to a greater degree than a dog has and are so vulnerable to all kind of diseases that they could not survive more than a generation out in the great wilds. Any milk cow, even if she has 5 calves, would stand in the morning and in the evening in front of the stable in need to be milked. Meat animals are so over-bred that they can hardly move in a natural way (if we exclude open grassland Herefords, and they in turn are so dependent on antibiotics that the first cold would convert them into a scavenger meal).

The only ones to benefit from releasing them are the predators and scavengers, they will have some easy meals. But rather than leaving it to them I'll eat 'em myself. The predators have enough deer and rabbits to pray on.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:38 PM

I eat meat from all sources so I can't say anything, but stilI wonder if these "engineered" commercial "farm" animals even have the same nutrients and health benefits for humans as they once did. Are there any non engineered animals left? I've heard it said that commercial milk cows are an aberration. But how else do you supply so many people?
But I somehow (to feel better?) can't equate commercial chicken farming with whale slaughtering.


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Posted 14 June 2012 - 09:39 PM

View Postjgorman628, on 14 June 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

I highly doubt that the wolves consider their killing an animal torture, it is nature. You keep saying the same things but don't see the point that was trying to be made. Some animals raised for human consumption are treated inhumane. Responsible animal farmers are a far cry from the large corporations.
I don't think that you give domesticated animals enough credit either, just a side note. Pigs have no problems living without humans, chickens will get along fairly well, horses, sheep, and cows can also go back to the wild. Most of what you have been saying is your opinion, not based upon any sort of facts.

You are spot on and wrote that very well. :tu:

View Postquestionmark, on 14 June 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

Why do all these psycho-sects insist in a meat less diet and lots of activity? Because your brain ceases to be alert and you are easier to brainwash. And that also includes some extreme vegetarian currents.

Now, do we need to eat 10s of pounds of meat every week? No we don't, and we should not just considering the amount of work and material that goes into growing this meat. But a meatless humanity will end up in trees like Bonbobos. And will then, for a change, be eaten by some other predator.

And that is the bottom line: You eat or or you are the pray. Where I repeat: just because you want to eat something you don't have to torture it first. And that is the only difference between something "humane" and a pack of wolves.

There is no fact in what you just wrote... It's pure nonsense. We can't become prey to anything with how evolved we are. Oh and jsut to prove your theory is completely wrong... Elephants..... They aren't prey and are herbivores....

Humans are evolved so far and are super predators, we can't go back to living in trees. lol We should use our intelligence to farm sensibly and use our empathy and morals to treat animals with respect. Not torture them. If eating meat gives me your level of intelligence then I don't want to ever eat it. LOL


View PostQuiteContrary, on 14 June 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

I eat meat from all sources so I can't say anything, but stilI wonder if these "engineered" commercial "farm" animals even have the same nutrients and health benefits for humans as they once did. Are there any non engineered animals left? I've heard it said that commercial milk cows are an aberration. But how else do you supply so many people?
But I somehow (to feel better?) can't equate commercial chicken farming with whale slaughtering.

You raise some very good points there.

Milk can be subsituted, but also the animals could be treated better. Bi products aren't too bad if the animals where given more respect and treated better in healthy conditions.

The engineered side is a huge reason that when I did neat meat. (I've stopped now) I would only touch free range and organic. If you worry about the horrible stuff pumped into them then stick to free range and organic.

We do lie to ourselves a lot, not everyone but a lot of people do. Like we pretend farm animals are dumb and can't feel etc. lol It's just a way of coping with it for some people.

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Posted 14 June 2012 - 10:30 PM

Hi guys, I've read all these posts,from chickens thru wolves, but the post is about WHALES, and a few nasty remarks have crept in...very sad, Humans are top of the food chain and will eat almost anything ,snakes ,insects even dogs and cats, in some countries, but eating WHALES could cause a big problem in the animal /fish food chain as WHALES could become Extinct, through unecessary killing,not that most Humans would bother about that I suppose,but I do. So leave the WHALES alone, humans have caused more animals/birds extinctions than any other species on this god-damn planet, and its time we Stopped..

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 05:30 AM

It's been said for years now, the only way the "scientific research" will stop is when Westerners stop trying to tell the Japanese what to do. There's massive anti-whaling support in Japan until someone like Greenpeace or the Australian government speaks up and then the anti-whalers go silent because of an enculturated offence at "losing face".

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 06:09 AM

View PostWearer of Hats, on 15 June 2012 - 05:30 AM, said:

It's been said for years now, the only way the "scientific research" will stop is when Westerners stop trying to tell the Japanese what to do. There's massive anti-whaling support in Japan until someone like Greenpeace or the Australian government speaks up and then the anti-whalers go silent because of an enculturated offence at "losing face".

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 07:39 AM

I wonder if any of the "unsold" whale meat is what has found its way into the US and a few restaurants charged with selling whale meat as sushi recently.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:30 AM

If Whales go extinct because of overkill,the plankton would increase and develop so you eventually could have 10 million jelly fish washing up on your favourite beach, and the smell of rotting jelly fish is quite horrible..or maybe some other nasty would expand its species.Or maybe I'm wrong ?.

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 09:34 AM

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If Whales go extinct because of overkill,the plankton would increase and develop so you eventually could have 10 million jelly fish washing up on your favourite beach, and the smell of rotting jelly fish is quite horrible..or maybe some other nasty would expand its species.Or maybe I'm wrong ?.

Squid as well i think. Don't they eat jelly fish? And Sperm whales eat squid... So I think Squid would be as well. Both jelly fish and squid are already rising in numbers aren't they?

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Posted 15 June 2012 - 11:48 AM

View PostCoffey, on 15 June 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Squid as well i think. Don't they eat jelly fish? And Sperm whales eat squid... So I think Squid would be as well. Both jelly fish and squid are already rising in numbers aren't they?

Yes, Japan's waters are being smothered by giant jellyfish growing larger than usual and in massive numbers (they reproduce with an incredibly efficient method just discovered). And the jellyfish are killing the tiny organisms other life eat as well. Just by them passing through their filtering mechanism it kills the zooplankton. Japan's fishing is suffering as well from them.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 01:48 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 14 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Allow me to ask: where can you find a wild cow? A wild house pig? And I am not talking wild boar, I am talking the variety you find in stables. The fact of the matter is that most domesticated animals cannot survive, house pigs will die of an heart attack the first time they are chased by anything. The only thing that we have in our stables and that has a fair chance are goats. And that only because a commercial selection of goat traits for breeding was never really conducted. The rest have lost their wild instincts and abilities  to a greater degree than a dog has and are so vulnerable to all kind of diseases that they could not survive more than a generation out in the great wilds. Any milk cow, even if she has 5 calves, would stand in the morning and in the evening in front of the stable in need to be milked. Meat animals are so over-bred that they can hardly move in a natural way (if we exclude open grassland Herefords, and they in turn are so dependent on antibiotics that the first cold would convert them into a scavenger meal).

The only ones to benefit from releasing them are the predators and scavengers, they will have some easy meals. But rather than leaving it to them I'll eat 'em myself. The predators have enough deer and rabbits to pray on.

Why don't you do your own research? If you are truly interested in the truth then please do some research before creating opinions. A dairy cow may not go feral but beef cows will and do, feral cows in Texas. Pigs will go boar within months and never be able to be domestic again, that giant boar killed in Georgia, Hogzilla. Feral horses in the western US. Why don't you check it out for yourself? I refuse to give you any sort of links, there is no need for me to do the research for someone who ignores the truth.

Since you hold these opinions, how do you feel about our domestic plants? Do you believe that wheat or corn will not survive in the wild?

Humans are far more dependent upon our domestic animals than most of them are on us.


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Posted 15 June 2012 - 02:00 PM

View Postjgorman628, on 15 June 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Why don't you do your own research? If you are truly interested in the truth then please do some research before creating opinions. A dairy cow may not go feral but beef cows will and do, feral cows in Texas. Pigs will go boar within months and never be able to be domestic again, that giant boar killed in Georgia, Hogzilla. Feral horses in the western US. Why don't you check it out for yourself? I refuse to give you any sort of links, there is no need for me to do the research for someone who ignores the truth.

Since you hold these opinions, how do you feel about our domestic plants? Do you believe that wheat or corn will not survive in the wild?

Humans are far more dependent upon our domestic animals than most of them are on us.

Well, if you talk feral cows in Texas you have come to the right address, because there is hardly anything about cattle ranching in Texas I would be ignorant of. Those "feral" are kept alive with tons of medications and rounded up for health checks every  so often. Just because they stamped around the grassland does not mean that they could survive there without human help. And I highly doubt that any of the existing cow breeds can. And surely none of them live in Texas.

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