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[Soul Kitchen]

Leonardo, on 02 May 2011 - 01:09 PM, said:

When two EM fields intersect, there are regions within that intersection where forces are diminished, strengthened or repel each other. It is possible to levitate a magnet, for example, in an electric field. It is also possible for one charged object to be repelled by another, or attracted.

The force involved may be tiny, and result in a minute weight-loss, but that is exactly what has been witnessed, a very minute weight-loss when the bodies internal electric field 'switches off'. Gravity might not be the only force pulling us to Earth.

So by mere consciousness, an electromagnetic field is created enough so that it can give the impression of weight? By attracting to the earth's gravity?

I know little of neuroscience, but could everyone have such a similar amount of power to generate this em field?

And aren't there people whose brains slowly fade from consciousness as they approach death? I suppose it would be irrelevant if the people were weighed a while after their death, but I'm still unsure of the EM theory. Perhaps I just don't understand it so well.

[Soul Kitchen]

Mattshark, on 01 May 2011 - 02:12 PM, said:

But is not claiming the human soul, of which there is no evidence for, conjecture and hence unscientific. Simply saying it is this is a completely unjustifiable conclusion.

Noone imposed it upon you as a definite scientific conclusion.
It's merely an exciting possibility that is worth exploring.

[Leonardo]

Soul Kitchen, on 02 May 2011 - 11:09 PM, said:

So by mere consciousness

Not by the fact of being conscious, Soul Kitchen. Our very weak EM field is a result of the chemistry of our bodies. I also am not saying this field and gravity (which is not an EM phenomenon) coincide, but that our EM field has a very slight attraction to the EM field(s) produced by the Earth.

I have not investigated this idea, so it is only speculation, but I propose it as a possible explanation for the otherwise unexplained weight-loss in the deceased.

[Soul Kitchen]

Leonardo, on 03 May 2011 - 07:22 AM, said:

Not by the fact of being conscious, Soul Kitchen. Our very weak EM field is a result of the chemistry of our bodies. I also am not saying this field and gravity (which is not an EM phenomenon) coincide, but that our EM field has a very slight attraction to the EM field(s) produced by the Earth.

I have not investigated this idea, so it is only speculation, but I propose it as a possible explanation for the otherwise unexplained weight-loss in the deceased.

That is a very outlandish theory, but impressively so.
I thought it was established science and I was alarmed at having heard nothing of it, but I now realize you were only speculating. It sounds very believable, though.
You really should look into it more, it could be the explanation.

Anyways, so every living human being apparently has a positive or negative charge? Which one would it be, positive or negative? It shouldn't be hard to determine.
Does the gravity of the earth have a similar charge? Does it coincide with that of our bodies?
Or am I misunderstanding the nature of em fields and gravity?

I'm pretty sure that such attraction results from positive and negative charges.

[=Jak=]

Soul Kitchen, on 04 May 2011 - 01:46 AM, said:

Anyways, so every living human being apparently has a positive or negative charge?

If I m right, every living being has a positive and negative charge inbuilt.  Without negative circuit will be incomplete and with the help of gravity everything is grounded.

[=Jak=]

danielost, on 30 April 2011 - 02:21 PM, said:

when i said remove all electricity from a computer i meant all including the battery.  when it is all gone you lose everything.  and if you plug it back in you have to reload everything,  the reason you don't have to reload when you turn it off, is because of the battery.

Ok, its dead. We take some other energtic thing for example. Take battery, if its energy all sucked out it is dead.  Only rechargeable battery can be charged that too for limited times. So If we weight a battery before charge and after charge how much difference we see.  

We think the battery is dead.  But even a normal battery recharge itself from nature, if we leave it unused.

Like that dead human may be having some hidden energy in it, otherwise we can't find its dna/body.  It will decompose in seconds.

I am not sure.

[Soul Kitchen]

=Jak=, on 04 May 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

If I m right, every living being has a positive and negative charge inbuilt.  Without negative circuit will be incomplete and with the help of gravity everything is grounded.

But gravity is not the result of magnetic charges, or certain objects would be repelled.
Such is not the nature of gravity. But gravity somehow has a charge anyways, though...

[devilmaycare]

You missed a reference it seems.
http://longstreet.ty...t-the-soul.html
Hildegard of Bingen (ca. 1098-1179) was a polymathic religious visionary1, composer and writer who was a well-know intellectual whose work attracted the attention of people at all levels, not the least of which were several popes  In one version of the manuscript of her 150,000-word work, Scivias (Scito vias Domini, or "Know the Ways of the Lord" ) we find the following illumination, which is basically an image of the object that contains the nameless stuff of the human soul:

The image above—from the Wiesbaden manuscript and unfortunately only in a black-and-white, and found in Charles Singer's From Magic to Science (1928)2--shows Hildegard's vision of the soul entering the body.

It is an extraordinary thing, trying to represent what gives the human-ness to people as seen from a 12th-century perspective, and in Hildegard's version/vision it is the soul, the very essence of the birth and death cycle of human nature.  It is resident as we see within a special place in the sky, the "the wisdom of god" (Singer page 226), and it passes from the vault of heaven into the fetus while still within the mother's womb.  It is in this square, evidently, that the essential matter of the creator can be found, and within that structure can be seen the essence of the stuff of human nature that is about to pass into the developing fetus through the tube-like connection. As Singer writes, quoting (loosely?) from the manuscript: "down this [the tube] there passes into the child a bright object, described variously as 'spherical' and as 'shapeless' which 'illuminates the whole body' and becomes or develops into the soul." (Singer, p. 226).


Notes
1. Hildegard said that she had these vision's from a very early age, beginning at about age 3.
Sadly she failed to count them.

Edited by devilmaycare, 17 May 2011 - 06:47 AM.

[Soul Kitchen]

devilmaycare, on 17 May 2011 - 06:11 AM, said:

You missed a reference it seems.
http://longstreet.ty...t-the-soul.html
Hildegard of Bingen (ca. 1098-1179) was a polymathic religious visionary1, composer and writer who was a well-know intellectual whose work attracted the attention of people at all levels, not the least of which were several popes  In one version of the manuscript of her 150,000-word work, Scivias (Scito vias Domini, or "Know the Ways of the Lord" ) we find the following illumination, which is basically an image of the object that contains the nameless stuff of the human soul:

The image above—from the Wiesbaden manuscript and unfortunately only in a black-and-white, and found in Charles Singer's From Magic to Science (1928)2--shows Hildegard's vision of the soul entering the body.

It is an extraordinary thing, trying to represent what gives the human-ness to people as seen from a 12th-century perspective, and in Hildegard's version/vision it is the soul, the very essence of the birth and death cycle of human nature.  It is resident as we see within a special place in the sky, the "the wisdom of god" (Singer page 226), and it passes from the vault of heaven into the fetus while still within the mother's womb.  It is in this square, evidently, that the essential matter of the creator can be found, and within that structure can be seen the essence of the stuff of human nature that is about to pass into the developing fetus through the tube-like connection. As Singer writes, quoting (loosely?) from the manuscript: "down this [the tube] there passes into the child a bright object, described variously as 'spherical' and as 'shapeless' which 'illuminates the whole body' and becomes or develops into the soul." (Singer, p. 226).


Notes
1. Hildegard said that she had these vision's from a very early age, beginning at about age 3.
Sadly she failed to count them.

But it may be one of those things that vary with the person percieving them.

[Ranyhyn]

Answer to the OP: 16 grams. I have it on good authority.

That is, superstitious old-folks-home caretakers who're redoing their education, and ended up in my class.

Edited by Ranyhyn, 19 May 2011 - 11:01 PM.

[daviddee]

danielost, on 26 April 2011 - 12:13 AM, said:

i would think the soul as a form of energy(living energy), thus to measure it you would use volume.

I have to agree, I think it is a form of energy ...living energy so it could be measure as volume, or it should be measured as volume..

I did read somewhere that some people were on there bed when dieing and when they did they lost 2 punds right at the point there heart stop......interesting nevertheless.....


David Dee

[vitruvian12]

daviddee, on 23 May 2011 - 02:24 AM, said:

I have to agree, I think it is a form of energy ...living energy so it could be measure as volume, or it should be measured as volume..

I did read somewhere that some people were on there bed when dieing and when they did they lost 2 punds right at the point there heart stop......interesting nevertheless.....


David Dee

If it has any sort of volume it would be easy to locate its place in the body wouldnt it? If it is energy why would you measure it in volume and not some unit of energy?

[Soul Kitchen]

vitruvian12, on 23 May 2011 - 04:43 PM, said:

If it has any sort of volume it would be easy to locate its place in the body wouldnt it? If it is energy why would you measure it in volume and not some unit of energy?

Wouldn't it be a rather minute volume?
The proposed weight is fairly small.

[vitruvian12]

Soul Kitchen, on 24 May 2011 - 04:52 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be a rather minute volume?
The proposed weight is fairly small.

That would depend on the density. Perhaps we will have to wait for someone to identify that value through an equally poor experiment.
If it has volume and mass isnt it matter rather than energy? If it is energy it should be measured in appropriate units.

[Soul Kitchen]

vitruvian12, on 24 May 2011 - 01:41 PM, said:

That would depend on the density. Perhaps we will have to wait for someone to identify that value through an equally poor experiment.
If it has volume and mass isnt it matter rather than energy? If it is energy it should be measured in appropriate units.

Matter contains energy. The problem is that people, in their heads, visualize energy as a form of matter. Energy isn't a tangible thing in itself, it is more of a phenomenon.