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#16    AsteroidX

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:10 PM

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Broadly speaking - each department requires more money each year to deal with an increase in demand for their services as the US population continues to exponentially increase, as well as meeting any increases in their underlying costs due to inflation.

In addition, more money is required within the budget to repay the interest on the Government's debt, each year, as deficits continue.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:18 PM

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Broadly speaking - each department requires more money each year to deal with an increase in demand for their services as the US population continues to exponentially increase, as well as meeting any increases in their underlying costs due to inflation.

In addition, more money is required within the budget to repay the interest on the Government's debt, each year, as deficits continue.

And that rate of increase, is set by law.  Doesn't matter if they need it or not.  On the other hand, if they need more than what the law says they get, they get thte higher amount.

If we weren't spending more than we bring in, we wouldn't interest payments.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:43 PM

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At least according to her Deputy Communications Director. I have never, and I rarely use absolute terms, confused a thousand with a million. 170 million or 170,000,000 doesn't really resemble 170 thousand or 170,000. I don't see how the average person could confuse the two. And even if they did they would have realized it immediately and corrected it. Not have their Deputy Communications Director do it at a later time.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:49 PM

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At least according to her Deputy Communications Director. I have never, and I rarely use absolute terms, confused a thousand with a million. 170 million or 170,000,000 doesn't really resemble 170 thousand or 170,000. I don't see how the average person could confuse the two. And even if they did they would have realized it immediately and corrected it. Not have their Deputy Communications Director do it at a later time.

She was likely thinking of her reelection funding goal for the day when she said 170million. Politicians dont think about jobs except there own.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:55 PM

View PostBama13, on 01 March 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

At least according to her Deputy Communications Director. I have never, and I rarely use absolute terms, confused a thousand with a million. 170 million or 170,000,000 doesn't really resemble 170 thousand or 170,000. I don't see how the average person could confuse the two. And even if they did they would have realized it immediately and corrected it. Not have their Deputy Communications Director do it at a later time.

She is a corrupt idiot who likes to fire for effect.   In her mind that number, 170M, is just as true as 170,000 because she truly hasn't a clue of what she talking about.  The pres will give her a pass, just like they cut out Moochelle's little screw up and her voter base, which is solidly stupid, will ensure, sadly for us, that she stays in congress.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 12:42 AM

View PostTiggs, on 01 March 2013 - 05:05 PM, said:

Broadly speaking - each department requires more money each year to deal with an increase in demand for their services as the US population continues to exponentially increase, as well as meeting any increases in their underlying costs due to inflation.

In addition, more money is required within the budget to repay the interest on the Government's debt, each year, as deficits continue.

Given that inflation is negligible and has been decreasing the past two years and US population growth is 124th in the World at .90 (CIA World Fact Book), having a roughly 2% budget cut leaving the budget still larger than it was just last year shouldn't really be that disastrous, should it?

Methinks the likes of Obama, Waters,  Reid, etc. are going to get called on their bluff on this one.

http://www.usinflati...nflation-rates/
http://en.wikipedia....ion_growth_rate

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:21 AM

View PostBama13, on 01 March 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:



At least according to her Deputy Communications Director. I have never, and I rarely use absolute terms, confused a thousand with a million. 170 million or 170,000,000 doesn't really resemble 170 thousand or 170,000. I don't see how the average person could confuse the two. And even if they did they would have realized it immediately and corrected it. Not have their Deputy Communications Director do it at a later time.

So you do a lot of public speaking without getting nervous too? Politicians are still people, they make mistakes. Look at it like any other politicians gaffes, Al Gore, GW Bush etc.

I think its kind of amusingly alarmist. Pass this law or SEVEN HUNDRED BILION people will die.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:41 AM

View PostRafterman, on 02 March 2013 - 12:42 AM, said:

Given that inflation is negligible and has been decreasing the past two years and US population growth is 124th in the World at .90 (CIA World Fact Book), having a roughly 2% budget cut leaving the budget still larger than it was just last year shouldn't really be that disastrous, should it?

Well - the short answer is that they're not cutting Taun's pay just for giggles.

The longer answer is that Inflation is not negligible - it's currently running at just over 2%. The 2012 budget ran to 3.796 trillion. The 2013 budget incl. the cuts runs to 3.803 trillion.Two percent of 3.796 trillion is 0.076, so all things being equal, you'd need around 3.872 trillion just to cover normal inflationary increases alone.

But, regardless - The other issue is that the cuts are not being made equally across all government departments. Medicaid and social security, for example, are unaffected, and are still getting their inflationary increase. As a result, most non-defence departments that are seeing a cut are seeing an actual reduction of around 8% or so in their overall budget ( the extremely long departmental breakdown is here: http://www.whitehous...s/stareport.pdf )

In short - those departments are seeing a real and fairly sizeable decrease in the money that they have available to them.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

View PostTiggs, on 02 March 2013 - 09:41 AM, said:

Well - the short answer is that they're not cutting Taun's pay just for giggles.

The longer answer is that Inflation is not negligible - it's currently running at just over 2%. The 2012 budget ran to 3.796 trillion. The 2013 budget incl. the cuts runs to 3.803 trillion.Two percent of 3.796 trillion is 0.076, so all things being equal, you'd need around 3.872 trillion just to cover normal inflationary increases alone.

But, regardless - The other issue is that the cuts are not being made equally across all government departments. Medicaid and social security, for example, are unaffected, and are still getting their inflationary increase. As a result, most non-defence departments that are seeing a cut are seeing an actual reduction of around 8% or so in their overall budget ( the extremely long departmental breakdown is here: http://www.whitehous...s/stareport.pdf )

In short - those departments are seeing a real and fairly sizeable decrease in the money that they have available to them.

Again, why should Government be immune to the realities that the rest of us have been dealing with for the past 5 years?    My budget has been cut or stayed stagnant each year since 2009.  I've received a single 1.5% raise in that time as well.  This idea that Government has to continue growing at all costs is a leftist myth.  If there are areas that need to expand, then the leadership needs to sit down and make the hard choices to cut areas that can sustain cuts so that other areas can be maintained.

But here's the problem.  No one on the let is willing to do this.  Blast the Ryan budget all you want, but at least it's something to talk about, a place to begin negotiations.  The Dem Senate won't even advance a budget and just this week Obama said he would veto a bill that would give him full authority to make the cuts anywhere he wanted to make them.

As with everything the last four years, this is just another example of Obama's failure as a leader.  Scratch that, it's not a failure, it's exactly what he wants.  If you never take a stand on anything, you can't be criticized and can just keep blaming Republicans for everything.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

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As with everything the last four years, this is just another example of Obama's failure as a leader.  Scratch that, it's not a failure, it's exactly what he wants.  If you never take a stand on anything, you can't be criticized and can just keep blaming Republicans for everything.

The  only fault I see with what you are  saying is that Obama is a failure.  Remember, he is an acolyte of Saul Alinsky and is enacting that reprobates plan to destroy the middle class and turn the US into a socialist hell hole with great success.  Far more than I ever thought he could.  He is a failure when measured in normal terms of a president's performance but he is a superhero if you understand his ultimate goal.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 06:01 PM

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This woman is a nasty, race baiting piece of work.  She is a thug in a suit as far as I'm concerned and I suspect she will be indicted at some point because that ilk cannot suppress the urge to help themselves to the largess they milk from the taxpayers to buy votes with.  When it happens I hope that as she's being perp walked she hears chants of NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE!  She makes me ill.
Isn't she the one who said, "To hell with the tea party"?  I might have her confused with another congresswoman, but I think it was her....

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:03 PM

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I don't see how the average person could confuse the two. And even if they did they would have realized it immediately and corrected it. Not have their Deputy Communications Director do it at a later time.
It’s easy to see why.  She’s been quaffing the koolaid.  That always short-circuits rational thought and common sense.  It’s an affliction of the Liberal and Low Information Voter.  That’s the effect of the community organizer campaigning.  You have to realize that this POTUS isn’t here to govern but to destroy the Republican Party so that Socialism will have no viable opposition.  But they will have miscalculated.  The Republican Party is but the Right Wing of the Socialist Party.  Our Founding Fathers gave us two ways to make change.  By the ballot or by the gun.  Right now, the ballot is failing.

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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:07 PM

I agree. The ballot has failed. I have been sending letters to me Senator for weeks and checking the box I want a  response to my letter. I have yet to get a response. I wonder if they even exist or if they just are figments of pour imagination.





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