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Could Syria civil war start a new cold war?


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#16    Coffey

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:31 PM

I think it reeks of BS.

The moment I heard on  an American news site "Syria has Chemical and biological WMD's".... I was like "Ah here we go again".... "Where are the ones from Iraq?"

I have a question.... Why does the US give Israel a load of money each year and why do we constantly have to help them? What do we get in return? Kinda confused by this and nobody seems to ask it?

In Israel they kill and torture civilians every single day.... Yet we throw money at them and are strong allies with them. But most other countries who kills and tortures civillians we go flying in there like "superheroes" or "freedom fighters"... lol

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:35 PM

View PostCoffey, on 29 July 2012 - 03:31 PM, said:

I think it reeks of BS.

The moment I heard on  an American news site "Syria has Chemical and biological WMD's".... I was like "Ah here we go again".... "Where are the ones from Iraq?"

I have a question.... Why does the US give Israel a load of money each year and why do we constantly have to help them? What do we get in return? Kinda confused by this and nobody seems to ask it?

In Israel they kill and torture civilians every single day.... Yet we throw money at them and are strong allies with them. But most other countries who kills and tortures civillians we go flying in there like "superheroes" or "freedom fighters"... lol
No one is saying Israel needs help.
Please this is about Syria's problems not Israel's...yet


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:41 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 29 July 2012 - 03:35 PM, said:

No one is saying Israel needs help.
Please this is about Syria's problems not Israel's...yet

Ok sorry I went off otpic with Isreal but I would like it answered.

You know damn fine Isreal will be involved. (love the fact you said "yet" lol) I'm sure I read they have been already though.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 03:54 PM

Well Israel can only get involved if Iran supplies weapons to Syria.
Chemical weapons have been admitted by the Syrian government and one with the advanced in  that technology.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:07 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 29 July 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:

Well Israel can only get involved if Iran supplies weapons to Syria.
Chemical weapons have been admitted by the Syrian government and one with the advanced in  that technology.

I just searched to see how they obtained these chemical WMD's... All I am getting is that theories that it was form Iran or N.Korea and a conspiracy theory it was from Saddam...


How come there is no actual answer? You don't just magically have WMD's without a source.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:28 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 29 July 2012 - 07:07 AM, said:

The Rebels are asking the West to help
no they're only asking for no fly zone so the fight can be fair
but even without it .. we don't need the west

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 04:35 PM

View Postand then, on 29 July 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

We are being told that Al Queda is well represented within the rebels.  No one seems sure WHO is in charge and that even among the rebels there is no clear leader.  I'm pretty sure that the reason Obama hasn't already involved the US is because he knows that once those weapons get used, it's ON..... And that means Russia could get involved too. No offense to you KoS but your country has nothing the west needs.  There is almost no oil, the war has caused so much thirst for revenge between different groups there that an ongoing civil war is almost guaranteed no matter WHO wins.  If it weren't for the potential danger of Israel becoming involved and causing a wider war in the region the US probably wouldn't be involved at all.  I will admit that if Russia were not involved the west might meddle there as a way to weaken Iran.  But no one is going to risk the chance for an "accidental" nuclear war over who owns Syria.
ohh really .. i bet you don't reliaze that if syria let qatar gas exported to europe
the russian gas will go downhill and no one will buy it no more
since qatar oil is less expensive to extract and more easy therefore cheaper
than russian gas therfore russian gas .. bye bye

am sure your goverments keeps telling you quada and stuff as excuse not to do their duty
toward a country that IS part of UN
the free army is orgarnized .. it's formed by the original army defects got experince
and few volunteers chosen carefully

and it's all about israel isn't ? the west all it cares about israel
well they better hope israel doesn't stick it's nose in our country to save this corrupted system

but like i said really .. and then we never really expected the west to help
they're punch of double standards countries who care about nothing but oil and greed .. or gas
we never really care if they help or not

in case you haven't noticed we are fighting russia , china , iran , hezboallah , syrian army , iraqis shiites mercenries
and the west as it keeps covering up for the regim despite the loud statements .. no action
however in any case we don't care about the west
even if the whole world decided to fight us and stand on the system side
we're gonna take our freedom with a boot on all of their noses

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:15 PM

View PostCoffey, on 29 July 2012 - 04:07 PM, said:

I just searched to see how they obtained these chemical WMD's... All I am getting is that theories that it was form Iran or N.Korea and a conspiracy theory it was from Saddam...


How come there is no actual answer? You don't just magically have WMD's without a source.
Syria developed  them I think

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 29 July 2012 - 04:28 PM, said:

no they're only asking for no fly zone so the fight can be fair
but even without it .. we don't need the west
Also weapons this was this morning


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:26 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 29 July 2012 - 05:15 PM, said:

Syria developed  them I think


Also weapons this was this morning
not for free they want to " buy " weapons
however i think the arabic countries beside turkey would do more than enough in that area
after all they need anti-aircraft weapons because the system using aircraft to bomb civilian filled places

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:34 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 29 July 2012 - 05:26 PM, said:

not for free they want to " buy " weapons
however i think the arabic countries beside turkey would do more than enough in that area
after all they need anti-aircraft weapons because the system using aircraft to bomb civilian filled places
Well turkey wants to set up a safe zone inside Syria, however I think Iran and Russia would think the West would act illegal


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 05:44 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 29 July 2012 - 05:34 PM, said:

Well turkey wants to set up a safe zone inside Syria, however I think Iran and Russia would think the West would act illegal
there's already small safe zone since turkey got their forced on borders since the shootdown of their airplan
all syrian troops fell back and the area was captured by rebels
russia is going to back up this regim forever .. read my reply to and then about the potential gas passing from qatar to europe by syrian lands
that will make russian gas market goes down and crash

russia got alot to lose .. and their mistake was to side with dictators against the people of that country

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:40 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 24 July 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Through out the past year Syrian people have been protesting against Assad which they wanted to him to change and step down, however forward that today thousands have died and fled on both sides. Now comes a new horror that Syria will use Chemical weapons against foreign interventions or feels threatened. Now Israel has said it will consider a plan if Israel is attacked, and again another uneasy report that is Iran will use force if foreign countries or organisations intervening  in the crisis  including Arab nations.

Go back to 1991 Iraq launched scud attacks in Israel and Saudi Arabia, however none contained any chemicals much to the relief of everyone. Now Sryia has scuds and could launch at anyone. With apparent backing of Iran, China and Russia and the rebels backing with the West, could it turn ugly or is this a war if words.

What is your opinion?

The UN mandate on Libya gave the West the permission to protect civilians. It did not authorise the ground invasion and air campaign to destroy the Libyan armed forces. It did not authorise the assasination attempts on Gaddafis life or his 'man love' execution which is out there on the internet. This is why Russia and China now refuse to back us on action in Syria.

From their perspective they know they cant trust us.


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Posted 29 July 2012 - 06:56 PM

Kos, I don't think you understand the vast amount of destruction the west (be it Nato, or w/e) would need to wreak upon Assad to even create a no fly zone. All air defenses need to be destroyed, as well as arms depots, or CC stations. Very rapidly it becomes just another western expedition into yet another mideast country that will welcome us for about 3 weeks before the suicide attacks happen. And we don;t need that ****. Our economy is in the tank, we have tons of issues, and your country really has little use besides a pawn piece in our little chessgame with Iran. I know I'm coming across harsh, and I apologize for the tone, but there is no way that the west can help without it causing us more issues and Syria isn't worth it.

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Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:09 PM

View Postwittyusernamefailed, on 29 July 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Kos, I don't think you understand the vast amount of destruction the west (be it Nato, or w/e) would need to wreak upon Assad to even create a no fly zone. All air defenses need to be destroyed, as well as arms depots, or CC stations. Very rapidly it becomes just another western expedition into yet another mideast country that will welcome us for about 3 weeks before the suicide attacks happen. And we don;t need that ****. Our economy is in the tank, we have tons of issues, and your country really has little use besides a pawn piece in our little chessgame with Iran. I know I'm coming across harsh, and I apologize for the tone, but there is no way that the west can help without it causing us more issues and Syria isn't worth it.
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Posted 29 July 2012 - 07:16 PM

I understand that. Which is one of the main reasons we need to stay out. The lack of clearly defined sides that we can chart policy with is asking for a diplomatic disasterpiece.





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