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#16    Q-C

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:09 AM

View PostWhyDontYouBeliEveMe, on 23 February 2013 - 10:49 PM, said:

what would you do ?  but everyone behind bars? that looks different? talks different ? is different?   there is no way you can predict . or quarantee what one would do ! or wouldn't do ! he just did it .. killed someone.
did he need a reason to ?  some ppl are just ..the way they are  ! you cannot blame any group, facility  or any one else for the action of an individual  !
well if they let him go over 10 years orso and he would do this again .. then yes you can blame .. someone for it .

The attacker was evaluated by psychiatric hospital yet let go!!! (probably because he doesn't look like he has any money to pay)

I can only comment based on the article:
--Pensioner was 'stalked' by murderer in days before the attack
--had a history of violent behaviour
--questions were raised about why Spanish authorities had allowed the attacker to wander the streets.
--He was very disturbed and intimidating, the sort of person you would cross the road to avoid

--who had a previous record for causing bodily injury
---Local reports said he had spent time in the psychiatric unit at the Hospital de La Candelaria following early violent outburs

Imo, again based soley on the article, as are all our comments, this guy needed/s serious help, not a park bench

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 06:27 AM

Don't blame the man, blame the machete.   They just need machete control legislation.   Sweeping bills that restrict the entire population's freedom, custom-made to respond to each sensational event published by the media after it happens.  It's the latest trend to governing a modern world.  ;)

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 08:45 AM

did any one stopped and asked him what he's religion ?
i know this is the first thing they do if it was middle eastern

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 11:29 AM

There are depths of the Human mind that perhaps we will never be able to understand.

Horrible story :/

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 12:01 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 23 February 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Anybody notice this story is from May of 2011?

http://uk.news.yahoo...-145408733.html

Change the word "knife,blade,or machete" to "gun" and you would have a world wide discussion that would still be going on this story to this very day.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:26 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 23 February 2013 - 11:44 PM, said:

Anybody notice this story is from May of 2011?

http://uk.news.yahoo...-145408733.html
hence why I said "not another one".

But it is still awful. And it was not the LAST awful thing to have happened over there either.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

View PostKnight Of Shadows, on 24 February 2013 - 08:45 AM, said:

did any one stopped and asked him what he's religion ?
i know this is the first thing they do if it was middle eastern
Who cares? what ever his religion, it should NEVER be used as an excuse for doing these kind of things. I do not care if he was the local "pope", the man is MAD!

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 24 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

Who cares? what ever his religion, it should NEVER be used as an excuse for doing these kind of things. I do not care if he was the local "pope", the man is MAD!

Yeah not exactly sure what that would have to do with anything.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostCrimsonKing, on 24 February 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

Change the word "knife,blade,or machete" to "gun" and you would have a world wide discussion that would still be going on this story to this very day.

I highly doubt it. There are so many gun deaths every day in almost every part of the world that I think this would have been a local only story.

This story is a little more unique, especially as to where it happened.....hence world wide coverage.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 03:48 PM

View PostEuphorbia, on 24 February 2013 - 03:38 PM, said:

I highly doubt it. There are so many gun deaths every day in almost every part of the world that I think this would have been a local only story.

This story is a little more unique, especially as to where it happened.....hence world wide coverage.

You could be right,but this was back in 2011.With the big issue being guns right now every time you look at tv,newspaper,or the net i could easily see this being all over the news.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:07 PM

Oh man when I read this topic I thought as well “not again...“
I actually lived in Tenerife for a while and have been right at that spot many times. There are some goverment facilities like social security and job center right there and I have also been to the chinese store where it happened.

The machete is actually easy to get here. Tenerife has a lot of palm plantation and the workmen there use them to trim down the growing palms.
The thing that upset people here back than is the killer himself. As far as I remember he was from bulgaria or something. No one really knew back than how he ended up here. And I guess everyone who lives here knows that you need a job for a living here. Not much you can do without as there is not really a benefits plan.
But like everyone posted already this is old news and I bet has been discussed already. Also since it happened in spain its in the wrong thread imo


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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:29 PM

What about the fact that this man's 'psyche' was obviously in the red? When you have all the warning signs and there's nothing done, that can be very frustrating, and well, devastating evidently. I was stalked by an ex boy friend who eventually stabbed me. They arrested him and he was supposed to be in a psychiatric-penitentiary setting for 2+ years minimum, but they decided just a matter of months ago they're letting him out early.

Look at what happened with Jaycee Dugard. A wonderful story of hope for people still waiting for their missing loved ones, but also just another example of how failure to prevent and furthered negligence can lead to immeasurable tragedy. It took what, 18 years to find Dugard? She could've been home in 6 months if someone fired up the old lightbulb in the attic and took the initiative. I am a HUGE believer, that more than guns, dogs, and knives, some knowledge/common sense is what'll protect you.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:41 PM

View PostHeartsAreForBreaking, on 24 February 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

What about the fact that this man's 'psyche' was obviously in the red? When you have all the warning signs and there's nothing done, that can be very frustrating, and well, devastating evidently. I was stalked by an ex boy friend who eventually stabbed me. They arrested him and he was supposed to be in a psychiatric-penitentiary setting for 2+ years minimum, but they decided just a matter of months ago they're letting him out early.

Look at what happened with Jaycee Dugard. A wonderful story of hope for people still waiting for their missing loved ones, but also just another example of how failure to prevent and furthered negligence can lead to immeasurable tragedy. It took what, 18 years to find Dugard? She could've been home in 6 months if someone fired up the old lightbulb in the attic and took the initiative. I am a HUGE believer, that more than guns, dogs, and knives, some knowledge/common sense is what'll protect you.

Knowledge and common sense are becoming very rare qualities now days,not much left out there.People do not care about anything not even themselves and that is when they are most dangerous.

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:45 PM

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Posted 24 February 2013 - 04:56 PM

View PostHeartsAreForBreaking, on 24 February 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

What about the fact that this man's 'psyche' was obviously in the red? When you have all the warning signs and there's nothing done,

As pointed out by soccergirl : "As far as I remember he was from bulgaria or something. No one really knew back than how he ended up here."

Obviously he was not the full shilling, but when you have people roaming about freely with no way of knowing their background, then what can be done to stop it? All the more reason for people not to be able to just go to which ever country they like. We have many criminals coming to England now, rapist and murderers, some have no records back in their countries, so it is impossible to tell. So do we just carry on and take the chance that they are coming here to work and live an honest life?

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.




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