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#16    Spiral staircase

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:01 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 27 July 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

So you are in a monogamous relationship and takeing care of child correct? If there were no blocks to promiscuity ( without birth control) don't you think there would be many more children without parents and many more transfers of STDs.

It's fairly evident in circles where there are no social blocks to sexual promiscuity.

If a society had a framework so that a whole community was able to take care of the children, and the community had a mutal self interest to remain in each other's company, it is very possible. In fact mankind during the hunter-gatherer stage most likely found advantages in such a society.

Our post-industrial societies simply have been transformed too much for this to make sense. There are too many alternatives, when you want to break with your spouse it is easy, you couldn't do that when all you had was your tribe and being outside of it meant death. It is too easy for those in a hypothetical flowers-and-love commune to be tired of society and do a free love type family then get tired and want back in society.

So many things are possible and everything has advantages and disadvantages. If one clearly believes the present system they find themselves under is perfect, and any other type of system by virtue of not being their favorite, any other type is not good at all in their eyes, then they lose the chance to recognize every system has both and recognizing the advantages allows one to harness and even exploit them for success while recognizing inherent disadvantage of any system allows us to compensate and manage.

Believing your chosen system (insert political, economic, religious, marriage, etc..,) is ideal doesn't allow for growth, finding your niche, or optimal performance of your being.

Edited by Lookitisoneofthosepeople, 27 July 2012 - 07:04 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:34 PM

View Post7STAR, on 27 July 2012 - 05:22 AM, said:

i'm not talking about outright hedonism. i'm talking about leveraging sexual energy into altered states of consciousness / interpersonal awareness.
MODS, I'm still wondering where the dis-like button is..........

This type of juvenile hippy thinking has run it's course, the obvious exception being people in thier teens and twenties who are still enslaved to thier hormones.  Sex and or the supposed tantric energies are right up there with channeling enlightened spiritual masters from another galaxy.

Like it or not the main function of sex is reproduction, anyone who defines themselves with thier genitals is shallow.  period.  gays and straights both.


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Posted 27 July 2012 - 07:49 PM

You guys never cease to amaze me! I've been back several to times to that tangle of meandering, disjointed sentences and diagrams that was the OP, to try and make enough sense out of it to formulate some sort of answer, (or even to understanding it!) and there you lot go unraveling and debating it with ease!

Hmmm, must be more stoopid than I thought I was!  *Wanders away muttering disconsolately*

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Posted 27 July 2012 - 08:39 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 27 July 2012 - 05:08 PM, said:

So you are in a monogamous relationship and takeing care of child correct? If there were no blocks to promiscuity ( without birth control) don't you think there would be many more children without parents and many more transfers of STDs.

It's fairly evident in circles where there are no social blocks to sexual promiscuity.

Nope, her mom and i separated 2 years ago...what about using condoms man? If you don't wanna catch anything, you should be protected. preventing stds through limiting your partners is not my approach....


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 05:57 AM

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If a society had a framework so that a whole community was able to take care of the children, and the community had a mutal self interest to remain in each other's company, it is very possible. In fact mankind during the hunter-gatherer stage most likely found advantages in such a society.

Our post-industrial societies simply have been transformed too much for this to make sense. There are too many alternatives, when you want to break with your spouse it is easy, you couldn't do that when all you had was your tribe and being outside of it meant death. It is too easy for those in a hypothetical flowers-and-love commune to be tired of society and do a free love type family then get tired and want back in society.

So many things are possible and everything has advantages and disadvantages. If one clearly believes the present system they find themselves under is perfect, and any other type of system by virtue of not being their favorite, any other type is not good at all in their eyes, then they lose the chance to recognize every system has both and recognizing the advantages allows one to harness and even exploit them for success while recognizing inherent disadvantage of any system allows us to compensate and manage.

Believing your chosen system (insert political, economic, religious, marriage, etc..,) is ideal doesn't allow for growth, finding your niche, or optimal performance of your being.
No argument here. I never said anything about any systems. It's quite obviouse That children are healthier with both parents being apart of their upbringing. Without social blocks that encourage this, quite obviously the society cannot be as healthy.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:08 AM

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Nope, her mom and i separated 2 years ago...what about using condoms man? If you don't wanna catch anything, you should be protected. preventing stds through limiting your partners is not my approach....
Still you are a committed parent right? Condumns break and fail. So does birth control. If you are prepared to to be a father to all potential children, then awesome, you are a responsible person... But we all know that is not true for everyone. If every partner you were with had a high probability of a child , and you wanted to maintain an identity of responsibility, your behavior would change. Instead you rely on technology so that can maintain your lust for variety.

In a not so distant past where these technologies did not exist, quit obviously it was in the interest of everyone for social blocks to restrain our apitite for gratification.

Edited by Seeker79, 28 July 2012 - 06:10 AM.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 28 July 2012 - 06:40 AM

I think if promiscuity was going to create a spiritual revolution we'd have seen it by now. Sounds likes the sort of rationalization hedonists might want to hear, though.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:41 AM

View PostSeeker79, on 28 July 2012 - 06:08 AM, said:

Condumns break and fail.

So do a lot of relationships. And when that happens, i think kids grow up healthier when they have parents that are not bound toghether by the cultural concepts of marriage and monogamy as the only things that KEEP them together. I'm neither a hedonist (or maybe in small percentages...) nor do i have an urge to **** everything that's not on a tree by the count of three. But being able to live my sex life in a way that I came to consider good for myself is something of value for my, let's call it, mental balance. I don't know if you are familiar with the early work of Wilhelm Reich, but from studying his (and quite a few other) books i realized that sex is much more than the mere reproduction process, and that opressing , distorting or condemning sexuality can have huge negative effects on the human psyche.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 08:48 AM

I agree although what you recommend might be so esoteric that it will escape many. Care to explain in brief what you have learned from Wilhelm Reich? I want to understand your view.


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Posted 28 July 2012 - 09:12 AM

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So do a lot of relationships. And when that happens, i think kids grow up healthier when they have parents that are not bound toghether by the cultural concepts of marriage and monogamy as the only things that KEEP them together. I'm neither a hedonist (or maybe in small percentages...) nor do i have an urge to **** everything that's not on a tree by the count of three. But being able to live my sex life in a way that I came to consider good for myself is something of value for my, let's call it, mental balance. I don't know if you are familiar with the early work of Wilhelm Reich, but from studying his (and quite a few other) books i realized that sex is much more than the mere reproduction process, and that opressing , distorting or condemning sexuality can have huge negative effects on the human psyche.
I'm not a beleiver in dogma merely intelligent restraint. Sexual dogmas are an outgrowth of that, so I understand them even if I may not agree.  Sexual oppression is a travesty I have even seen it here on um. ( got in trouble once ). But I believe the opposite is true aswell. Hedonistic overdose of the sex act and the degradation of its uniquely precious qualities for bonding and intamacy Isac loss.  By no means do I think restrictions should be placed on anyone. I just see why we have some of the taboos that we do. I think it's a decent social norm that sexuality resides inside of a loveing relationship. I think it benefits our cultures. This does not mean marriage. Sex outside of loving  relationships is fraught full of problems. I have seen it first hand. A little social pressure isn't always a bad thing of course until it crosses the lines of oppression.

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Posted 28 July 2012 - 10:37 AM

I can agree on that. Of course, if you deliberatly break the peer rules for the sake of it, it's egocentric and negative as well for you and even more for others.


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:10 AM

View PostBeany, on 27 July 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

  Before one attempts to leverage sexual energy into  a greater consciousness the ground rules about commitment & responsibility should be made clear.

This is a perfectly reasonable attitude to have. It seems odd to me one would think 'sex magic' inherently promotes irresponsible sexuality.


View PostLookitisoneofthosepeople, on 28 July 2012 - 08:48 AM, said:

I agree although what you recommend might be so esoteric that it will escape many. Care to explain in brief what you have learned from Wilhelm Reich? I want to understand your view.

The concept is simple—reality is inherently alive, by virtue of a personal consciousness, we can manipulate reality on a personal level. These inherent mental abilities are currently dormant, but with the proper combination of physical activity, emotional energy, and conceptual constructs—we can be 'born again' with the knowledge we literally 'one with God' i.e. reality itself. .. which is living. lol. So, "MONITOR" is a convoluted word for God. You can always just say, "Oh, GOD! Oh, GOD!" while having sex. The point is you have come full circle in your understanding of reality and how to focus your intention to create beneficial situations.

View PostOverSword, on 27 July 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

  Sex and or the supposed tantric energies are right up there with channeling enlightened spiritual masters from another galaxy.

  As far as the reality of these claims go. well. .. you can either experiment with the "Method" or you can ****.


It's like this: GAIN PSYCHIC POWERS WHILE HAVING MIND-BLOWING SEX!!! Impossible you say? Science has been proving impossible things for years! And scientific experiments can be performed by anyone. Here's how you can personally find out if you can GAIN PSYCHIC POWERS WHILE HAVING MIND-BLOWING SEX!!!

Step 1.) Formulate a Question: "Can I gain psychic powers while having mind-blowing sex?"  !

Step 2.) Construct a Hypothesis: By having sex in the name of MONITOR, I will experience beneficial coincidences.

Step 3.) Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment: Have sex in the name of MONITOR.

You should also repeat your experiments several times to make sure that the first results weren't just an accident!

Step 4.) Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion: Once your experiment is complete, you collect your measurements and analyze them to see if your hypothesis is true or false!

Edited by 7STAR, 30 July 2012 - 09:42 AM.

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:28 AM

Hey 7star, I'm not very smart, what is this "MONITOR" business ?


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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

So, "MONITOR" is a convoluted word for God. You can always just say, "Oh, GOD! Oh, GOD!" while having sex. The point is you have come full circle in your understanding of reality and how to focus your intention to create beneficial situations.


a quick recap: Reality is inherently alive, by virtue of a personal consciousness, we can manipulate reality on a personal level. These inherent mental abilities are currently dormant, but with the proper combination of physical activity, emotional energy, and conceptual constructs—we can be 'born again' with the knowledge we literally 'one with God' i.e. reality itself. .. which is living.

An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it. Ad hominem reasoning is normally described as a logical fallacy.

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Posted 30 July 2012 - 09:44 AM

View Post7STAR, on 30 July 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

The concept is simple—reality is inherently alive, by virtue of a personal consciousness, we can manipulate reality on a personal level. These inherent mental abilities are currently dormant, but with the proper combination of physical activity, emotional energy, and conceptual constructs—we can be 'born again' with the knowledge we literally 'one with God' i.e. reality itself. .. which is living. lol. So, "MONITOR" is a convoluted word for God. You can always just say, "Oh, GOD! Oh, GOD!" while having sex. The point is you have come full circle in your understanding of reality and how to focus your intention to create beneficial situations.

Sounds awesome even if that total package is not for me. Some of what you stated was inline with my way of thinking as well. Just combining the sex part into it loses me but that hardly decides whether it is valid and if if it works for you then it is valid.

The first part is magic, manipulating reality, and that in itself will have adherents of both religion and science being hostile to that view. Of course religion, science, magic have not always been so polarly opposed but that is the current climate.






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