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#1    Kowalski

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:54 PM

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NRA's new president has penchant for bold words


HOUSTON (AP) — The incoming leader of the National Rifle Association has a long history with the powerful gun rights lobby and a penchant for bold statements that are sure to inflame an already explosive national debate over gun control.
James Porter, an Alabama attorney and first vice president of the NRA, assumes the presidency on Monday after the group's national convention wraps up in Houston. He didn't wait until then to ignite a new furor over gun control, telling the NRA grassroots organizers on Friday they are the front line of a "culture war" that goes beyond gun rights.
"(You) here in this room are the fighters for freedom. We are the protectors," Porter said.
Porter, 64, whose father was NRA president from 1959-1961, is part of the small, Birmingham, Ala., law firm of Porter, Porter & Hassinger. The firm's website notes its expertise in defending gun manufacturers in lawsuits.
Porter takes over the organization as the NRA finds itself in a national fight over gun control in Washington, D.C., and state capitols around the country. The NRA had a major victory regarding gun control with the defeat in the U.S. Senate of a bill that would have expanded background checks for gun sales. But it lost ground in some places as several states passed laws expanding background checks and banning large ammunition magazines after December's mass shooting at a Connecticut elementary school.
Glen Caroline, director of the NRA's grassroots division, noted the coming fight over gun control in the 2014 elections. "Our senators are on record. They cannot hide from those votes," Caroline said.
As shown by his "culture war" comment Friday and others in his past, Porter's style is likely to be one that fans the flames of an emotionally combustible debate.
Porter has called President Barack Obama a "fake president," Attorney General Eric Holder "rabidly un-American" and the U.S. Civil War the "War of Northern Aggression." On Friday, he repeated his call for training every U.S. citizen in the use of standard military firearms, to allow them to defend themselves against tyranny.

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NRA official: 'Culture war' more than gun rights


HOUSTON (AP) — The National Rifle Association kicked off its annual convention Friday with a warning to its members they are engaged in a "culture war" that stretches beyond gun rights, further ramping up emotions surrounding the gun control debate.
NRA First Vice President James Porter, a Birmingham, Ala., attorney who will assume the organization's presidency Monday, issued a full-throated challenge to President Barack Obama in the wake of a major victory regarding gun control and called on members to dig in for a long fight that will stretch into the 2014 elections.
More than 70,000 NRA members are expected to attend the three-day convention amid the backdrop of the national debate over gun control and the defeat of a U.S. Senate bill that would have expanded background checks for gun sales. It was introduced after December's mass shooting at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school. A small gathering of gun control supporters were outside of the convention in Houston.
Porter's remarks came in a short speech to about 300 people at a grass-roots organizing meeting and set the tone for a "Stand and Fight"-themed convention that is part gun trade show, political rally and strategy meeting.
"This is not a battle about gun rights," Porter said, calling it "a culture war."
"(You) here in this room are the fighters for freedom. We are the protectors," said Porter, whose father was NRA president from 1959-1960.
Rob Heagy, a former parole officer from San Francisco, agreed with Porter's description of a culture war.
"It is a cultural fight on those 10 guarantees," he said, referring to the Bill of Rights in the U.S. Constitution. "Mr. Obama said he wasn't going after our guns. As soon as the Connecticut thing happened, he came after our guns."
That theme carried throughout the day and reached a crescendo in a 3 ½-hour political rally punctuated by fiery speeches from state and national conservative leaders.
"You stood up when freedom was under assault and you stood in the gap, you made a difference," former U.S. senator and Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum told the cheering crowd of more than 3,500 at the rally.
"This is a critical time in American history. Something big is happening in America," Santorum said. "Stand for America. Fight for America."
Texas Gov. Rick Perry criticized gun control supporters as opportunists who prey on the raw emotions of tragic events.
"You can almost set your watch for how long it takes for people who hate guns, who hate gun owners, to start a new campaign," after a mass shooting, Perry said.
Obama, who has pushed for gun control measures, was a prime target for criticism the entire day. NRA Executive Director Chris Cox bragged about the organization's political victory.
"It was great to see the president throw a temper tantrum in the Rose Garden," Cox said.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

Gun manufacturers only care about profit, they dont care whether you live or die, anti gun or not. The same with drug companies only care about profit.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

"Fighters for freedom", is an unrealistic position since it is doubtful these wannabe revolutionaries can out match a professional military force equipped with UAVs.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

they substituted one massive marroon for one even bigger

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 04 May 2013 - 07:42 PM, said:

"Fighters for freedom", is an unrealistic position since it is doubtful these wannabe revolutionaries can out match a professional military force equipped with UAVs.

They don't "wannabe" revolutionaries, they might have to be and consider these everyday "american-fighters for freedom- revolutionaries" will be defending against american military forces with UAVs.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:54 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 04 May 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:

Gun manufacturers only care about profit, they dont care whether you live or die, anti gun or not. The same with drug companies only care about profit.

The NRA does not support gun manufacturers they support the MILLIONS of gun owning citizens in this country!


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:09 PM

View Postninjadude, on 04 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

they substituted one massive marroon for one even bigger

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:12 PM

View PostKowalski, on 04 May 2013 - 07:54 PM, said:

The NRA does not support gun manufacturers they support the MILLIONS of gun owning citizens in this country!
"(You) here in this room are the fighters for freedom. We are the protectors," Porter said.
Porter, 64, whose father was NRA president from 1959-1961, is part of the small, Birmingham, Ala., law firm of Porter, Porter & Hassinger. The firm's website notes its expertise in defending gun manufacturers in lawsuits"
Thats pretty much the same thing


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 09:52 PM

I've never had a gun, they scare me.  I wasn't brought up around them.  But I'm all in favor of preserving the rights that the Founding Fathers saw fit to enumerate.  I know and appreciate that my rights have many times been defended by people who have been forced to take up arms.  Others have chosen to do so.  If we're going to have any rights at all then we have to defend all of them.  A right is not an obligation.  As of now, and since the beginning of the country, citizens have the right to bear arms.  I choose not to exercise that right but it is not my place, or anyone's for that matter, to take it away from others.  We seem to be living in an era when our rights, God given and otherwise, are under assault.  Whenever someone does something bad there is a rush to punish the entire populace by limiting our rights rather than dealing with the person responsible.  The extension of this way of reacting will make us all prisoners of hysteria.  Don't speak, someone might be offended.  Don't have a gun, someone might get shot.  Don't think, stay with the group.  The erosion of our rights and freedom in general is as slow as the erosion of the soil but one day you look around and there is a canyon where once was a field.  The time to stand up for our rights is while we still have them.  Today's issue may not affect you but tomorrow's might.  As a country we need to defend the right of all citizens before we, as a country, lose them.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostBig Jim, on 04 May 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

I've never had a gun, they scare me.  I wasn't brought up around them.  But I'm all in favor of preserving the rights that the Founding Fathers saw fit to enumerate.  I know and appreciate that my rights have many times been defended by people who have been forced to take up arms.  Others have chosen to do so.  If we're going to have any rights at all then we have to defend all of them.  A right is not an obligation.  As of now, and since the beginning of the country, citizens have the right to bear arms.  I choose not to exercise that right but it is not my place, or anyone's for that matter, to take it away from others.  We seem to be living in an era when our rights, God given and otherwise, are under assault.  Whenever someone does something bad there is a rush to punish the entire populace by limiting our rights rather than dealing with the person responsible.  The extension of this way of reacting will make us all prisoners of hysteria.  Don't speak, someone might be offended.  Don't have a gun, someone might get shot.  Don't think, stay with the group.  The erosion of our rights and freedom in general is as slow as the erosion of the soil but one day you look around and there is a canyon where once was a field.  The time to stand up for our rights is while we still have them.  Today's issue may not affect you but tomorrow's might.  As a country we need to defend the right of all citizens before we, as a country, lose them.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:25 PM

View PostBig Jim, on 04 May 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

I've never had a gun, they scare me.  I wasn't brought up around them.  But I'm all in favor of preserving the rights that the Founding Fathers saw fit to enumerate.  I know and appreciate that my rights have many times been defended by people who have been forced to take up arms.  Others have chosen to do so.  If we're going to have any rights at all then we have to defend all of them.  A right is not an obligation.  As of now, and since the beginning of the country, citizens have the right to bear arms.  I choose not to exercise that right but it is not my place, or anyone's for that matter, to take it away from others.  We seem to be living in an era when our rights, God given and otherwise, are under assault.  Whenever someone does something bad there is a rush to punish the entire populace by limiting our rights rather than dealing with the person responsible.  The extension of this way of reacting will make us all prisoners of hysteria.  Don't speak, someone might be offended.  Don't have a gun, someone might get shot.  Don't think, stay with the group.  The erosion of our rights and freedom in general is as slow as the erosion of the soil but one day you look around and there is a canyon where once was a field.  The time to stand up for our rights is while we still have them.  Today's issue may not affect you but tomorrow's might.  As a country we need to defend the right of all citizens before we, as a country, lose them.
So you support the NRA that EVERYONE needs a gun? the NRA does not care what you think nor your rights, it only cares about itself and its rights. A company or organisation only cares about itself and no one else. A right is what your choice is, what you do not someone else to choose it for you


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:28 PM

The NRA are just losers and upset that everything has gone against them, a spoilt child wants attention.
If the NRA had their way, well it would be a disaster


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

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The NRA are just losers and upset that everything has gone against them, a spoilt child wants attention.
If the NRA had their way, well it would be a disaster

Yawn...another troll... :passifier:


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:50 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 04 May 2013 - 10:25 PM, said:

So you support the NRA that EVERYONE needs a gun? the NRA does not care what you think nor your rights, it only cares about itself and its rights. A company or organisation only cares about itself and no one else. A right is what your choice is, what you do not someone else to choose it for you

I know very little about the NRA.  I've never been a member and I can neither support or dispute them without knowing, in detail, what their position is.  Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough.  I was not writing in support of the NRA or any group.  I was writing in support of our rights as Americans as delineated in the Constitution.  My thoughts on the subject are my own, neither sanctioned or informed by the NRA or anyone else.  As far as I'm concerned the NRA can support anything it wants to.  And so can I.  As Patrick Henry so famously said "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it."  Today you and I have both exercised the right to free speech, but only one of us has defended it.  Enjoy.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

I can't understand why they resist so virulently stricter background checks.
Yes the Second Amendment says "shall not restrict", but you have to balance rights from one area against rights from another - the right to life and liberty being on the first line of the Consitution IIRC (I'm an Aussie so please don't shoot me if I'm wrong).
You want people to be able to buy bazookas? Fine. Just accept that there's going to be a 12 month waiting list with all sort of checks.
See, no restriction on what you can buy, just a delay on when you can get it. Everyone wins in the end, noones life is risked by something easily prevented and everyone who wants a kalashnikov can have one.

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