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#181    DONTEATUS

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 04:29 AM

View Postodiesbsc, on 03 May 2013 - 02:15 AM, said:

You're right Mr. Serendipity, in the 60's I did two tours in Vietnam. My first tour was in the early 60's and I had a polariod camera and there was a little sponge thing in a tube with some kind of liquid in it. After you took a picture you had to sweep across the pic with that wet spongeAnd the pictures were vey small and not very good quality. I think I've still got a few of them.

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Yeah ! And as soon as they found out that you could sniff the tubes dry and Fly like a Eagle they discontinued those tubes ! Real bummer for all our troops,But It did save a few thousand lifes !

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 07:21 AM

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First, it was claimed that it was a captured UFO.  That was an official press release by the army and by those who could obviously tell the difference between a downed weather balloon and possible ET craft.
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>>Headline edition July 8, 1947, the army air force has announced that a flying disc has been found and is now in possession of the army. Army officers say that the missile found sometime last week has been inspected at Roswell, New Mexico, and sent to Wright Field, Ohio, for further inspection.<<
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What do the Russians know about the most celebrated of all UFO crashes, the July, 1947 report of a crashed disc outside Roswell, New Mexico? Our next interview made it seem apparent that, even in the 40s, the Russians weren't buying the weather balloon explanation of Roswell being proffered to the American people at the time by the US military. The interview was with Valeriy Burdakov, a man who, to my knowledge, has never granted an interview to a Western journalist. In the 1950s, Burdakov was a scientist at the prestigious Moscow Aviation Institute, birthplace of the Soviet space program. Burdakov's interest in UFOs led to lectures on the subject, lectures which came to the attention of Sergei Korolyov, the dean of Soviet rocketry and the founder of the Russian space program. But Korolyov did not admonish the younger Burdakov; instead he confided in him.

As the now-60-something Burdakov relates, Joseph Stalin invited Korolyov to a meeting in 1948. The dictator brought Korolyov to a room where, spread out on a table, were piles of material and information collected during a top secret study. Some of the information was gleaned from reports of Soviet operatives in place in New Mexico at the time of the alleged crash. Stalin was anxious to know, what did Korolyov make of this reported crash of a UFO near Roswell?

"Korolyov told Stalin the phenomenon was real," said Burdakov. "He told him the UFOs were not dangerous to our country, but they were not manufactured in the United States, or any other country. Stalin thanked him and told him his opinion was shared by a number of other specialists." Burdakov says he has no doubts about the extent of the American government's involvement in the UFO phenomenon.
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If the testimony of one particular Roswell vet holds true, then the Air Force explanation of a Mogul balloon train accounting for a crashed UFO cannot be. This is because the vet maintains that the Provost Marshal of the base had issued to him the most extreme and dreaded of commands: He was ordered to “shoot to kill” anyone who ever tried to enter the hangar in which the crash debris was stored. One would not be commanded to kill over a balloon. Serviceman Calvin Cox has held secret his disturbing Roswell experience for decades. He was ordered to never speak of it. And he never has...until now.



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:06 AM

Hey psyche,

I do  agree with Tony that the Time Photographer says he was flown to New Mexico right as Roswell happened but was flown into the desert and missed the event and regreted that he was walking  around in the desert on an invitation from the AAF while Roswell happened and he missed it!

Again it fits with my hypothesis, not Tony's. He was a member of the Press and seems to have been targetted just a day or two before the Roswell events.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:28 AM

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Dr. Von Braun explained how he and unnamed associates had been taken to the crash site after the bulk of the military personnel had left the scene. They did a quick once over of the site, Van Braun stated. He related how the exterior of the space craft was not metal as we know it, but appeared to be made of something biological, like skin.
McClelland's only thought at the time was that he was being told that the craft was made of something "alive."



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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:05 AM

View Postlost_shaman, on 03 May 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

Hey psyche,

I do  agree with Tony that the Time Photographer says he was flown to New Mexico right as Roswell happened but was flown into the desert and missed the event and regreted that he was walking  around in the desert on an invitation from the AAF while Roswell happened and he missed it!

Again it fits with my hypothesis, not Tony's. He was a member of the Press and seems to have been targetted just a day or two before the Roswell events.


I am sure I remember, the Jacket conversation? Allan Grant and the great meteor chase?

Agreed, it certainly supports your hypothesis as opposed to Tony's. He might stumble on the odd item here and there, but seems overly zealous to me. I hope he reads my post and gives an answer to why he is not pursuing this line of investigation. Maybe is is annoyed that he has to bow to you as the final nail in the Roswell Coffin?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:16 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 03 May 2013 - 09:05 AM, said:

I am sure I remember, the Jacket conversation? Allan Grant and the great meteor chase?


yes, the conversation was quite heated over at ATS on this matter with LS and some others...in fact I cannot remember how it ended but have a feeling the moderators killed it off but not sure this was justified.....it felt biased.


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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:52 PM

Thread cleaned

Could we keep the comments civil and constructive please, there are far too many personal attacks being thrown around.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:05 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 03 May 2013 - 04:29 AM, said:

Yeah ! And as soon as they found out that you could sniff the tubes dry and Fly like a Eagle they discontinued those tubes ! Real bummer for all our troops,But It did save a few thousand lifes !

I never heard about people sniffing that stuff. As I remember, it did smell really bad. I'm glad they did discontinue the use of it. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

View Postodiesbsc, on 05 May 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

I never heard about people sniffing that stuff. As I remember, it did smell really bad. I'm glad they did discontinue the use of it. Thanks for the info.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:38 PM

View Postquillius, on 03 May 2013 - 09:16 AM, said:



yes, the conversation was quite heated over at ATS on this matter with LS and some others...in fact I cannot remember how it ended but have a feeling the moderators killed it off but not sure this was justified.....it felt biased.

Hey quillius,

I agree. I made the case clear cut. Tim Printy couldnt accept it and the Mods over there were willing to in part rewrite the history of the AAF just to gime Tim Printy the leeway not to admit he was wrong and the closed the thread. But that was over at Reality Uncovered not ATS.

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:58 AM

View Postodiesbsc, on 05 May 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

I never heard about people sniffing that stuff. As I remember, it did smell really bad. I'm glad they did discontinue the use of it. Thanks for the info.

Odie
Well odie ! IT was a fairly well known thing in the late 50`s up into the very early 60`s I remember the older kids stealing there mom,and dads camera`s to get the packets ! Its why Wood stock happened I think,I just cant remember where I put that tohught ?

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Posted 07 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

View Postlost_shaman, on 06 May 2013 - 11:38 PM, said:

Hey quillius,

I agree. I made the case clear cut. Tim Printy couldnt accept it and the Mods over there were willing to in part rewrite the history of the AAF just to gime Tim Printy the leeway not to admit he was wrong and the closed the thread. But that was over at Reality Uncovered not ATS.

oops, it was indeed reality uncovered not ATS...lets hope I am not sued for that slander :w00t:


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Posted 07 May 2013 - 11:58 PM

View Postquillius, on 07 May 2013 - 02:25 PM, said:

oops, it was indeed reality uncovered not ATS...lets hope I am not sued for that slander :w00t:

Joe Ezseterhas has some experience in this, maybe he can give you some pointers :P

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:27 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 07 May 2013 - 02:58 AM, said:

Well odie ! IT was a fairly well known thing in the late 50`s up into the very early 60`s I remember the older kids stealing there mom,and dads camera`s to get the packets ! Its why Wood stock happened I think,I just cant remember where I put that tohught ?

I was raised on a farm until I went into the service. So I guess I was out of the loop on what was happening at that time. I had never even heard of marijuana at that point.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 02:42 AM

View Postodiesbsc, on 08 May 2013 - 02:27 AM, said:

I was raised on a farm until I went into the service. So I guess I was out of the loop on what was happening at that time. I had never even heard of marijuana at that point.

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Ouch ! Thats gotta hurt Odie !  Weed is now becoming quite the threat to the Tobacco  bussiness,But For sure our Troops in Nam,were well on the way to seeing the Light of Green Monster ! Sad but true. Good thing they brought  back such a demand for the stuff for all the Weed Growers here and ,did become a really Big part of many lifes now.
I dont partake in the Stuff,but I do think its going to be here forever @@ IMO. Maybe its whaty some of our Troops dont Shoot when there told too? :gun:

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