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#46    Pericynthion

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:55 AM

View Postsynchronomy, on 29 December 2012 - 05:38 AM, said:

I'm wondering about it too.  I was unaware that the rovers even had video on board.  I thought they just took stills.

The two high-resolution Mastcam imagers actually are capable of taking 10 fps high-definition video, but this particular YouTube video was faked using a single shot from one of the forward hazard cameras.  This is a landing day image and the remote sensing mast isn't even deployed yet (you can tell by looking at the rover shadow).


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:55 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 20 December 2012 - 05:54 AM, said:

It's still my rolle to poop in the punchbowl. The spacesuit and lunar lander evolved from designs developed by the British Interplanetary Society in the years after 1939.

British Interplanetary Society spacesuit [1949]

http://t0.gstatic.co...H1QdCfsZ-Kq89Du
http://moonandback.c...s_spacesuit.jpg


lunar lander

http://davidszondy.c...pace/Clarke.jpg
http://t0.gstatic.co...pcE3TM8WAHtNbkg

Good info. That doesn't mean NASA hasn't been influenced in someways by an ET reality. People will report a one piece coverall, helmet + visor or diver type suit in CE3s. ET's or occupants not of this earth need protective wear too.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:00 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 29 December 2012 - 04:47 AM, said:

Here's another UFO video from the Mars rover, showing the object flying upward, hovering and blinking, and then flying away.  Just more swamp gas of course.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:03 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 29 December 2012 - 04:38 AM, said:

I know more about the real story than you do, McClelland or no McClelland.  All you know are a bunch of third rate cover stories.

I remember doing research on Clark C. McClelland and both him and his father worked for NASA.

http://www.stargate-...nd-credentials/

Photos on his web site.

Edited by topsecretresearch, 29 December 2012 - 06:06 AM.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:06 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 29 December 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Please disable the 'Random Spew' function on your data base.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:07 AM

View Posttopsecretresearch, on 29 December 2012 - 05:55 AM, said:

Good info. That doesn't mean NASA hasn't been influenced in someways by an ET reality. People will report a one piece coverall, helmet + visor or diver type suit in CE3s. ET's or occupants not of this earth need protective wear too.

Of course, it could flow in the opposite direction. Percipients will conceptualize their visual stimuli in terms of what they recognize from memories, cuing up full images from only partially-detected patterns. Actually, that's very common for almost all kinds of vision interpretative algorithms.

The more familiar a person is, say, with aviation, the more likely they would be to interpret a partially-perceived form in familiar terms. That's not to say how OFTEN they would misinterpret something, only that whenever they DO, what they 'see' will more likely be based on what they have seen in the past.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:09 AM

View Posttopsecretresearch, on 29 December 2012 - 06:03 AM, said:

I remember doing research on Clark C. McClelland and both him and his father worked for NASA.

So what you consider doing 'research' on McClelland is to read what McClelland claims?

I do not think that word means what you seem to think it means.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:17 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 29 December 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be funny if they were fibbing about the number and type of pictures really being taken on these missions?

So you actually think that's a more likely scenario than somone posting a fake video to YouTube???  The video is just a white dot moving around on a still background image.  Do you think that would be very hard to fake?  I've already shown you the source image used for the background.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:32 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 29 December 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

Wouldn't it be funny if they were fibbing about the number and type of pictures really being taken on these missions?

What's not so funny is the ease in which people who deliberately keep themselves ignorant of space technology and operations can just conjure up fantasies that they imagine MIGHT be true without realizing there's a massive chain of preconditions and consequences of such partially-baked notions, that can be checked. Extra 'secret' cameras means different mass properties, different power budgets, especially different comm allocation through multiple relay points, all sorts of features of space operations that are thoroughly transparent to outside observers -- who see no such hints at 'invisible' hardware or images.

Clinging to such patently preposterous 'theories' is easiest if one keeps oneself fundamentally incapable of actually understanding the ramifications of some fantastic proposal -- such as secret cameras and photo sequences. The less one actually knows about real spaceflight [along with the more nonsense one mistakenly 'knows'] the greater the attraction of UFO interpretations.

We saw this in the controversy over Gordon Cooper's fairy tale of carrying a super secret military spy camera that allowed him to take hand-held views out the Gemini-5 window that showed license plates on cars in Texas. When confronted with a catalog of all the cameras on Gemini-5 and all of their ground resolutiuon capabilities, Cooper's co-author just blustered that the capsule was 'full of cameras' that nobody kept a list of.  Magic cameras, for sure.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 29 December 2012 - 06:09 AM, said:

So what you consider doing 'research' on McClelland is to read what McClelland claims?

I do not think that word means what you seem to think it means.

Jim, Here his father's obituary. It appears the Clark C. McClelland fellow is real and does have a space program background. I can't vouch for his claims though.

http://www.findagrav...&GRid=29271361

Clyde Clark McClelland

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Photo provided by Clark C. McClelland.

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Clark had this monument inscribed to honor his father, Clyde, by showing his WWII battles in Europe with General Patton. The backside of the monument honors the programs that Clyde was a pioneer at Cape Canaveral and Kennedy Space Center, Florida, 1957-1970. He was a hero to his country. Photo and caption provided by Clark C. McClelland.

Birth: May 26, 1913 Death: Jul. 7, 2001 Posted Image
Son of Charles B. McClelland & Grace Viola (Clark) McClelland Pandolfino. Husband of Elizabeth Helen Mackovitch.

Obituary
In his 88 years, Clyde C. McClelland left Western Pennsylvania for only two extended periods, and only to serve his country. Mr. McClelland, who served with a tank destroyer unit during World War II and was a missile technician for the space program at Cape Canaveral for 15 years, died from complications of viral pneumonia Saturday, July 7, 2001 in the VA Medical Center in Aspinwall, PA. Mr. McClelland was born in Sligo, Clarion County. His father died when he was in his early teens, so Mr. McClelland moved with his mother, Grace, and sister, Lois, to the North Hills, near where his mother worked for Singer Sewing Machine Co. After he graduated from high school, Mr. McClelland worked for Pittsburgh Railways, predecessor of the Port Authority, until he enlisted in the Army in 1943. He served in France until 1945. He was part of a tank destroyer unit that attacked powerful German Tiger Tanks, a task his son Clark compared to "a rabbit hunting a tiger." During the Battle of the Bulge, Mr. McClelland, a technical sergeant, was caught behind enemy lines. He escaped Nazi capture and was later attached to Gen. George Patton's 3rd Army. He came under fire a number of times and suffered back injuries crossing the Remagan Bridge, while under intense enemy artillery fire. It eventually left him with a permanent 100% disability. He continued with General George S. Patton and his powerful US Third Army where he was part of the capture of the German Concentration Camp at Buchenwald. The Third Army liberated the tortured and sad people there. He met General Eisenhower at Buchenwald. He underwent some minor surgery in Europe and was hospitalized for two six-month periods in the US Veterans Hospital in Aspinwall, PA. He was operated on twice by the world renowned, Doctor Peter Lindstrom, who did not charge my father, in honor of his services in WW II. Doctor Lindstrom had a famous wife, movie actress, Ingrid Bergman.

Although he was not decorated at the time, his family is attempting to see that he is awarded a Purple Heart and a Bronze Star posthumously.

After returning to his family after WW II in Pittsburgh and working at Pittsburgh Railways for another 10 years, Mr. McClelland decided he wanted to participate in the still-embryonic space program and moved his family to Cape Canaveral, Florida. Initially, he worked on a team that fueled rockets and spacecraft, and was on the fueling team that sent Alan Shepard into space and John Glenn into earth orbit. Later he did work in air-conditioning and environmental control during the Saturn V Apollo missions to the moon. His sons, Clark and Robert L., also worked in the space program. Around 1970, Mr. McClelland and his wife, Elizabeth, returned to Pennsylvania, moving first to Mount Troy and then to McCandless Township. Mr. McClelland worked for the U.S. Postal Service there and retired in the mid-1980s. After years of helping others fly, Mr. McClelland learned to pilot a seaplane after retiring. He had wanted to fly during World War II, but was disqualified because he was colorblind, his son Clark said. The Rimersburg Veterans of Foreign Wars conducted a military burial with an honor guard firing their rifles and a bugle sounding taps. I promised my father that honor. The funeral for Mr. McClelland was 1 p.m. at Sligo Cemetery. Pittsburgh Post-Gazette (PA) - July 13, 2001



Astronaut Clark McClelland, "the real Fox Mulder," has ties to Sligo.
Written by Clark C. McClelland, former ScO (Ground Test Astronaut), Space Shuttle Fleet, Kennedy Space Center, Florida
Submitted 08 November 1999.

My father was raised in Sligo, PA, and born on May 26, 1913. His father was employed by the railroad; and my father, Clyde Clark McClelland, and aunt, Lois Evelyn McClelland, lived with their mother, Grace Viola McClelland, while the father was away. The railroad company apparently had some financial troubles, and Charles B. McClelland, my grandfather, was released from his many years of employment with the company. He was out of work and worried himself into an early grave in Sligo Cemetery. He was only 41 or so. My father, his sister, and their mother moved from Sligo and came to Pittsburgh, where my grandmother went to work for Singer Sewing Machine Company.

My mother, Elizabeth Helen (Mackovitch) McClelland, married Dad and had my brother, Robert Lance McClelland, and I. She lost a baby girl when she had a miscarriage.

My father was drafted into the US Army Tank Destroyers and sent to Fort Hood, Texas, for training. He was soon after sent to England and landed in France during the D-Day invasion. Eventually, he was trapped behind enemy lines during the Battle of the Bulge, where he eventually was wounded twice; one being serious, he was sent to a hospital in France to heal. He returned to his Third Army assignments under General George Patton. With Patton, Dad was involved in the release of many thousands of concentration camp prisoners. He won the Bronze Star, Purple Heart, and many other medals and battle stars.

My dad and mother, along with Bob, moved to Titusville, Florida, in 1956, where my father joined the US Space Program. He, my wife, brother, Robert, Uncle Joseph Mackovitch and I were five of the first to become pioneers in that great effort. I arrived there in 1958 with my former wife Anna Mae (Smoller) McClelland. She gave birth to our son, Clark Michael McClelland, and daughter, Colleen Marie McClelland. I continued to work on the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo programs along with other members of our family. My uncle, Joseph Mackovitch (my mother's brother) worked the Apollo program; my sister-in-law, Margaret Dabelko (Minuteman program); and my wife, Anna Mae (Mercury program). It was a family affair.

My Father left the space program due to my mother's requiring a more northern, seasonal atmosphere for her asthma. They returned to Pittsburgh with my brother.

I remained at the launch bases and worked the Apollo-Soyuz mission of the meeting and coupling of the US and USSR spacecraft in orbit, the unmanned Lunar Orbiter, program, and launching the many Space Shuttles to the International Space Station.

During my years at Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center, I was also involved in the search for extraterrestrial life and investigating UFO sightings by our astronauts. I was the Director of the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) and the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON) at both launch bases. I was actually the real "X-Files" and the real Fox Mulder. Yes, our astronauts have seen UFO's.

I ended my Space Center career in 1992. I have been writing three books concerning my space program history and disclosing the REAL X-FILES to the tax paying public.
I am a member of the Masonic Order (F&AM) and a York Rite Knight Templar at Lodge 301 in Florida. I am an honorary Blood Brother of Chief White Wolf of the Native American Lakota Sioux Nation, being made a Blood Brother and a member 1993.

Our family history includes such historic people as Civil War General George B. McClellan (he did not use the "d" in his last name); William Clark, of the Lewis and Clark Expeditions; Abraham Clark, signer of the Declaration of Independence; Revolutionary War General George Rogers Clark; John Clark, first mate of the Mayflower (Pilgrims, 1620); William Clark(e) Quantrill, of the Confederate guerrilla band that scourged the west with Jesse and Frank James and Joseph Clark, who had an apartment across from Ford's Theater in Washington, DC, where President Abe Lincoln was carried and lay in his (Clark's) bed, where the President died.

For more information about Clark and his space career, visit his Web site at:

Stargate Chronicles

Used with permission of Clark C. McClelland
email: clark0003@gmail.com
email: clark0003@hotmail.com

Note: Clark C. McClelland will eventually be buried next to his father in Sligo, PA! OUR family heritage grounds.





Family links:
Parents:
  Charles V. McClelland (1882 - 1925)
  Grace Viola Clark Pandolfino (1888 - 1945) Burial:
Sligo Cemetery
Sligo
Clarion County
Pennsylvania, USA
Created by: Pamela Myers-Grewell
Record added: Aug 24, 2008
Find A Grave Memorial# 29271361


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:54 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 29 December 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

What's not so funny is the ease in which people who deliberately keep themselves ignorant of space technology and operations can just conjure up fantasies that they imagine MIGHT be true without realizing there's a massive chain of preconditions and consequences of such partially-baked notions, that can be checked. Extra 'secret' cameras means different mass properties, different power budgets, especially different comm allocation through multiple relay points, all sorts of features of space operations that are thoroughly transparent to outside observers -- who see no such hints at 'invisible' hardware or images.

Clinging to such patently preposterous 'theories' is easiest if one keeps oneself fundamentally incapable of actually understanding the ramifications of some fantastic proposal -- such as secret cameras and photo sequences. The less one actually knows about real spaceflight [along with the more nonsense one mistakenly 'knows'] the greater the attraction of UFO interpretations.

Very, very well said, sir.  Thank you!


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:58 AM

Good research, new data! Thanks!

But isn't it all still just "what Clark McClelland says"??


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:04 AM

View PostJimOberg, on 29 December 2012 - 06:32 AM, said:

What's not so funny is the ease in which people who deliberately keep themselves ignorant of space technology and operations can just conjure up fantasies that they imagine MIGHT be true without realizing there's a massive chain of preconditions and consequences of such partially-baked notions, that can be checked. Extra 'secret' cameras means different mass properties, different power budgets, especially different comm allocation through multiple relay points, all sorts of features of space operations that are thoroughly transparent to outside observers -- who see no such hints at 'invisible' hardware or images.

Clinging to such patently preposterous 'theories' is easiest if one keeps oneself fundamentally incapable of actually understanding the ramifications of some fantastic proposal -- such as secret cameras and photo sequences. The less one actually knows about real spaceflight [along with the more nonsense one mistakenly 'knows'] the greater the attraction of UFO interpretations.


That got your attention, didn't it?

View PostPericynthion, on 29 December 2012 - 06:54 AM, said:

Very, very well said, sir.  Thank you!


Very well said, indeed, but is any of it true?


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

For those who doubt that there were pictures that NASA kept secret, going back to the Apollo missions, watch this Luna Cognita video.  There has always been a classified side of NASA that keeps two sets of books about UFOs, which no doubt continues up to today.  Quite a few pictures and records are "missing" or not even acknowledged to exist in the first place, but Luna Cognita found evidence for this.




Edited by TheMacGuffin, 29 December 2012 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted 29 December 2012 - 08:45 AM

If you want to know about UFOs in space, Luna Cognita should be one of your first stops, rather than Oberg and the other disinfomers.  For example, this Skylab UFO video will tell you things that Oberg and friends never will.







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