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Did NASA delete evidence of UFOs?


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#16    Valdemar the Great

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:13 AM

View Postzoser, on 20 January 2013 - 11:06 AM, said:

Even NASA take crappy pictures, and you expect better from the common man? We need Jim Oberg's expertise instant dismissal on this
So what it basically is then, is anyone who actually has experience of NASA and the space program is instantly dismissed, but anyone with stupid hair who presents TV shows claiming that everything is the work of Aliens is automatically believed.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:16 AM

As far as the Mystery and Enigmatic Pictures, I think it's generally agreed that that's a bit of debris that flaked off, isn't it? It's been seen many times before, at any rate.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:18 AM

View PostLord Vetinari, on 20 January 2013 - 11:13 AM, said:

So what it basically is then, is anyone who actually has experience of NASA and the space program is instantly dismissed, but anyone with stupid hair who presents TV shows claiming that everything is the work of Aliens is automatically believed.

Bias is easily detectable.  There is no evidence whatsoever that JO or for that matter the majority of people here exercise an open mind when discussing these issues.  Flat out dismissal without consideration of the evidence is the name of the game here.

It's been going on for at least a decade.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 12:49 PM

View Postzoser, on 20 January 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

Bias is easily detectable.  There is no evidence whatsoever that JO or for that matter the majority of people here exercise an open mind when discussing these issues.  Flat out dismissal without consideration of the evidence is the name of the game here.

Here's more inconsiderate [to Zoser's cherished ego-boosting delusions] evidence here, where amateur visual satellite observers discuss, at the time it was happening, the pieces jettisoned from that exact shuttle mission:


contemporary accounts of jettisons, SatObs.org board:
http://satobs.org/se...1998/index.html

specific messages
http://satobs.org/se...-1998/0203.html
http://satobs.org/se...-1998/0215.html
http://satobs.org/se...-1998/0225.html


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Posted 20 January 2013 - 01:10 PM

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Zoser - We need Jim Oberg's expertise instant dismissal on this

Addendum, having just read that post:

Like the OP, the source, MacG and now Zoser have all proven, not many others will properly research this sort of stuff..


That was a priceless demonstration of that which we speak, Zoser.   Perhaps now (better late than never) would be a good time to read Jim's post and follow the links to these images - the ones that were NEVER removed, NEVER hidden..

Your comments about dismissal without consideration of the evidence are some of the purest irony I have seen..

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:49 PM

Jim its like talking to a wall on this topic ! There is no proof that NASA did anything to cover up anything ! "RIGHT " ?

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:14 PM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 20 January 2013 - 07:49 PM, said:

Jim its like talking to a wall on this topic ! There is no proof that NASA did anything to cover up anything ! "RIGHT " ?

Exactly - that is 'the' NASA archive, it's been there for many, many years, and those images have been there since the day they were processed - and it's relatively easy to prove that.

And the nail in the coffin is a very simple observation of the claim..  Did anyone note that at no point did the claimant explain:
- what 'archive' site they were supposedly deleted from.
- when and how they got the images before the supposed deletion
- what the image references were (every similar nasa image file is named in a way that makes it easily identifiable)

And why do you suppose they didn't do any of that?  Just laziness?  Or could it be that by actually giving details, they knew their own lies would be exposed?

BTW, that last one seems to be the commonest deception used by these nasa-haters.  They don't give anything away about the images, especially not filenames or dates/times (and they often crop or process them) and then hope like hell that no-one can find the original source.   Thanks to Jim (and other tools that are now available like Google's reverse image search), they are no longer getting away with it.

It just shows who the real liars and frauds are.

These fraudsters should be despised by genuine ufo researchers, but no, the naive and the biased often accept this garbage with open arms.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:23 PM

View PostChrlzs, on 20 January 2013 - 11:14 PM, said:

These fraudsters should be despised by genuine ufo researchers, but no, the naive and the biased often accept this garbage with open arms.

That is something I would dearly love to see overcome. Not just for the field of UFOlogy but to make it difficult for these hucksters to ply their trade. I don't like to see anybody taken advantage of regardless of whether or not we agree on any given topic.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:24 PM

View Postzoser, on 20 January 2013 - 11:18 AM, said:

Bias is easily detectable.  There is no evidence whatsoever that JO or for that matter the majority of people here exercise an open mind when discussing these issues.  Flat out dismissal without consideration of the evidence is the name of the game here.

It's been going on for at least a decade.


Bias is detectable, and your's stands out like a sore thumb. Trashing people like JO is silly because you are not even so much as a pimple in his behind.

Illustrate the flat out dismissal Zoser, I dare you, yet again like I have so many times, and like you have ignored so many times. We can see what your opinions is based on. Ignorance, again, you have not even read the posts. The OP said the photos had been deleted, and Jim provided links to the so called deleted photos on line. The only bias being shown is your continually amazing deliberate ignorance and refusal to read posts you comment on. You have now resorted to attacking professionals and lying about claims. Not that such was unexpected. This is where the woo woo train always goes.

What is flat out dismissal if not complaining about a post that has been answered right in front of you? The claimed missing data is not missing. Now what Zoser?

And what you are doing has been going on for more than a decade. Nothing to be proud of though.

Edited by psyche101, 20 January 2013 - 11:26 PM.

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Posted 20 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

View Postthe L, on 20 January 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

I wouldnt know.

Now you do ;)


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During spacewalks debris, both small and large, are often thrown off the station for convenience, although sometimes tools unintentionally slip away.  Such was the case in December 1998  when a slidewire carrier and a worksite interface were lost by the STS-88 crew while conducting an extravehicular activity (EVA) for ISS.  These objects were large enough to be tracked by the U.S. SSN and were cataloged (U.S. satellite numbers 25564 and 25565).  Three other objects were also released by STS-88 spacewalkers, one inadvertently (an insulation blanket) and two by design (antenna spools), although only the former was officially cataloged (Debris, 1999)


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Posted 21 January 2013 - 12:08 AM

Here's more on that mission. The SatObs group was discussing the exact items thrown overboard and how they were being tracked.


contemporary accounts of jettisons, SatObs.org board:
http://satobs.org/se...1998/index.html

http://satobs.org/se...-1998/0203.html
http://satobs.org/se...-1998/0215.html
http://satobs.org/se...-1998/0225.html


PAO image gallery including spacewalks:
http://www.spaceflig...lery/search.cgi





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