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#301    shrooma

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 10:43 AM

i've read his website thoroughly, but even at a glance, even anyone with a rudimentary understanding of statistical probability and geometry can spot the holes and errors from five ft away. if you're going to use markers for a ley, ancient markers, then you don't use markers of a relatively young age and then assume they're sited on top of ancient sites on the basis of a few lumps of stone found in the foundations, it's just not how accuracy works, and when you remove these sites, you're left with no more than two sites per ring, and he'd have gotten more if he'd have gone for straight lines, after all, you can't shake a stick on the marlborough downs without hitting some kind of (authentic) antiquity. also, did you notice the amount of number-fudging he came up with to make his pyramid geometry work? rounding numbers up everywhere, trying to make his pyramid fit into his circles by placing it off-centre because it's too small, and even trying to use '666' into his calculations, when the truth is, the original number in the bible was 616, not 666 (it was changed MUCH later to appear more 'mystical'), and that's even assuming the ancient egyptians found it of significance nearly three millennia before the gospels of st john were written.
if you want to know about archeoastronomy, or the relationships of megalithic sites and their landscapes, you'd be far better of reading alexander thom, or aubrey burl, who have both spent decades out in the field, taking meticulous measurements, than some guy who uses flawed data & assumptions in the hope of persuading people to buy his ley-line maps at £25 a pop.....

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 12:35 PM

View Postshrooma, on 14 May 2013 - 10:43 AM, said:

i've read his website thoroughly, but even at a glance, even anyone with a rudimentary understanding of statistical probability and geometry can spot the holes and errors from five ft away. if you're going to use markers for a ley, ancient markers, then you don't use markers of a relatively young age and then assume they're sited on top of ancient sites on the basis of a few lumps of stone found in the foundations, it's just not how accuracy works, and when you remove these sites, you're left with no more than two sites per ring, and he'd have gotten more if he'd have gone for straight lines, after all, you can't shake a stick on the marlborough downs without hitting some kind of (authentic) antiquity. also, did you notice the amount of number-fudging he came up with to make his pyramid geometry work? rounding numbers up everywhere, trying to make his pyramid fit into his circles by placing it off-centre because it's too small, and even trying to use '666' into his calculations, when the truth is, the original number in the bible was 616, not 666 (it was changed MUCH later to appear more 'mystical'), and that's even assuming the ancient egyptians found it of significance nearly three millennia before the gospels of st john were written.
if you want to know about archeoastronomy, or the relationships of megalithic sites and their landscapes, you'd be far better of reading alexander thom, or aubrey burl, who have both spent decades out in the field, taking meticulous measurements, than some guy who uses flawed data & assumptions in the hope of persuading people to buy his ley-line maps at £25 a pop.....

David Furlong wrote about what he had actually found on the Marlborough Downs. You cannot say that some church sites were not based on preChristian sacred sites i.e very ancient Holy ground as it is clear that the early Christian church recommended this practice. Whether the early church was aware that these sacred sites had a geometrical significance is another matter... but they do.
Using links to the Great Pyramid David Furlong identified a focal point, Temple Farm near Marlborough, and further investigation by others shows quite clearly that this focal point is geometrically linked to many sites that align in the Holy Land and to churches or locations chosen by Jesus for messages in the first 3 Chapters of the Book of Revelations. All that is factual information the implications of which require careful and level headed consideration.

Your dismissive anger at these suggestions indicates that these ideas and proposals somehow challenge your view of the world, the past and religion which is unfortunate for you because the geometry is telling us the truth.


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 08:39 PM

What I would like to see is a "reverse crop circle" where the ETs make the crops Longer/Taller and make a symbol that way rather then ruining perfectly good crops with their inane picture puzzles.

I'd like to see them do something really eye catching and impossible by modern techniques.

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:08 PM

is there any law or statute by which these crop circle making "aliens" can be fined/sued??

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:08 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 14 May 2013 - 08:39 PM, said:

What I would like to see is a "reverse crop circle" where the ETs make the crops Longer/Taller and make a symbol that way rather then ruining perfectly good crops with their inane picture puzzles.

I'd like to see them do something really eye catching and impossible by modern techniques.

Who knows what may be next ...?


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Posted 14 May 2013 - 11:13 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 14 May 2013 - 09:08 PM, said:

is there any law or statute by which these crop circle making "aliens" can be fined/sued??

The circle makers,of human ones, leave no address or contact details and as for the others the crops are not broken so continue to grow...


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:06 AM

View Postlaver, on 14 May 2013 - 12:35 PM, said:

Your dismissive anger at these suggestions indicates that these ideas and proposals somehow challenge your view of the world, the past and religion which is unfortunate for you because the geometry is telling us the truth.
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'anger'?
'challenging my worldview'?
'my view of the past'?
thing is laver, i've spent 30yrs travelling the country, going to these places, from the orkneys to cornwall, spending time at them, being there, investigating them, seeing their relationships with the land and the skies around them, whereas you've read 'a book'.
and a very poor one at that.
you really know nothing of the places you're speaking of, yet you consider yourself an 'expert' because you honestly believe the fallacies you've been told about by 'a book'
you offer no credible evidence or explanation other than meaningless assumptions, quoted over & over again, from 'a book'.
belief isn't fact, but when YOUR beliefs are challenged by facts, you simply quote the same passages ad nauseum from 'a book'. not even several books either, just one.
it isn't MY worldview that's being challenged here laver, i've spent more years than you've been alive at these places, I know all about them, from having viewed them in the world, but rather it's your belief in 'a book' that's being challenged, but as usual when a 'belief' is challenged by a 'fact' the belief will always close up shop saying 'you're wrong, my book says so', without offering a single, reputable piece of evidence or proof in it's defence.
and as for 'angry', well, that's something else you're way off the mark with too, so I really wouldn't try playing that little game if I was you, as it shows more than a little immaturity.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:30 AM

View Postshrooma, on 15 May 2013 - 12:06 AM, said:

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'anger'?
'challenging my worldview'?
'my view of the past'?
thing is laver, i've spent 30yrs travelling the country, going to these places, from the orkneys to cornwall, spending time at them, being there, investigating them, seeing their relationships with the land and the skies around them, whereas you've read 'a book'.
and a very poor one at that.
you really know nothing of the places you're speaking of, yet you consider yourself an 'expert' because you honestly believe the fallacies you've been told about by 'a book'
you offer no credible evidence or explanation other than meaningless assumptions, quoted over & over again, from 'a book'.
belief isn't fact, but when YOUR beliefs are challenged by facts, you simply quote the same passages ad nauseum from 'a book'. not even several books either, just one.
it isn't MY worldview that's being challenged here laver, i've spent more years than you've been alive at these places, I know all about them, from having viewed them in the world, but rather it's your belief in 'a book' that's being challenged, but as usual when a 'belief' is challenged by a 'fact' the belief will always close up shop saying 'you're wrong, my book says so', without offering a single, reputable piece of evidence or proof in it's defence.
and as for 'angry', well, that's something else you're way off the mark with too, so I really wouldn't try playing that little game if I was you, as it shows more than a little immaturity.

Very sorry for you that in your obviously extensive look at ancient sites you missed the point. David Furlong's important book is just one part of the story but very significant because it gives us the focal point for a very ancient design of landscape geometry which was clearly marked out over great distances and related to the Holy Land from long before the time of Abraham. It also seems to have been clearly linked to the New Testament stories of Jesus much of which has been covered up for a very long time. But truth will out as I expect you will soon see.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:46 AM

It is still Trespass, isn't it? You can't just walk onto anyones land and start stomping out circles and squares.... Unless the UK is that much different from the US?

Suppose putting bear traps out in the fields would be against the law also??? You'd only need 3 or 4. Once someone steps in one, they'll not be back to your fields....

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 06:50 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 15 May 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

It is still Trespass, isn't it? You can't just walk onto anyones land and start stomping out circles and squares.... Unless the UK is that much different from the US?


oh of course, yes, but the "Cereologists", as they pretentiously call themselves, aren't othered about that, if they can show the world how clever they are and have a good laugh at how they get all the gullbile people talking about ETs and Revelation. Like with all vandals.

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Suppose putting bear traps out in the fields would be against the law also??? You'd only need 3 or 4. Once someone steps in one, they'll not be back to your fields....
I recommend anti-personnel mines.

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 15 May 2013 - 12:46 AM, said:

It is still Trespass, isn't it? You can't just walk onto anyones land and start stomping out circles and squares.... Unless the UK is that much different from the US?

Suppose putting bear traps out in the fields would be against the law also??? You'd only need 3 or 4. Once someone steps in one, they'll not be back to your fields....

There has been one person I believe who was taken to court and fined


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 10:11 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 15 May 2013 - 06:50 AM, said:

oh of course, yes, but the "Cereologists", as they pretentiously call themselves, aren't othered about that, if they can show the world how clever they are and have a good laugh at how they get all the gullbile people talking about ETs and Revelation. Like with all vandals.


I recommend anti-personnel mines.

This would all depend on how many are manmade and how many may not be, there are lots of signs of that !


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 12:12 PM

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Very sorry for you that in your obviously extensive look at ancient sites you missed the point. David Furlong's important book is just one part of the story but very significant because it gives us the focal point for a very ancient design of landscape geometry which was clearly marked out over great distances and related to the Holy Land from long before the time of Abraham. It also seems to have been clearly linked to the New Testament stories of Jesus much of which has been covered up for a very long time. But truth will out as I expect you will soon see.
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missed the point?
how on earth do you come to that conclusion??
I understand full well the importance of sacred landscapes & archeoastronomy, and how they relate to each other. for example, spending the last lunar standstill up in aberdeen to watch the moon roll across a stone circle's recumbent stone, and UNDERSTANDING WHY the circle & its recumbent were placed there.
it had nothing to do with being connected to anything else other than the ideal place in the landscape to view the phenomenon.
or watching the previous one at the small stone circle opposite robin hood's stride in derbyshire, and UNDERSTANDING WHY the circle was placed where it was, not because it was connected by leys to machu picchu, but as a gathering point for the local tribe to watch the local shaman, framed between the two natural rock pillars of the stride, as the moon set precisely where he said it would, behind him, before it started its 9yr journey back the other way.
you see laver, I UNDERSTAND the purpose of a sacred landscape, and why it's there, what it meant to the people who built it, and it has nothing to do with space aliens telling the egyptians where to put the pyramids so they could play a global game of join-the-dots with a farm(??) in wiltshire (as opposed to the dozens of megalithic sites in the area), so I don't think i've missed the point.
at all.
far from it in fact.
rather, I think you've been misled into putting all your faith into a book written by a charlatan who's sole motive is profiteering.
'very clearly marked out'??
'it would seem'??
again, you offer nothing more than proofless conjecture & maybe's.
somehow, I don't think i'm the one who's 'missed the point'.
and as for the truth willing out, I hope you brought a good (ie-different) book with you, as it seems you're in for a very long wait.....

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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:39 PM

View Postshrooma, on 15 May 2013 - 12:12 PM, said:

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missed the point?
how on earth do you come to that conclusion??
I understand full well the importance of sacred landscapes & archeoastronomy, and how they relate to each other. for example, spending the last lunar standstill up in aberdeen to watch the moon roll across a stone circle's recumbent stone, and UNDERSTANDING WHY the circle & its recumbent were placed there.
it had nothing to do with being connected to anything else other than the ideal place in the landscape to view the phenomenon.
or watching the previous one at the small stone circle opposite robin hood's stride in derbyshire, and UNDERSTANDING WHY the circle was placed where it was, not because it was connected by leys to machu picchu, but as a gathering point for the local tribe to watch the local shaman, framed between the two natural rock pillars of the stride, as the moon set precisely where he said it would, behind him, before it started its 9yr journey back the other way.
you see laver, I UNDERSTAND the purpose of a sacred landscape, and why it's there, what it meant to the people who built it, and it has nothing to do with space aliens telling the egyptians where to put the pyramids so they could play a global game of join-the-dots with a farm(??) in wiltshire (as opposed to the dozens of megalithic sites in the area), so I don't think i've missed the point.
at all.
far from it in fact.
rather, I think you've been misled into putting all your faith into a book written by a charlatan who's sole motive is profiteering.
'very clearly marked out'??
'it would seem'??
again, you offer nothing more than proofless conjecture & maybe's.
somehow, I don't think i'm the one who's 'missed the point'.
and as for the truth willing out, I hope you brought a good (ie-different) book with you, as it seems you're in for a very long wait.....

There is really no justification for calling David Furlong the author of The Keys to the Temple a 'charlatan' because you do not agree with his geometric discoveries and also inferring on another thread that I started about a book by Professor Richard Dawkins ' The God Delusion' that I had not even read it and was misquoting from Google.
I think the anger you express will tell many readers of your posts much about how you try to personalise discussions and insult and displays your basic insecurities and weaknesses.


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Posted 15 May 2013 - 04:43 PM

View Postlaver, on 15 May 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

There is really no justification for calling David Furlong the author of The Keys to the Temple a 'charlatan' because you do not agree with his geometric discoveries and also inferring on another thread that I started about a book by Professor Richard Dawkins ' The God Delusion' that I had not even read it and was misquoting from Google.
I think the anger you express will tell many readers of your posts much about how you try to personalise discussions and insult and displays your basic insecurities and weaknesses.
So basically, reading something in a Book trumps first-hand experience and research any day, then. Have you researched Professor David Furlong's qualifications and his experience at studying this subject, so you're satisfied that he is one of the world's leading authorities on the subject, or do you just believe him because he wrote a best selling Book?

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