Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 #1 Share Posted December 12, 2004 (edited) In history there were people who are claimed to be enlightened and the descendent of god: we have Jesus, Buddha , Krishna, Horus. Mithra of persia and prometheus of greece. i already wrote about the existence of christ and its many tales that were copied and made up of other sons of god. The legend of jesus is almost identical to the krishna mythos and the horus tale. Only difference is the time it was written. the tales of jesus has elements of other stories. Jesus buddha Krishna Horus Mithra and prometeus have a lot in common with eachother look at buddha: he was also born of a virgin buddha performed miracles and wonders, he healed the sick and fed 500 humans from a small basket of cake and walked on water. he never wanted to be worshipped and spoke of a righteousness(sounds familiar right?) Buddha was considered the good shepherd the carpenter and more. a lot of similarities with jesus. actually it should be the other way around seeing that buddha is older then jesus Move on to Horus horus was born of a virgin he had 12 disciples also performed miracles and raised a man from the death he also walked on water he was associated with a lamb Mithra sungod of persia ALso born of a virgin 12 disciples performed miracles he was buried in a tomb and was resurrected His sacred day was sunday Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected Krishna he was born of a virgin his father was a carpenter His birth was attended by angels, wise men and shepherds, and he was presented with gold also performed miracles he raised the dead and healed lepers, the deaf and the blind he rose from the dead his disciples bestowed upon him the title "jezeus," meaning "pure essence prometheus prometheus descended from heaven as god incarnate as man, to save mankind. he was crucified, suffered and rose from the dead so the myth of jesus is a myth based on other myths. these facts just say it all Edited December 12, 2004 by Hotoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraphina Posted December 12, 2004 #2 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Prepair to be disbelieved, with a variety of weird and wacky reasons as to why you are wrong For what it's worth, again, well researched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 Author #3 Share Posted December 12, 2004 (edited) Prepair to be disbelieved, with a variety of weird and wacky reasons as to why you are wrong For what it's worth, again, well researched. 400445[/snapback] i am expecting something in the line of: but jesus said he was the son of god and: according to the bible they never existed Edited December 12, 2004 by Hotoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted December 12, 2004 #4 Share Posted December 12, 2004 IMHO, Christianity evolved from Mithraism-Judaism syncratism at first. As a matter of fact, I find little difference between Catholicism and Mithraism in their rituals and many shared ideals. I think Mithraism played as important part in the creation of Christianity as Judaism did (well, at least Roman christianity, and later Orthodox and Protestant christianity). Then, every church absorbed into that Judeo-Mithraic syncratism all sorts of heathen beliefs from the people they converted. The protestant churches, as a matter of fact, being that they are mainly prevelent among Germanic people (Anglo-Saxons, Germans, Duths, Scandinavians etc.), absorbed many of the Germanic beliefs. As the Germanic people first followed Catholic church, Catholicism still today has many Germanic traditions as well. It is interesting to note though that Christianity is almost clean of any Slavic heathen beliefs, because by the time the Slavs were converted, the schism between Rome and Constantinople has already occurd, an so Orthodox Christianity might be clean of many Germanic beliefs, is does have a great deal of Slavic heathen beliefs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted December 12, 2004 #5 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Also, I would like to point that no one here of all those believers ever tackled the question I reaptedly asked here: If Jesus was the biological son of God, how can he be the biological son of Joseph? And if he isn't the biological son of Joseph, how can he be of the blood line of king David? And if he isn't of the blood line of David, how can he be the Messiah (or Christ)? The bible clearly states that the Messiah should be of the blood line of David. It is nice and all that he is the son of God, but the bible doesn't say anything about the son of God doing anything (the reason for this is that such belief that Gods and humans can produce children would be paganist according to the bible ), it says about a Messiah, which in no way would be the son of God. I'm still waiting for my answer... (which I'm sure will never come) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 Author #6 Share Posted December 12, 2004 who is this we jesus you talk about?Looking for answers in the bible is wrong. the bible contradicts itself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 Author #7 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Also, I would like to point that no one here of all those believers ever tackled the question I reaptedly asked here: If Jesus was the biological son of God, how can he be the biological son of Joseph? And if he isn't the biological son of Joseph, how can he be of the blood line of king David? And if he isn't of the blood line of David, how can he be the Messiah (or Christ)? The bible clearly states that the Messiah should be of the blood line of David. It is nice and all that he is the son of God, but the bible doesn't say anything about the son of God doing anything (the reason for this is that such belief that Gods and humans can produce children would be paganist according to the bible ), it says about a Messiah, which in no way would be the son of God. I'm still waiting for my answer... (which I'm sure will never come) 400487[/snapback] religious people are allergic to facts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 12, 2004 #8 Share Posted December 12, 2004 actually....krishna wasnt crussified. he was cursed by the mother of a dead royal whom he, along with the pandavs killed. he was cursed...then went away supposedly to return again one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted December 12, 2004 #9 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Don't think Horus was crusified either. Cruisifiction was a roman thing. Eqyptians did impailing on a pole, pole lifted up, and left to die thing. Osiris is another example of Eqyptian dieing horribly, and being ressurected thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 12, 2004 #10 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Don't think Horus was crusified either. Cruisifiction was a roman thing. Eqyptians did impailing on a pole, pole lifted up, and left to die thing. Osiris is another example of Eqyptian dieing horribly, and being ressurected thing. 400521[/snapback] osiris was cut up into 9 pieces i think..or was it 7??? and then scattered around. Isis, consort of Osiris...was left to pick up the pieces...literally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted December 12, 2004 #11 Share Posted December 12, 2004 More like, the peices grew out (symbolizing the growth of the harvest) and also was found in a collumn. Isis (his sister/wife) Horus, and Anupu(Anubis as we know him now thanks to the greeks) Did a rite and ressurected him. He now presides as ruler to the underworld, and as a reminder of his love for his people, the regrowth of the plants for harvest each year. Eqyptians did live and worship with a closeness to nature. It wasn't a paradise, and their government was riddled with corruption... but I mean, name me a government that isn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 12, 2004 #12 Share Posted December 12, 2004 buddha, also wasnt crucified...he died of old age and illness, and hung onto life for 3 more months "in order that this [buddhism] religion may last long and be perpetuated for the good and happiness of the great multitudes".... three months later he died. death of buddha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 12, 2004 #13 Share Posted December 12, 2004 ok Osiris was tricked into a casket by his brother Seth, and filled with molten lead. then thrown into the nile. Isis went looking and found he coffin in a tree. Seth found out, went and cut Osiris into 14 pieses and scattered them around egypt. Isis, again went to find Osiris. she found all pieces except his phallus which was eaten by fish. when she found a piece, she built an alter to thank the gods. she resurected him for long enough to impregnate her and give birth to Horus who would defeat Seth. then Osiris became god of the afterlife. OSiris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 Author #14 Share Posted December 12, 2004 (edited) actually....krishna wasnt crussified. he was cursed by the mother of a dead royal whom he, along with the pandavs killed. he was cursed...then went away supposedly to return again one day 400517[/snapback] yeah true . but in some traditons it was believed he was Krishna and jesus Edited December 12, 2004 by Hotoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted December 12, 2004 #15 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Actually, crucifixion originated with ancient Persians. There is evidence that captured pirates were crucified in the port of Athens in the 7th century BC. Alexander the Great introduced the practice throughout his empire. He once crucified a general who disagreed with his campaign plans. The Romans adopted the custom from Carthage and used it for slaves, rebels, and especially despised enemies and criminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 Author #16 Share Posted December 12, 2004 buddha, also wasnt crucified...he died of old age and illness, and hung onto life for 3 more months "in order that this [buddhism] religion may last long and be perpetuated for the good and happiness of the great multitudes".... three months later he died. death of buddha 400567[/snapback] i removed my horrible error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 12, 2004 #17 Share Posted December 12, 2004 here goes......the death of krishna as follows However, Gandhari, mother of the Kauravas cursed him to witness the degeneration and death of his kin and die like a common beast at the hands of a hunter. Krishna accepted this curse willing to pay the price for dharma. Gandhari's curse came true years later. The war had divided the Yadavas into those who supported the Pandavas and those who did not. Years later, argument between two inebriated groups turned into a battle. Krishna like Gandhari, saw his sons, grand sons and great grandsons fight and kill each other. Soon after this the sea engulfed the city of Dwaraka. in despair, Balarama denounced the world and let his life slip out of him. Contemplating these events , Krishna lay under a banyan tree. A hunter mistook his foot for the ear of a deer and shot his poisoned dart at him. As the poison entered his body, the spirit of Vishnu left it's earthly abode and returned to Vaikuntha. Death Of Krishna im still looking for the crucification of Krishna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 12, 2004 Author #18 Share Posted December 12, 2004 Were Krishna and Yeshua both crucified and later raised to heaven? In addition to the above points of correspondence between Yeshua and Krishna, there may be one more similarity: they may have both been crucified. In his book, Graves stated flatly that both Yeshua and Krishna were crucified between two thieves, at the age of about 30 to 36 by "wicked hands." However, this may have been wishful thinking. The "common, orthodox depiction of Krishna's death relates that he was shot in the foot with an arrow while under a tree." 5 But: The author Jacolliot, referring to the "Bagaveda-Gita and Brahminical traditions," states that the body of Krishna: "was suspended to the branches of a tree by his murderer, that it might become the prey of the vultures...[Later] the mortal frame of the Redeemer had disappeared--no doubt it had regained the celestial abodes..." 6 M. Guigniaut's Religion de l'Antiquité, which states: "The death of Crishna is very differently related. One remarkable and convincing tradition makes him perish on a tree, to which he was nailed by the stroke of an arrow." 7 There are other references to Krishna being crucified, and being shown with holes in his feet, hands and side. 5 In the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) Yeshua's crucifixion on a cross or stake is often referred to as being "hung on a tree:" Acts 5:30: "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus...hanging him on a tree. Acts 10:39: "...hanging him on a tree." Acts 13:29: "...they took him down from the tree..." Galatians 3:13: "Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree." 1 Peter 2:24: "...who his own self bare our sins in his body upon the tree.. The death and return of superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 13, 2004 #19 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Good post.... i am not sure what happened to Krishna after his death. here are some differences..... Buddha was not born a b******, he died of natural causes, noone betrayed him, never said he was the son of god, has a recorded childhood Krishna was born of a woman who was unable to concieve (a relation to his true mother. he was divinly sent from his mothers womb to the woman who can concieves womb). had a brother born the same way but of a different person. killed demons and took part in war. said he WAS the reincarnation of the god vishnu. died as an indirect result of a curse from the mother of an enemy. had children and great grand children (all died before he did) has a recorded (may be mythological) childhood Christ was born of a virgin....which might have been, at the time, a nicer way of saying he was born out of wedlock (seeing as it was frowned apon to have intercorse before marriage. he has an unrecorded childhood. was a pacifist, said he was the son of god but not god. was crucified and betrayed by a close follower/friend. was resurected. as far as i have researched the only things that they have in common are : they all had followers all healed people and performed miracles all decended from a royal bloodline im sure theres more though ill look at some other stuff about Osiris, horus, mithra and prometheus and continue posting my finds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insight Posted December 13, 2004 #20 Share Posted December 13, 2004 who is this we jesus you talk about?Looking for answers in the bible is wrong. the bible contradicts itself 400500[/snapback] Name a single contradiction and i shall explain it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverCougar Posted December 13, 2004 #21 Share Posted December 13, 2004 "thou shall not kill" "Love thy neighbor" "Suffer a witch not to live" What if your neighbor is a witch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyKade Posted December 13, 2004 #22 Share Posted December 13, 2004 "thou shall not kill" "Love thy neighbor" "Suffer a witch not to live" What if your neighbor is a witch? 401352[/snapback] niceeeeeeeeeethought id need to get my thinking hat out...but low and gehold SilverCougar saved the day...yay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erikl Posted December 13, 2004 #23 Share Posted December 13, 2004 (edited) Name a single contradiction and i shall explain it to you. And yet you too comfortably ignored the serious flaw I pointed out.... *tsk*... Being a bit selective are we? Edited December 13, 2004 by Erikl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted December 13, 2004 Author #24 Share Posted December 13, 2004 who is this we jesus you talk about?Looking for answers in the bible is wrong. the bible contradicts itself 400500[/snapback] Name a single contradiction and i shall explain it to you. 401346[/snapback] i have another threat about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loge Posted December 14, 2004 #25 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Relax, all of you are children of God! Psalms, psalm 82: 1: God (El) stands in the congregation of the Gods (Elohim); he (Eheie) judges among the Gods (Elohim). 2: How long will you judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? 3: Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4: Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5: They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6: I have said, You are Gods (Elohim); and all of you are children (Beni-Elohim) of (Elion) the most High. 7: But you shall die like Adam, and fall like one of the princes (sharim). 8: Arise, all of you Gods (Elohim), judge the earth: for all of you (eventually) shall inherit the (heavenly) realms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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