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#46    James Atkin

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 04:51 PM

Any excuse i guess.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 06:31 PM

Dr.Melba Ketchum. Google it.


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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:43 PM

View Post11BRAVO, on 06 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Dr.Melba Ketchum. Google it.



Why?........DNA does not take over a year to test.

More publicity for " Sasquatch the Quest "

Sylvanic is just as believable.


They are all a joke, and just trying to make a buck off of a urban legend.

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 08:52 PM

I believe when confronted with a camera they dissolve into a pool of tears.
Squonky devils.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 10 December 2012 - 10:29 PM

View PostNight Walker, on 21 January 2012 - 02:11 AM, said:

Well, apparently there are photographs of the Yowie (the Australian Bigfoot) in existence which may or may not be published in Green's latest self-published book:

Posted Image http://yowiehunter.c...article&id=1566

Brett Green (Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:34 am): All I am going to say is that the cover image was taken from a genuine photograph from 1998; verified; and has been kept under "wraps"since then along with 3 others. I am yet to decide whether to keep it in or not due to some making adverse comments on forum and directly at Dean - he has copped enough s..... in the past and I would not like him to have further stabs in the back for doing me a favour. The book will go ahead (with or without changes) with printing starting shortly. http://www.yowiehunt...hp?f=45&p=26666

Update - Source of Brett Green's Yowie Photo revealed:

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Posted Image Yes! Canada's most fearsome predator. The Kodiak Marmoset – it's the world's largest smallest primate. "My God! He's killing us..."

The Yowie-ocalypse is upon us...

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Posted 11 December 2012 - 11:28 AM

Why does every other animal show up on trail cam photos?
To show bigfoot how it's done.

"See, you just step here, turn, and look surprised."
"Or, you just creep past and look sneaky."

Poor Foots. Just can't get the hang of it though.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:56 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 10 December 2012 - 10:29 PM, said:

Update - Source of Brett Green's Yowie Photo revealed:

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I am also tenuously linked to this hoax.

In 2009, while independently investigating the infamous “Yowie Attack” claim made by prominent a yowie researcher, I met with Gympie policeman and yowie researcher, Steve Carter, who was part of that particular “expedition”. As an aside, Carter stated that he knew of someone who had actual photographic evidence of the Yowie but would not give out further details. As a police officer, Carter came across as credible but I was also wary because of his close association and complicity with both the “Yowie Attack” hoaxer and local Gympie author, Brett Green, who has a long and well documented history of fabricating evidence to support his outlandish claims and theories. Such is the nature of cryptozoology, I suppose…

Anyhow, in subsequent online conversations Carter kept dropping teasers about these Yowie photographs and their significance but without providing anything that could be verified so it didn’t really interest me. After all, we’ve all seen the games of bait-and-switch employed on these forums by those with incredible claims, right? Finally, he offered to find out some information about a Yowie footprint cast that I was after in exchange for me suggesting a top-line place for photographic analysis. With nothing to lose I suggested http://www.kerrial.com/ and that was the last I ever heard about the alleged Yowie photographs (Carter never lived up to his end of the bargain either) until 2012 when a Yowie book was self-published and included those alleged Yowie photographs – one which can be seen on the cover (above).

Steve Carter: Luckily for Brett and the AYR team, we have had some help along the way as to where to take the photos to authenticate them. In fact, AYR's old friend, "Nightwalker", pointed us in the right direction some years ago now. From the entire AYR team, we say, "Thank-you, Nightwalker!".
http://www.yowiehunt...php?t=4112&f=45

"AYR's old friend" - I feel ill... This is my tenuous link to the hoax.

Green and Carter subsequently claimed that a government raid confiscated Green’s files and negatives but that an ongoing investigation of the original photographs and site was in place and that a third-party analysis by the group I had previously suggested was in the process of validating this amazing evidence. Then the video of Bigfoot figurine surfaced a few days ago. Except for the people actually involved, everything else – the Yowie, the details of the claims, the on-going investigation, the government raid, etc. was pure fiction/fantasy. They never happened...

Such shenanigans are not an aberration but rather are representative of the level and extent of storytelling and fakery which largely sustains the Yowie mythos. If the "experts" can do it on quite a large scale (often claiming multiple, dozens, or even hundreds of sightings) what is stopping others doing likewise on an individual or lesser basis? Could this not account for the vast majority of Yowie claims? (After all, most Yowie claims come from and via these "Yowie experts".) Have we not seen this repeated time and trime again on this forum alone (and across a wide selection of mysterious claims)? Are the people who promote such things and the shenanigans they engage in a big part of the reason why Yowie/Bigfoot claims are not really taken seriously?

Myths are an important part of our identities and social lives. They don’t invent themselves – people invent them and people reinvent them. People just like these “yowie researchers” and their associated circle of friends. This is what folklore is and always has been – the dynamic re-living of belief and tradition. The experience may seem real but any creature is imaginary, fictitious, and incidental to the act of storytelling, the performance of belief.

Aren’t the ongoing shenanigans of the self-proclaimed “experts” the best evidence of the real nature of the Bigfoot phenomenon?

Posted Image Yes! Canada's most fearsome predator. The Kodiak Marmoset – it's the world's largest smallest primate. "My God! He's killing us..."

The Yowie-ocalypse is upon us...

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:12 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 12 December 2012 - 04:56 AM, said:

Aren’t the ongoing shenanigans of the self-proclaimed “experts” the best evidence of the real nature of the Bigfoot phenomenon?

Habituation sites do it for me. I find them the most disturbing of experts' stories. You mention them, your credibility, had you any, evaporates.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:27 AM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 12 December 2012 - 05:12 AM, said:

Habituation sites do it for me. I find them the most disturbing of experts' stories. You mention them, your credibility, had you any, evaporates.

Alleged habituation sites have the potential to yield tremendous insights into the Bigfoot phenomenon. On one hand,if Bigfoot is real and clans of them are in regualr contact with select people then the objective evidence of their presence must be overwhelming. On the other, if Bigfoot is fictional/imaginary then this gives us an opportunity to observe exactly what is happening in these alleged habituation sites - how Bigfoot is imagined, fabricated, and experienced...

Bigfoot lives through the people that claim to experience Bigfoot. We can study that and learn from it...

Posted Image Yes! Canada's most fearsome predator. The Kodiak Marmoset – it's the world's largest smallest primate. "My God! He's killing us..."

The Yowie-ocalypse is upon us...

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 11:30 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 12 December 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

Alleged habituation sites have the potential to yield tremendous insights into the Bigfoot phenomenon. On one hand,if Bigfoot is real and clans of them are in regualr contact with select people then the objective evidence of their presence must be overwhelming. On the other, if Bigfoot is fictional/imaginary then this gives us an opportunity to observe exactly what is happening in these alleged habituation sites - how Bigfoot is imagined, fabricated, and experienced...

Bigfoot lives through the people that claim to experience Bigfoot. We can study that and learn from it...

I do not believe there is a bigfoot anywhere out there to socialize with, so I'm afraid I don't share all of your optimism.
I've read some of their stories and listened to live audio recordings as they describe or experience their repeated interactions and communication with bigfoot.

It is interesting from a psychological perspective, I agree.
But it gives me the willies.

If they truly believe they are physically communing with bigfoot, they need help, imo. And there is no shame in that.
If they know they are liars, they should be ashamed.

--Some footers spend time out looking. Wondering if this or that could be a sign.

--Others make a profit because they know where the bigfoot are and for some bucks people can experience a sound or a tent rub or FLIR image, exactly like on Finding Bigfoot. Join us, we won't give you much, just a big ambiguous tease for you to define as you please.

--Others talk at length about their regular intimate (not sexual) interactions and communications with bigfoot. I can see believing a sound is a bigfoot reply or bigfoot song, but how do they "believe" they fed bigfoot, or touched bigfoot, or got him to paint a picture (all in their presence)? That can only be delusional or drug induced or a conscious lie, imo.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 12 December 2012 - 11:39 AM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:23 PM

And even habituation encounters that are milder in nature, that is with only brief sightings and more sight unseen "gift/food exchange" and "game playing" activity. Listening to them tell their stories is still too bizarre and weak to be taken seriously.
They can film after the fact but not during? Yet make it public?

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 07:24 PM

Well the reason we can't get a clear picture is simple, they don't exist. Can't take a pic of something that isn't there to begin with.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:28 PM

Knowing humans, I believe there are plenty out there, all over the world, who if they really had any encounters would have cashed in on it by now.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 12 December 2012 - 08:28 PM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

The heart of Man is not compound of lies,
but draws some wisdom from the only Wise,
and still recalls him. Though now long estranged,
Man is not wholly lost nor wholly changed.
Dis-graced he may be, yet is not dethroned,
and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned,
his world-dominion by creative act:
not his to worship the great Artefact,
Man, Sub-creator, the refracted light
through whom is splintered from a single White
to many hues, and endlessly combined
in living shapes that move from mind to mind.
Though all the crannies of the world we filled
with Elves and Goblins, though we dared to build
Gods and their houses out of dark and light,
and sowed the seed of dragons, 'twas our right
(used or misused). The right has not decayed.
We make still by the law in which we're made.


Yes! 'wish-fulfilment dreams' we spin to cheat
our timid hearts and ugly Fact defeat!


From JRR Tolkien’s Mythopoeia  – “To one who said that myths were lies and therefore worthless”

Posted Image Yes! Canada's most fearsome predator. The Kodiak Marmoset – it's the world's largest smallest primate. "My God! He's killing us..."

The Yowie-ocalypse is upon us...

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 02:40 AM

View PostNight Walker, on 12 December 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

From JRR Tolkien’s Mythopoeia  – “To one who said that myths were lies and therefore worthless”

I do not pretend to understand Tolkien and I do not pretend to understand mythology as you well as you do, NW.

What I question is:

While we may learn societal truths from mythological stories themselves or learn about ourselves from the background that surrounds humans and their love/use of myths…
how is this to be accepted or embraced  or respected or worthy of anything when the myths come from the scientific realm and not the mythical/philosophical/spiritual one?

I don’t find bigfoot as “enlightening” as even most mythology. In this day and age, I find it disturbing and damaging and nothing more than a con when it comes from science in the form of what we are used to seeing with bigfoot. (Dr. Melba Ketchum admits to witnessing habituated bigfoot!)


Yes, one could say that about any time in man’s history when knowledge has outwitted gods and myths.

But even if social science truths may be there (in myths and philosophies and fiction) for all to see, to teach science through myth I find unacceptable. It is not just the myth of the creature but the mythical pseudo-science that is used as well. And that is what I so strongly object to from the scientists and the laymen in the field.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 13 December 2012 - 02:42 AM.

Keep your eyes wide open and don't run!

P.S. Just to be clear, because sometimes I am not. I do not believe...
in the existence of a large previously unknown undiscovered hairy biped roaming North America.
But I like to hear the accounts, read the books, watch the shows, discuss and argue about the phenomenon.




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