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[behavioralist]

The word "love" diminishes in meaning the more allowances we must make for our own, our mate's, and our environment's capacity for fully engaging the offspring's evolved faculties.

When we are born due to our mothers having made such allowances, we suffer a corresponding amount of damage to our faculties.

These damages then leave a remnant of faculties; and these remnants then become our power of discernment and discretion (for example, how the word "love" should be defined; in what circumstances and with what person to mate).

This inhumanly limited discernment and discretion then assesses the mate and the environment, readily making similar allowances to our mother's (due to the damage our mothers subjected us to: traumatic amnesia leaves remnant-awareness, which in nature would result in death, while society indulges in exploiting it), and we can't understand or care (because caring requires something we have "forgotten"; amnesia) why the infant, whose faculties are whole and complete, is trying to commit suicide much of the time..

We say to the malcontent infant, "This is not a bad room!", "This is good music!", "This is a quality tobacco; enjoy that fragrance!", "That's an expensive baby-toy; are you blind or something!", "That's the food preferred by pediatricians!", "It's only a rash!", "Don't just point; say the word!", and so on endlessly, absolutely certain the baby is the one whose appreciation is deficient.
  

Adopted appreciation is the cattle-way!


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[Taun]

Ummmm.... Okay...

[Super-Fly]

I love loving.

Thanks,

[Hasina]

I don't just like this post, I love it.

[ouija ouija]

Good grief! There's an awful lot to ponder on in there.
Why is it only the mother's fault? (In fact I would say that this is most certainly not automatically the case).
You seem to shift from 'love' to 'appreciation' somewhere along the way ...... you seem to have interchanged them.

[Hilander]

Love and appreciation go together.  But you also have to have honesty, respect and loyalty to be able to trust.

I also would like to know why it is only the mothers fault.

[behavioralist]

Hilander, on 26 October 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Love and appreciation go together.  But you also have to have honesty, respect and loyalty to be able to trust.

I also would like to know why it is only the mothers fault.

Infancy is most often the mother's duty. Very rarely do we have it that it's a hetero male telling the child the infamous and ubiquitous lie, "You were such a serene baby!", thereby demonstrating the most labor-saving device ever conceived of: deception.

The wormhole through all the toil of social acceptance, and to winning a child's affections despite the brain-damage.

The mother says it, because the mother is the one who decided the little thing had something to learn about getting its way: never happens!

Certainly I concede that putting it all on the mom is at least a bit unsporting, but I do feel that the reader who fixates on that point is missing the beauty of the science. Call it guardian x if that helps.

[Rlyeh]

I thought this was going to be about some dominance fetish, turned out to be something even more bizarre.

[ouija ouija]

I'll be honest, there's something about your original post that interests me(not least because I have spent a large part of my life working with children), but there's something about the way you express yourself that makes my brain strain and hurt ..... seriously.

Surely you are just talking about life, which by definition is going to be an imperfect experience for everyone? Those 'allowances' that you mention are present in every generation, and by growing up with them we learn how to cope with them in adulthood. I would say that the exact opposite of what you say is true: our discernment and discretion are in fact humanly limited ....... and that is how it should be!

I think what you're talking about is an ideal.

[Beany]

The OP is absent any evidence to back up the statements made, so it really comes down to opinion. I will say this, though. Lately, I've become very tired of the disdain for humanity that I often see here. Humanity includes a wide range of experiences, education, intelligence, familial influences, behaviors, etc. While there are some negatives within this range there are also a lot of positives. Pointing out our shortcomings is very easy, most of us know what they are. Some of us, though, are working to improve our societies and communities, and finding solutions to the problems. This is where the real work is. The time for sitting on the fence is over, IMHO. So my question would be, are you part of the solution or part of the problem?

Millions of people are a blessing to this planet. They help feed the poor, they put in a lot of volunteer hours cleaning up the environment, helping out in school classrooms, advocating for children in the legal system, bringing energy & good will to our hospitals, mentoring our youth, providing free health care, staffing our libraries, raising money for worthy causes, the list goes on. Imagine how much worse society would be without these people and their efforts, and how much better it would be if more people participated in good works.

[behavioralist]

With less perception one agrees with more people. ("ignorance is bliss") All adults are aware they are repugnant to others, and therefore pretend to be something more appealing. (Even a psycho pretends to be merely scary, to hide that he's a monster.)

All adults know they should have no one agreeing with them (save with their affectations), except those with messianic delusions ("I love me alone, and you owe it to me and God to love me alone!"). To agree with more people, then, is insane.

Consider that there are many animals of many species today, who just can't relate to nature (despite being exactly as evolved as nature) because they have been insulated for exploitation since birth.

Only one of these species harbors the delusion it is actually better and more evolved than nature!

---that it is more relevant to the cosmos or to a God it imagines as being in sympathy with this delusion.

Does "Intelligent Life" have children who don't ever want to grow up?

Edited by behavioralist, 28 October 2012 - 06:27 PM.

[Beany]

behavioralist, on 28 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

With less perception one agrees with more people. ("ignorance is bliss") All adults are aware they are repugnant to others, and therefore pretend to be something more appealing. (Even a psycho pretends to be merely scary, to hide that he's a monster.)

All adults know they should have no one agreeing with them (save with their affectations), except those with messianic delusions ("I love me alone, and you owe it to me and God to love me alone!"). To agree with more people, then, is insane.

Consider that there are many animals of many species today, who just can't relate to nature (despite being exactly as evolved as nature) because they have been insulated for exploitation since birth.

Only one of these species harbors the delusion it is actually better and more evolved than nature!

---that it is more relevant to the cosmos or to a God it imagines as being in sympathy with this delusion.

Does "Intelligent Life" have children who don't ever want to grow up?

Again, more declarations, no evidence to back it up. FYI, as an adult, I find very few adults repugnant and I'm pretty sure that I'm in the majority on this. And I've found that increased perceptions inform me and make me more sympathetic and compassionate, as it helps me recognize commonality and cause and effect, and keeps me from holding myself in higher regard than others or having more self-regard than I should and more than is healthy for myself of my community. Humility, you know, is a good thing because if comes from self-knowledge; arrogance is a hindrance because it stems from ignorance. If you find most adults repugnant, then there's a problem in your thinking, perceptions, & understanding, not with the general population.

Edited by Beany, 28 October 2012 - 09:07 PM.

[Insaniac]

Behavioralist is actually correct about it being the mother's fault, initially.

Point being: Babies don't and can't raise themselves. They/we believe whatever our mother's tell us about how to get ahead in life, even if what she's saying is right is actually wrong.

And he's right about our society being insane.

Beany: Sometimes you need common sense to understand truth. Proof doesn't exist for everything. Remember that, love.

[Rlyeh]

Anyone who calls nurture a "fault" should only be calling themselves insane.

[Beany]

Insaniac, on 29 October 2012 - 09:45 AM, said:

Behavioralist is actually correct about it being the mother's fault, initially.

Point being: Babies don't and can't raise themselves. They/we believe whatever our mother's tell us about how to get ahead in life, even if what she's saying is right is actually wrong.

And he's right about our society being insane.

Beany: Sometimes you need common sense to understand truth. Proof doesn't exist for everything. Remember that, love.

My common sense tells me this claim has no basis in fact. It's an opinon, nothing more. "All adults are aware they are repugnant to others, and therefore pretend to be something more appealing. (Even a psycho pretends to be merely scary, to hide that he's a monster.)" And my common sense tell me this is a warped point of view. Our society is not insane. Some individuals are, but not all, by any means. And my common sense has me asking, in regard to mothers, whether the father has any influence, through both a presence or an absence. Some of these are sociological issues that can't be seriously discussed without education & research, and others are opinons. Because my opinion differs doesn't mean I'm not using common sense. As for insanity, would you call the people who volunteers or work for Doctors Without Borders insane, of the American Cancer Society, or CDC staff, .... The list of people doing good work is endless, and that is not insanity. As for sheep, would this be the people who gave us our childhood immunizations, or educated us, or gave us technology, or MRIs, or long-distance surgery, of Lasik surgery, or who maintain our power grid & see that we get clean water, or installed the tsunami warning system? If you're going to maintain the insanity thing, cough up something better than skewed opinions. Baah, humbug!