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#76    shadowhive

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 06 February 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

Can you already stop harping on Christianity about this? Who gives a rat´s behind about what some stupid priests are saying?
If you worry about religion-gay relations, address a real issue, like this:

http://www.guardian....xuality-charges

Sheesh, talking about barking up the wrong tree.

This is a topic about christianity NOT islam.

If you want to discuss the muslim view and how (equaly) wrong it is, start a topic on it.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:54 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 01:38 PM, said:

This is a topic about christianity NOT islam.

If you want to discuss the muslim view and how (equaly) wrong it is, start a topic on it.

See its this kind of hypocrisy which i am trying to address.WHY only christians, if a person is gay and wants to create their own cult then why can they not do one which is open to ALL religions. Talk about creating a divide! Why can a "bible" not be created to embrace all beliefs...how can people expect to be accepted themselves if they are not prepared to accept people of their own sexuallity?i think i will create a bibble for all gay people no matter what religion you are? hows that for equality?

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:03 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 06 February 2013 - 01:54 PM, said:

See its this kind of hypocrisy which i am trying to address.WHY only christians, if a person is gay and wants to create their own cult then why can they not do one which is open to ALL religions. Talk about creating a divide! Why can a "bible" not be created to embrace all beliefs...how can people expect to be accepted themselves if they are not prepared to accept people of their own sexuallity?i think i will create a bibble for all gay people no matter what religion you are? hows that for equality?

It's not hyocrisy. This post is about a specific topic about a specific religion. Islam's views are irrelevent to the topic at hand. It's like going into a discussion about dogs and trying to turn it about cats.

I agree, something should be done about ALL religions. However the problem is that religions all follow different things to begin with. What's in the bible is only relevent to christians, it's not relevent to hindus or buddists and it''s only semi-relevent to muslims.

We need to have laws in place to prevent the rampant abuse of gay people by religions not an attempt to have a 'catch-all bible'.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:10 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

It's not hyocrisy. This post is about a specific topic about a specific religion. Islam's views are irrelevent to the topic at hand. It's like going into a discussion about dogs and trying to turn it about cats.

I agree, something should be done about ALL religions. However the problem is that religions all follow different things to begin with. What's in the bible is only relevent to christians, it's not relevent to hindus or buddists and it''s only semi-relevent to muslims.

We need to have laws in place to prevent the rampant abuse of gay people by religions not an attempt to have a 'catch-all bible'.
its the "rampant" abuse I am trying to address. Gay people are fully aware that they will upset many, so why do it? maybe because they can shout louder when they have upset someone?My point is how can you ask for equality when you are not prepared to be equal with others?I have no problem with gay people, I do not have problems with many religious people either, but we already know religion has been the cause of most wars, now we have ANOTHER aspect of it being thrown in to create even more problems down to blooming religion!!!

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:13 PM

If I were gay statements like that would send me into a murderous outrage.  As it is it just sends me into an outrage.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:18 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 06 February 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

its the "rampant" abuse I am trying to address. Gay people are fully aware that they will upset many, so why do it? maybe because they can shout louder when they have upset someone?My point is how can you ask for equality when you are not prepared to be equal with others?I have no problem with gay people, I do not have problems with many religious people either, but we already know religion has been the cause of most wars, now we have ANOTHER aspect of it being thrown in to create even more problems down to blooming religion!!!

The rampant abuse occurs because religion is wrong about homosexuality. They need to wake up and open their eyes about it and start treating gay people with the true love and acceptance they deserve, instead of the fear and hatred they get.

Gay people are upset and for good reason. People attack, them demean them, their relationships and their families. If someone did that to you, you'd be pretty damn upset too and you'd want people to help you not act like you've bought it upon yourself.

Gay people being quite just results in more gay people being abused, just like it does for any other group. They need to be loud, they need it to stop it from happening to more people.

Edited by shadowhive, 06 February 2013 - 02:19 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 February 2013 - 02:13 PM, said:

If I were gay statements like that would send me into a murderous outrage.  As it is it just sends me into an outrage.

I wouldn't quite say it sends me into a murderous outrage, but it certainly does outrage me when people have that attitude.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
Where are those droideka?
No one can tell you who you are
"There's the trouble with fanatics. They're easy to manipulate, but somehow they take everything five steps too far."
"The circumstances of one's birth are irrelevent, it's what you do with the gift of life that determines who you are."

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

You know I never knew such a thing as a homosexual existed, even when I was going to school in the States, and no one in Vietnam had any notion.

Oh there was some same-sex playing around, but no one took it seriously; the assumption was we would all get married in the end and until then girls were strictly off limits.

Of course a few didn't get married, and now I understand it.  Now that the sexual revolution has swept over Vietnam, the young people pair off before marriage, if they get married at all, and the older brother who would come with the long knife if you played with his sister no longer exists.

I just don't get it with these Christians and Muslims.  What is so sinful about sex?  It is what we do to perpetuate the species, and it's a lot of fun even when you aren't making babies.  I think children should be allowed to grow up unmolested, but other than that and of course rape, we need to relax.

(By the way, I am almost seventy years old and have been celibate since my wife died -- out of her memory, not because I think sex is bad.  At my age that isn't all that hard to do).

Edited by Frank Merton, 06 February 2013 - 02:30 PM.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:35 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 February 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

You know I never knew such a thing as a homosexual existed, even when I was going to school in the States, and no one in Vietnam had any notion.

Oh there was some same-sex playing around, but no one took it seriously; the assumption was we would all get married in the end and until then girls were strictly off limits.

Of course a few didn't get married, and now I understand it.  Now that the sexual revolution has swept over Vietnam, the young people pair off before marriage, if they get married at all, and the older brother who would come with the long knife if you played with his sister no longer exists.

I just don't get it with these Christians and Muslims.  What is so sinful about sex?  It is what we do to perpetuate the species, and it's a lot of fun even when you aren't making babies.  I think children should be allowed to grow up unmolested, but other than that and of course rape, we need to relax.

(By the way, I am almost seventy years old and have been celibate since my wife died -- out of her memory, not because I think sex is bad.  At my age that isn't all that hard to do).

I agree, the preoccupation with sex and what consenting adults do in the bedroom is really quite disturbing and I've never understood it.

I think if sex hadn't been a requirement for children, they'd likely have made it sinful full stop. (And that would've been better for everyone because the religion would've died out by now.)

I think that's a reason for ceibacy that I can get behind and I think that's so sweet that you decided on that.

So just take off that disguise, everyone knows that you're only, pretty on the outside
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:45 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 06 February 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

we already know religion has been the cause of most wars, now we have ANOTHER aspect of it being thrown in to create even more problems down to blooming religion!!!

Not blanket "religion". For example, Jainism and Bahaism have created ZERO wars, which not something you can say about many "isms".
Why taint them with your broad brush?
How do they deserve that?
What happened to fairness? Objectivity? Facts?

Edited by Zaphod222, 06 February 2013 - 02:46 PM.

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:54 PM

:You are right.  What we call "religion" covers such a broad array of ideas and behaviors that I doubt any assessment or judgment of religion is possible, and even making statements about "most religions" are almost certainly wrong.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:06 PM

It's been a long held belief that Jesus is a bridegroom and his bride is the church which is made up of male and female members...Is the Lord being in the male image going to enter into a marriage union with another male? For any male to be standing firmly believing that they are going to be married or headed toward a marriage union with the ALL male god head and then condemn the outward manifestation of such a union but holds fast to their hidden standard for themselves of that being okay...well, it's gona bite to be turned away at the gate by that standard (law) being played back in the "do unto others as you would have done unto you"...

It's a terrible thing when any of us make an effort and show forth our earnest desire toward God (the Creator), for every time we try there is always one willing to stand at the gate judging what we bring as an offering and what else do we have to offer but our "earnest effort of trying" to draw closer in whatever way we can...

The bible says that Aaron (the high Priest) will bear the shame of the whatever the offerings are,

Exodus 28:38
And it shall be upon Aaron's forehead, that Aaron may bear the iniquity of the holy things, which the children of Israel shall hallow in all their holy gifts; and it shall be always upon his forehead, that they may be accepted before the LORD


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Aaron was represented, not only as making an atonement in general for the sins of the people by the sacrifices they brought, but also as making an atonement for the imperfection of the atonement itself, and the manner in which it was brought.



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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:07 PM

View PostDavid Henson, on 05 February 2013 - 06:40 PM, said:

I don't want to seek those websites out because I know that the sentiment isn't correct. As a former practicing homosexual, meaning I am homosexual but no longer practice or engage in homosexual activity due to my beliefs, I can say that I wouldn't be displeased if it were true, but it isn't. It is, I think, a growing attempt to influence the consensus of the uninformed.
Obstaining from practicing or engaging in homosexual activity....... Does that include not pleasuring oneself (MASTER8ATION) ?

One man's TOOL is another man's TOY ! :tu:

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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:09 PM

He doesn't want to find out that his inclination isn't sinful after all.  Weird.


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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:19 PM

View Postshadowhive, on 06 February 2013 - 11:54 AM, said:

They should do all three. However, the problem is the bible's so highly regarded they don't want to seee past it. The bible offers an absolute and people don't see willing to think past that.

I used to project an emotional attachment to a symbolic representation of my own ideology. I grossly overestimated the influence the Bible had over the majority of Christians. Until I picked up the Bible myself, as a skeptic, and educated myself on it I didn't realize that I was the same as the Christian. Just the other side of the coin. The skeptic and the Christian are going nowhere until they each educate themselves rather than trying to push their own ideology upon one another uninformed.

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