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#31    TheSearcher

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 03:50 PM

View Postjack regan, on 30 January 2011 - 03:43 PM, said:

hopefully scientists are studying them so they can work out how to make humans live foreverf

The question is, would it be good for us to live forever? Think overpopulation, not enough resources, etc. The fact is if we were so to speak immortal and could only die though violence, illness or accidents, it would wreak havoc on the resources this earth has, very very rigorous birthcontrol would have to be instated, not to speak of the psychological repercussions. Long life, ok, immortal, I think not.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 04:20 PM

View PostTheSearcher, on 30 January 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

The question is, would it be good for us to live forever? Think overpopulation, not enough resources, etc. The fact is if we were so to speak immortal and could only die though violence, illness or accidents, it would wreak havoc on the resources this earth has, very very rigorous birthcontrol would have to be instated, not to speak of the psychological repercussions. Long life, ok, immortal, I think not.


sigh - think London before motorcars were invented - people agonized that London streets will be buried in horse manure

if we had the lifespan we would definitely be space explorers and start colonizing other places - perhaps some of the moons would be good to live on?

life-span is a major obstacle to our space exploration efforts

also think about it - if you lived to a thousand years but had the youth and vitality of a 25 year old for most of that time - you would never be poor!

a lot of ppl manage to get a few things by the time they retire - own home perhaps, a bit of investments perhaps. Imagine if instead of retirement you could plan to start having a family AFTER you pay your home off and create some passive income for yourself

imagine having a career first and then planning to take time to have a family - these days for women it is often an either/or - either have a career or have a family, as it is very difficult to have both

we are also fast heading to a situation where one college degree is not enough so a lot of people have 2 college degrees and they pay off their student loans forever - think if your lifespan was so much longer so that you did not have to try and fit it all in the exact same 30 years

the prime of life to me is the time that elite athletes and top models are at the top of their chosen field and if they start at age 15 they typically look for other things to do before they are 30 years old - that is such a small slice of life that humans are at their peak

I would like humans to be at their peak for a whole lot longer - think what we would achieve - the discoveries our scientists could make, the songs that someone could write and perform - think of ABBA, they disbanded because they were working too hard producing 1 album a year [and personal difficulties too off course] and if they lived to age 1000 they could take 20 years off and then record again and still be looking as fresh as they did when they were the hottest group in many countries [there is talk of them performing together once again but they wont be as visually appealing as they were before]

I see positives - not everyone will want to have a baby every year for 1000 years - that is a huge family. if you have the lifespan you can plan to do so much more with your life and there is no reason to think that we will all live on earth forever

I want to live longer lol


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 07:08 PM

Another problem with immortality is that our brains simply aren't meant to handle it.
Our brains are meant to handle living for a certain amount of time, and for a certain amount of year.s
A good example of this is the way our brains handle time.
  
A minute seems forever as a kid, while as you grow older, years continue to pass quicker nad quicker (though it seems the days get longer and longer... at least to me.)

This is a noted affect, and goes beyond just learning patience as you grow older, the more time you have behind you, the fast time runs in front of you.
Living forever, eventually you'd ge to the point where even geologic process seem to be moving incredibly fast, unless your brain burns out from the overload of handling more information than it was ever supposed to.

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 08:16 PM

View Postmegabyte, on 26 January 2011 - 09:01 AM, said:

our scientists love the fruit fly because it completes a generation in just 3 weeks and so it is useful when studying what effect a certain substance may have on subsequent generations

could it be that humans have such pitifully short lifespan for the same reason?
[annunaki were supposed to live to age 36000 for example]

could aliens who have been tinkering with our civilization since year dot be using us to study substances over generations before giving it to their own population? someone who lives to age 36000 could study several of our generations after releasing a substance such the plague to see what it does. [yes apparently they saw men in black dressed as grim reapers releasing gas substances around villages prior to that village succumbing to the plague - this was on an episode i just watched called ancient aliens

it is quite obvious from reading ancient writings and also reading about current ufo abduction reports that aliens have always had their own agenda and sometimes it was for our good and sometimes it was not.

I would love to know what others think

Honestly, I think our lifespans are entirely too long...
Lifespan should be a relevant relationship to population number.
The exploding population is directly related to more births, and less deaths.
We're pushing a global number of aprox. 8 million, despite what they'll have you believe.
Too long? We either need to die sooner, or make less babies, or our carrying capacity is destine to exceed it's limitations!

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Posted 30 January 2011 - 09:23 PM

View PostArmageddonsAngel, on 30 January 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

We're pushing a global number of aprox. 8 million, despite what they'll have you believe.


You mean billion right?


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 09:38 PM

View PostArmageddonsAngel, on 30 January 2011 - 08:16 PM, said:

Too long? We either need to die sooner, or make less babies, or our carrying capacity is destine to exceed it's limitations!

I think it's pointless to worry about the world's population limitations.  The world 'knows' the maximum population it can sustain over the longterm.  Just because the numbers seem high doesn't mean it's bad or destructive.  Also, isn't there a finite amount of matter on earth?  People don't appear out of nothing.  Aren't we born out of the matter around us?  Despite our desire to understand and control the world, everything is in an equilibrium beyond our control.  The world looks after itself, it's funny that we think we actually manipulate the world.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 11:01 PM

View PostNumber Fingers, on 30 January 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

I think it's pointless to worry about the world's population limitations.  The world 'knows' the maximum population it can sustain over the longterm.  Just because the numbers seem high doesn't mean it's bad or destructive.  Also, isn't there a finite amount of matter on earth?  People don't appear out of nothing.  Aren't we born out of the matter around us?  Despite our desire to understand and control the world, everything is in an equilibrium beyond our control.  The world looks after itself, it's funny that we think we actually manipulate the world.


I honestly think that the world is not going to look after itself. I think that human population is getting out of control. It is true that we just are not dying anymore and we keep reproducing. Anyone who thinks we can't really manipulate the world is blind.


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Posted 30 January 2011 - 11:17 PM

Compared to other animals on this planet, we got a pretty long lifespan.  I would think shorter lifespans would be more beneficial to a species as a whole.  More chances to adapt and evolve to a changing environment.


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Posted 31 January 2011 - 12:06 AM

Megabyte, I think you misunderstood me.

I wasn't saying don't speculate and hypothesize - that's how we advance ourselves.

I wasn't saying don't read a certain author - learning what others think is both interesting and gives you more insight into the things you agree and disagree with.

Hell I wasn't even saying our DNA hasn't been altered by aliens or gods so our life spans were dramatically shortened.

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What I was saying is that our life span is not crazy out-of-whack with the rest of the natural world. If anything, we're a bit longer-lived than we should be because of our medical technology. If you discount the "should already be dead" couple of extra decades we get from this, we're pretty typical for our size and reproduction rate (which is also artificially higher than it would be "in the wild").

I just don't see why this is a talking point. If we DID live hundreds of years, it would definitely be worth discussing whether someone altered our DNA to make us that way. The fact that we're run-of-the-mill as far as life cycles go doesn't seem to me like fuel for suspicion that someone has tampered with us.


Now if you want to go into the cultural discussions:

Like how cultures all over the world have stories of giants living hundreds of years and how such stories affected the cultures that followed (even today being exceptionally tall grants interpersonal status while being exceptionally short does not).

Or how a lot of what we consider the great ancient cultures seemed to have a brief period of hyperachieving where they did things like build pyramids followed by centuries where they scratched in the dirt for a living.

Then we'd be looking at fascinating discussions.


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Posted 31 January 2011 - 01:45 AM

View PostNumber Fingers, on 30 January 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

I think it's pointless to worry about the world's population limitations.  The world 'knows' the maximum population it can sustain over the longterm.  Just because the numbers seem high doesn't mean it's bad or destructive.  Also, isn't there a finite amount of matter on earth?  People don't appear out of nothing.  Aren't we born out of the matter around us?  Despite our desire to understand and control the world, everything is in an equilibrium beyond our control.  The world looks after itself, it's funny that we think we actually manipulate the world.

good point

I dont believe that we need to limit our population along these lines - I think we should aim for the stars - we will in time create colonies on other planets or moons so lets aim for that


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Posted 31 January 2011 - 01:48 AM

View Postsam12six, on 31 January 2011 - 12:06 AM, said:

Megabyte, I think you misunderstood me.

I wasn't saying don't speculate and hypothesize - that's how we advance ourselves.

I wasn't saying don't read a certain author - learning what others think is both interesting and gives you more insight into the things you agree and disagree with.

Hell I wasn't even saying our DNA hasn't been altered by aliens or gods so our life spans were dramatically shortened.

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What I was saying is that our life span is not crazy out-of-whack with the rest of the natural world. If anything, we're a bit longer-lived than we should be because of our medical technology. If you discount the "should already be dead" couple of extra decades we get from this, we're pretty typical for our size and reproduction rate (which is also artificially higher than it would be "in the wild").

I just don't see why this is a talking point. If we DID live hundreds of years, it would definitely be worth discussing whether someone altered our DNA to make us that way. The fact that we're run-of-the-mill as far as life cycles go doesn't seem to me like fuel for suspicion that someone has tampered with us.


Now if you want to go into the cultural discussions:

Like how cultures all over the world have stories of giants living hundreds of years and how such stories affected the cultures that followed (even today being exceptionally tall grants interpersonal status while being exceptionally short does not).

Or how a lot of what we consider the great ancient cultures seemed to have a brief period of hyperachieving where they did things like build pyramids followed by centuries where they scratched in the dirt for a living.

Then we'd be looking at fascinating discussions.


you have made my day - I love to discuss everything

this is all very fascinating so lets discuss what we all think about these unexplained mysteries :D


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Posted 31 January 2011 - 02:30 AM

View Postmegabyte, on 30 January 2011 - 11:28 AM, said:

that could be a theory - another theory is that the annunaki's own lifespan diminished too by staying too long on earth and that might be the reason why they stopped being visible in everyday life on earth
I watch all that crazy crap on TV too.  I can tell you this, once you do a little investigating of these claims, the shows aren't so much entertaining as they are irritating.

I still watch because they serve as sort of a pop quiz - how many claims can they make that I know for a fact are either lies or purposeful misrepresentations, in one show, and without me looking anything up online.

These days, there's hardly a claim made on these fringe shows that I don't immediately know to be false based on what I've learned on my own.

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putting aside for a moment that annunaki are unproven, just look at how long they reigned on average in the beginning and then compare that to the number of years they reigned in final years of Egyptian pharaohs
The Anunnaki are a collection of Babylonian underworld gods.  The never "reigned" at all, much less reigned for a long time.
"Anunnaki" is not the Babylonian term for their pantheon of dieties.  The Annunaki were minor gods in that pantheon.

Do yourself, us and the world a favor if you insist on reading Sitchin - buy his books used. Either online or at a used bookstore.

I swear to you it will save you some regret sometime in the future, if you're really and truly interested in ancient history

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Posted 05 February 2011 - 09:33 PM

View Postmegabyte, on 27 January 2011 - 05:56 AM, said:

very good points and yet the ancient alien theory resonates so deep in me [and lots of others too I bet]

why does it resonate so deep in me? even though it is all unscientific and without any merit ?

why am I drawn to it like a moth to a flame and nothing anyone tells me sways me even in the slightest

I am not even saying I believe all the arguments authors such as Daniken and Sitchin write about - I do question these

but for some reason ever since I was 10 years old and read my first story about Stonehenge in a childrens book and it was not even alien astronauts oriented [did not even mention alien astronauts as a possibility] I was hooked in a huge way and that is that - it simply resonates somewhere deep inside me ever since then

I guess I might never know

Two notes here:
1)we typically misuse language slightly. The human lifeSPAN has not really changed notably at all. The human life EXPECTANCY, however, has changed greatly. Compared to other large mammals, we are about where one would expect us to be in lifespan, so there isn't all that much to be surprised about.

2)The more interesting question is the one you pose above. What is there about the idea of superior aliens, hopefully benevolent, that can so hook us and resonate with us? One possibility is that such an image, similar to the images of gods and demons, run very close to the kinds of images a pre-verbal child might have of the adult world in which they live. They are large, strange, possessing special knowledge and amazing powers of manipulation and control, communicating in ways we cannot fathom or understand, moving in and out of our fields of perception seemingly at will, mysterious, possibly dangerous, sometimes benevolent and always somehow in more control of our lives than we are. The infant in us, if we were at all smart and observant, struggled to understand these mysterious others. When we came to a better understanding of who these creatures were, there yet remains the earlier imagery, and it is that imagery, I suggest, that is what you feel as resonating. To the extent that the new understanding constitutes something of a disappointment ("that's all they are???"), there would be a positive desire for a return to the mystery. That would be my theory, Megabyte.


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Posted 06 February 2011 - 02:13 AM

I have been recently reading through "The Lost Tablets of Enki" which discusses the creation of human. If you go by the theory that the Annunaki created us I think it is most apparent that our life span was not picked by them but the genetics, they discuss mixing their own DNA with that of upright hairy little men (Monkeys come to mind when I hear this description, or even cavemen) They stress that they are not creating a new creature, but "upgrading" one that is already alive because this is apparently against the law of creation to their culture. So I would assume to preserve the new creature (man) as close to the original creature (Ape/cavemen)as possible, the ape genes are more prominent. In their eyes man was also beneath them, Enki, Ninmah and another gentleman who was working with them (Don't remember his name off hand) didn't feel this way as far as I could understand. But even so that would be my theory on why our life span is as long as it is if you choose to follow that idea.

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Posted 06 February 2011 - 04:13 AM

Amoebaa,

You realize, I hope, that the "Lost Book of Enki" is a work of fiction?

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