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#16    ReaperS_ParadoX

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 21 July 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Be moral. Be ethical. Be compassionate. Be considerate to fellow lifeforms. Be kind to the nature. Be altruistic and egalitarian. Don't be selfish and greedy.

Always act on moral ground. That's the ultimate rebellion against God, who created us to watch us suffer for entertainment.
What god are you talking about, and you seem very angry and cynical in these posts.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:32 PM

I am a bit distressed by your reactions. In my home country, non-Christians freely discuss the possibility of the evil deity that rules our world. Yeah, life situation is THAT bad in none other than South Korea.

Pessimism runs deep in my culture. And somehow I attained that attitude pretty much independently after I came to the state. The thing is, all the promises and covenants given to me were nothing but illusions. Yeah, I was promised of a bright future. Then gradually it was stripped off from me.

EDIT: and I am fully aware that it's a innate human instinct to think of a merciful, benevolent entity. Maybe that was part of human evolution. In that perspective I might be defective.

Edited by Ron Jeremy, 21 July 2013 - 08:36 PM.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

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EDIT: and I am fully aware that it's a innate human instinct to think of a merciful, benevolent entity. Maybe that was part of human evolution. In that perspective I might be defective.

I disagree with you in this part, in that it'd be an innate human instinct to think of a merciful and benevolent entity. If I was god, I wouldn't be merciful, but I'd let my children go through hardships for their mistakes. You know why? So that they'd learn both to deal with the consequences and to appreciate what good there still is, as well as to learn that things can always be better.

But that's not the reason I disagree with you. But because I very much believe we're born with these things through which we form our beliefs on this and that. The culture and surroundings have very much to do with that, but I believe so does our birth-moment-place factors. I've always been without faith in anything being or not being there, I've had open mind. But that also means not getting attached to any faith, not having sanctuary nor confidence in them. It's not all-good and rosy thing to be like that, though it has its sides. And I've looked astrological charts of some sceptics, and discussed with other astrologers who have done the same, and there's factors that reappear and are stronger in certain charts. So we have a reason to believe everyone ain't born the same when it comes to things of faith. What you're born with, however, hardly dictates everything, on the contrary.

It's people who betray you, whether there's god or not, I'd say. But most of all, it's more important for you to not let yourself be kept down by them. It can also be you who dont trust your own instincts about what's gonna happen if you do this and that, though people can try trick you there too. Things are probably better here in Finland than where you've been, but we too have people with faults, shy and can be unsocial and uncommunicative. Might be weeks that your workmate doesn't talk to you even though you work side by side and you ain't done nothing wrong to them and so on. And everyone so worried about how they gonna look like in public. But you just do your thing then.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 02:43 AM

Heh, sometimes I wonder if I was some mega rich lothario who broke many hearts and impregnated many women without taking responsibilities in my previous life.

But...the concept of reincarnation with karma is problematic. Even Diamond Sutra refutes it.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:36 AM

You know, there are two people in this world that I love and adore most: my two nephews. I have trouble staying with my sister's family more than an hour because I feel guilty of being a failure.

I gotta be honest. I envy atheists for an obvious reason. I can't let go of the idea of God who loves to put people under his thumb just to make a point. And yeah, I have to remind myself that the world is an unfair place. I read a news article about 'homeless billionaire', who was born a German Jew and started his investment business with $2000, ending up with $2 billions. And he stated that he really didn't put that much effort in it. I was sad. And what about that Norwegian woman who was sentenced for 16 months because she was a rape victim? In my home country child rapists get less than five years of prison time, while some guy who translated hentai porn got five years in the slammer. What does God want from this? Irony? Lulz?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:43 AM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 22 July 2013 - 03:36 AM, said:

You know, there are two people in this world that I love and adore most: my two nephews. I have trouble staying with my sister's family more than an hour because I feel guilty of being a failure.

I gotta be honest. I envy atheists for an obvious reason. I can't let go of the idea of God who loves to put people under his thumb just to make a point. And yeah, I have to remind myself that the world is an unfair place. I read a news article about 'homeless billionaire', who was born a German Jew and started his investment business with $2000, ending up with $2 billions. And he stated that he really didn't put that much effort in it. I was sad. And what about that Norwegian woman who was sentenced for 16 months because she was a rape victim? In my home country child rapists get less than five years of prison time, while some guy who translated hentai porn got five years in the slammer. What does God want from this? Irony? Lulz?
Gods not making people do these things people choose to do the things they do because they can. God gave us free will, and of course there are going to be people that do horrible crimes and such. But by you blaming it all on god is stupid in my opinion.  We each are responsible for how we choose to live and it seems to me your using god as a crutch.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:50 AM

No one can change my belief that God feeds on tears.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 05:41 AM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 21 July 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

I think Ron's statement makes some sense.

Then help me out and explain how it makes sense to "rebel" against something that I don´t believe exists.

E.g. don´t really believe that the Flying Spaghetti Monster exists (although I tend to quote it often), so rebelling against it sounds like a completely inane suggestion to me.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 05:44 AM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 22 July 2013 - 03:50 AM, said:

No one can change my belief that God feeds on tears.

Well, since you simultaneously believe in him and insult him, I assume you are extremely gutsy. So you also believe that eternal roasting in hell awaits you?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM

Who knows, maybe I will end up like Winston Smith and profess my love for God, just like millions of people succumbed into.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:35 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Who knows, maybe I will end up like Winston Smith and profess my love for God, just like millions of people succumbed into.

You mean subjugated right?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 04:40 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 22 July 2013 - 04:04 PM, said:

Who knows, maybe I will end up like Winston Smith and profess my love for God, just like millions of people succumbed into.

Y'all are insane, Ron. Why would you do that?   It really hard fight the indoctrination of religion in our society imposes on us, but It can be done if that is really what you want to do. You must decide that for yourself.  Whatever blows your hair back, so says the Hippie Druid.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:56 PM

Do you believe in the existence of the devil, I'm assuming if you believe in god you believe in the devil. So do you believe that the devil exists??

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:58 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 21 July 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Be moral. Be ethical. Be compassionate. Be considerate to fellow lifeforms. Be kind to the nature. Be altruistic and egalitarian. Don't be selfish and greedy.

Always act on moral ground. That's the ultimate rebellion against God, who created us to watch us suffer for entertainment.

That's not rebellion against God. Have you even read any holy book before? God likes submission. He wants you to do whatever he says. Being altruistic is the perfect way to get someone to submit because with altruistic you are putting others before yourself. Your self becomes less importance and it is also about self sacrifice, so God would love something as slave-minded and hurtful as altruism.

"Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." - 1 John 4:7-8

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:21 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 22 July 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

Do you believe in the existence of the devil, I'm assuming if you believe in god you believe in the devil. So do you believe that the devil exists??

I think the point he is trying to make is god is akin to the devil (if he isn't saying that he is the devil)

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