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[keithisco]

skookum, on 18 January 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

Oh no, danger of getting into the North Sea oil revenue/economy territory.  You know the one.

North Sea oil is Scotlands!!  Oh no it isn't!!

Scotland costs loads to subsidise!!  Oh no it doesn't they have North Sea oil.

Scotland will have to take it's share of the national debt!  Oh no they wont it's English debt!!

God this is going to be funny to watch.  

I would like to say though that I believe the Scottish people will choose what is right for them and I wish them the very best in whichever they choose.

North Sea oil is in its last stages, it was used to support unemployment during the Thatcher years. Even during those years Scotland was a net beneficiary of central funds. You have no University Teaching fees, because they are paid from the Public Purse - how quickly that will change.
English Oil is in the ascendancy, look at the Kimmeridge Shales.

The National debt is 40% Scottish debt - face up to it

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Edited by Saru, 25 January 2012 - 07:59 PM.
Removed hate comment

[skookum]

keithisco, on 19 January 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

North Sea oil is in its last stages, it was used to support unemployment during the Thatcher years. Even during those years Scotland was a net beneficiary of central funds. You have no University Teaching fees, because they are paid from the Public Purse - how quickly that will change.
English Oil is in the ascendancy, look at the Kimmeridge Shales.

The National debt is 40% Scottish debt - face up to it

Do you think the Scottish people see it your way?

I suspect they will be informed that they can gain something like xx amount from North sea but it will only cost us a single x to run their economy.

Salmond will spin and lie his way to the vote he wants.

[Talon]

I'm Scottish and I fully support Independence.

Do I think the SNP will win the referendum? No. Not unless Cameron does something really, really stupid. But I do think given the rising numbers of English and Scots who are embracing their own culture over Britishness, that the UK will disolve within our lifetime. The real question is what Wales and North Ireland will do? Remain in a smaller UK with England or become independent also.

There's so much tension between Scotland and England, it seems to me they would have a much healthier relationship if we no longer shared a government that Scots beleive England controls through voting for the London-centric Tories, and England beleives Scotland controls through its 59 Scots MPs outvoting England's 533 MPs all the time.

At the same time I'd like to point out a misconception that I hear over and over again, that being pro-Independence means you hate English people. This is a lie. Yes, there will be racists north of the border just as there are racists south of the border, but in the end being pro-self determination is not the same as being anti-English, any more than being against independence means your anti-Scottish.

What you should all really be thinking is this; if Scotland, England, Wales, and North Ireland were all independent countries, then along with Ireland we could all vote for each other at the Eurovision song contest, and maybe a British country could beat the ex-soviet bloc for a change.

[stevewinn]

The ordinary working man there is no issue and no tension. the whole independent scotland debate is political, and only makes the headlines, its a big issue in places like the Scottish parliament only. all the scottish lads i work with dont give a ****. they see salamond for what he is. like as been said before, a scotsman will fight for his country, even die for his country the only thing he wont do is live there. scotland as problems trying to keep hold of its current inhabitants, hence the sweeteners paid for by the English to encourage people to remain in scotland.

[Talon]

stevewinn, on 11 February 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

The ordinary working man there is no issue and no tension. the whole independent scotland debate is political, and only makes the headlines, its a big issue in places like the Scottish parliament only.

From the views I see all the time on BBC News have your say forums, and even on boards such as this, I'd have to disagree with that. Even in this thread - and your post - there are accusations that Scots are scroungers living off English tax payers money. Tensions certainly do exist.

stevewinn, on 11 February 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

all the scottish lads i work with dont give a ****. they see salamond for what he is.

He's what, arrogant and pompous? He's a politician, of course he is. Do you think Cameron isn't?

stevewinn, on 11 February 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

like as been said before, a scotsman will fight for his country, even die for his country the only thing he wont do is live there.

If that were true there would be nobody living in Scotland.
I assure you I am Scottish, and there are plenty of us living here. You shouldn't put stock in sterotypes.
Plenty of English people move to Spain, it doesn't mean all English people don't want to live in England does it?

stevewinn, on 11 February 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

scotland as problems trying to keep hold of its current inhabitants, hence the sweeteners paid for by the English to encourage people to remain in scotland.

Pro-Union politicians tell you that English tax payers pay for everything in Scotland, pro-Independence politicians tell us we would be better off if we didn't have to pay all our taxes to London, and then have people complain that what we get back makes us scroungers.

Who knows which side is right, but either way it’s rather ironic that you say there are no tensions, and then in the same paragraph say we take English people's money. I ask you, if we really are a race of scroungers then why are your politicians so desperate to hold onto us? It seems to me the English MPs would split the Union up in a heart beat if it was to their benefit, particularly the Tories who could essentially rule a Scotlandless UK as a single party state given how crippled Labour would become.

In the end the break up of the UK would be best for all. It would mean Scotland's taxes go to Edinburgh not London, and it would mean English people don't have to worry any longer about whether their taxes go up to Scotland or not.
It would allow us to move forward as respectful neighbours, rather than continue as the unhappy married couple we currently are.

Edited by Talon, 11 February 2012 - 07:38 PM.

[stevewinn]

am only joking about the Scots not willing to live in scotland and scroungers (even though i didnt use that word), the jocks in work can peel an orange in their pockets. one lost a five last week, near went on strike. the issue is a non story, it comes around time and time again. its a way of the Scottish parliament to get a little bit more power.

at the end of the day scotland will remain part of the kingdom and will remain so for the next thousand years, you might get more control over the money everyone who craves power loves getting their hands on the money. but at the end of the day were just to interwoven to break apart.

[Talon]

stevewinn, on 11 February 2012 - 07:58 PM, said:

the jocks in work can peel an orange in their pockets. one lost a five last week, near went on strike.

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[shaddow134]

Talon, on 11 February 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

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If the Scots want independence let them have it,and be rid of the Union Jack forever.Speaking as an Englishman,i can't wait to see the English flag flying across England...

[hetrodoxly]

Talon, on 11 February 2012 - 03:24 PM, said:

I'm Scottish and I fully support Independence.

I'm English and I fully support Independence.

[smurf0852]

what the scots should do is declare independence then declare themselves a tax haven for english banks and bring the city of london to its knees suck the money from the south east of england and refuse entry to anyone who lives in england south of the humber.this way the tory fools would know what it feels like to have your way of life destroyed for greed like the north of england does.