Hazzard Posted September 9, 2005 #1 Share Posted September 9, 2005 (edited) There are people that think that humans may be related to aliens,I don`t agree with their belives,but they may not be as wrong as one might think. With the deep impact probe drawing much attention to cometry activity, there are people who think that life arrived on Earth on comets (mostly made of water ice) . Life? well quite posssibly the building blocks (ie DNA, RNA, etc) . Nothing that would even remotely fall into the "advanced" category. But yes, It falls in the realms of possibility. But I find it hard to believe that anything more than the building blocks could be there frozen in the water ice of a comet,after eons of exposure to hard radiation. And how would advanced life survive the impact of crashing in to the Earth at several thousand mile per hour? Edited September 9, 2005 by hazzard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 9, 2005 #2 Share Posted September 9, 2005 ...With the deep impact probe drawing much attention to cometry activity, there are people who think that life arrived on Earth on comets (mostly made of water ice) . Life? well quite posssibly the building blocks (ie DNA, RNA, etc) . Nothing that would even remotely fall into the "advanced" category. But yes, It falls in the realms of possibility. But I find it hard to believe that anything more than the building blocks could be there frozen in the water ice of a comet,after eons of exposure to hard radiation... Ah yes, Panspermia. I find it difficult to think that life itself came here via this mode, the radiation angle is hard to dismiss. However, I'm not sure what protection is afforded if such compounds and perhaps even primitive life were, for example, buried deep in the core of a comet? Still questions around this one, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bio-Mage Posted September 9, 2005 #3 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Some microorganisms can exist in spores forms that can withstand quite large doses of radiation. Here is a good bacteria strain to Google "D. radiodurans" Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted September 9, 2005 #4 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Some microorganisms can exist in spores forms that can withstand quite large doses of radiation. Here is a good bacteria strain to Google "D. radiodurans" Enjoy 835147[/snapback] But before they ended up on the astoroid they came from some place else. Such a theory only widens the gap of original creation. Irish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 9, 2005 #5 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Please people lets try to keep religion out of this one. Yes I know that no one has said the R-word but we are borderline here I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted September 9, 2005 #6 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Please people lets try to keep religion out of this one. Yes I know that no one has said the R-word but we are borderline here I can tell. 835230[/snapback] Both creation and evolution are based mainly on speculation. You can not discus the beginning of all things without touching on both. Our personal biases are a part of our thought process. So I am afraid if you consider intelligent design to be a religious view you are only limiting yourself to possibilities and become trapped in your own paradigm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 9, 2005 #7 Share Posted September 9, 2005 (edited) Thats what I was afraid of. If there ever was an ATEIST I'm it. To many bad things happening in the world for me to...... Wait a second,now I'm doing it ... Lets keep it real(AS IN SCIENCE). Edited September 9, 2005 by DEBUNKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio_71 Posted September 9, 2005 #8 Share Posted September 9, 2005 Thats what I was afraid of. If there ever was an ATEIST I'm it. To many bad things happening in the world for me to...... Wait a second,now I'm doing it ... Lets keep it real(AS IN SCIENCE). 835669[/snapback] NOT TRYING TO PREACH, BUT HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THAT ALL THOSE BAD THINGS IN THE WORLD HAPPEN BECUASE NOT EVERYONE BELIEVES? (SORRY FOR CAPS) second I dont think they let you in the club if you cant spell it correctly.....Athiest. light humor really, just playing around. Its Friday, gosh diddilly darn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperactive Posted September 9, 2005 #9 Share Posted September 9, 2005 yes, lets keep the ever UNintelligent tripe of "intelligent design" out of this. i don't subscribe to the idea of panspermia. However, spores can survive in space and it has even been discussed in some scientific circles that humans may ultimately venture into the farther reaches of space by developing a spore that carries human DNA. The difficulty with these discussions is it is hard for people to see outside of the history of their own species. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted September 9, 2005 #10 Share Posted September 9, 2005 yes, lets keep the ever UNintelligent tripe of "intelligent design" out of this. i 835684[/snapback] Some more wisdom from you hyperactive? let look at what collective wisdom you express! dualistic thought is in the mind of idiots. /forum/index.php?showtopic=43150&st=34 faith is the product of an incomplete mind. /forum/index.php?showtopic=43301&st=15 it stupid to follow the bible? forum/index.php?showtopic=43301&st=30 "gods" are not out there, but in a pea-sized part of your brain. forum/index.php?showtopic=42748&st=30entry676434 the bible does a wonderful job of mystifying the mundane /forum/index.php?showtopic=42748&st=60 hence why i call it "the book of lies" or "the dark book" forum/index.php?showtopic=29616&st=285&p=676549entry676549 well of course please use more nonsense to help justify stpidity. forum/index.php?showtopic=43020&st=15&p=676222entry676222 why not, millions agree on whacko religion! forum/index.php?showtopic=42924&st=0&p=669333entry669333 higher powers that the weak human mind creates to comfort itself. forum/index.php?showtopic=41993&st=135&p=665108entry665108 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted September 9, 2005 #11 Share Posted September 9, 2005 And lets look at all these people you concider idiots! Famous Christian Leaders. Political George W. H. Bush - U.S. President George Bush - U.S. President. Ronald Reagan - U.S. President Jimmy Carter - U.S. President. Abigail Adams - first lady, wife of U.S. President John Adams John Ashcroft - Missouri Gov. & Senator; U.S. Attorney General Christopher Darden - Lawyer, prosecutor in O. J. Simpson case Elizabeth Dole - director, American Red Cross. Stonewall Jackson* Alan Keyes - U.S. Presidential candidate. Steve Largent - U.S. House of Representative from Oklahoma, former professional football player. Robert E. Lee - Confederate General Abraham Lincoln* - U.S. President Don Nickles - U.S. Senator, Oklahoma J.C. Watts - U.S. House of Representative, former college football player Dan Quayle - U.S. Vice President. Clarence Thomas - U.S. Supreme Court Judge. George Washington - U.S. President Science,Technology and Exploration Robert Boyle* George Washington Carver* Christohper Columbus* Kenneth H. Cooper - "Father of aerobics" Michael Faraday* Jim Irwin* - astronaut, Ark Hunter James Clerk Maxwell - influential mathematician and physicist Samuel Morse* Isaac Newton* - inventor, scientist Louis Pasteur* Hugh Ross - physicist Francis Schaeffer - theologian and thinker (1912-1984) Carol Swain - political scientist, author of Black Faces, Black Interests and The New White Nationalism in America: Its Challenge to Integration (a convert to Evangelical Christianity) Wright Brothers* Literature Oswald Chambers* - author, My Utmost for His Highest; G. K. Chesterton - science fiction, mystery, non-fiction, Orthodoxy Tim Lehaye - author, "Left Behind". C. S. Lewis* - author of fantasy, science fiction, and non-fiction religious books such as Mere Christianity; Catherine Marshall* - author, "Christy". Norman Vincent Peale* - author, Power of Positive Thinking; Frank Peretti - author, This Present Darkness; Charles Sheldon* - author, In His Steps Charles Spurgeon* - author Danielle Steele - author J.R.R. Tolkien - author, The Hobbit Joni Eareckson Tada - author, Artist & Speaker. Quadriplegic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperactive Posted September 9, 2005 #12 Share Posted September 9, 2005 oh please, don't use the old "appeal to authority" bit again. intelligent design has been debunked time and again. All we ever see come from the ID camp is more rhetoric. Also, do not forget people are a product of their times, of cultural evolution, of knowledge. Do I think your list of people idiots? I would have to evaluate each individually in reference to their time period and culture. Since ID is a new invention of the creationists in an attempt to undermine advancement with a culture of suspicion, distrust, dogma, and intolorance. now can we get back to discussing the original topic in a serious manner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Posted September 9, 2005 #13 Share Posted September 9, 2005 My point precisely. I just wanted to point out that in order to have intelligent dialog one must have respect for others opinions and belief. You do have a habit of calling others fools and I hope you will reconsider your attitude toward others. As I do enjoy most of what you have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumE Posted September 10, 2005 #14 Share Posted September 10, 2005 What I don't understand is why scientist seem to think that all possible life outside of Earth must need water and oxygen. If they live on other worlds they might need methane and sulfur to breath to stay alive. Why must possible life survive the same as we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 10, 2005 #15 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Intelligent design is based on religious faith. ID is not a scientific concept and does not belong in science class. I'm sure that those among us who embrace religious beliefs would not be very pleased if they were compelled to give scientific theories equal time during their sermons? This is blatantly mixing apples and oranges...not a good idea. As to the question of life, we really only have life on Earth as an example for study. However, chemistry out in the cosmos still follows certain rules. There could be life based on some element other than carbon, for example, silicon but this is only speculative. I think that scientists haven't ruled out the possibility of life very different from that which we know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnetar Posted September 10, 2005 #16 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Lilly, Silicon is old hat...carbon dioxide by-products make much more sense. At, least, I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted September 10, 2005 #17 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I think that scientists haven't ruled out the possibility of life very different from that which we know. 835979[/snapback] Which is unfortunate. New discoveries will be made. Each one likely to be more bizarre than the one that came before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted September 10, 2005 #18 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Lilly, Silicon is old hat...carbon dioxide by-products make much more sense. At, least, I think so. 836191[/snapback] Scientists found silicon-based (and ammonia) "lifeforms" on Titan around June 30th of this year. That's not too old hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted September 10, 2005 #19 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I found it. This is for all of you with an imagination... http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/3387.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilly Posted September 10, 2005 #20 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I found it. This is for all of you with an imagination... Ah yes, India Daily...it's imaginative alright! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted September 10, 2005 #21 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I found it. This is for all of you with an imagination... Ah yes, India Daily...it's imaginative alright! 836553[/snapback] They articles around the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indeed Posted September 10, 2005 #22 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Nowhere except the Headline do they say they have found anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelekiah Posted September 10, 2005 #23 Share Posted September 10, 2005 ADD is a you know what. Ah, but that's what I get, LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperactive Posted September 11, 2005 #24 Share Posted September 11, 2005 actually, one of the problems currently faced is that while we should be looking for signs of life based ariound different compounds, those that call the shots are enamoured with the idea of "another earth" the searches get narrowed down by the preconception that "our world" is the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBunker Posted September 11, 2005 #25 Share Posted September 11, 2005 Comets filled with lif....hmmm? Take a bacterial culture. Put it in a nuclear reactor for about 10,000 years. Maybe that would equal the amount of radiation that the culture would absorb over a billion years in deep space bombarded by cosmic rays. Then check to see if you have anything like DNA left. My guess, you'd have a lot of organic compounds but nothing like a viable genetic code. I'm not sure if there's a hard answer for this question, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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