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#136    chezarelli

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Posted 29 June 2012 - 02:39 PM

View Postjustcalmebubba, on 29 June 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Okay so i guess its safe to say at sum point its all circleing the drain((blackhole)) thenonce the "suck factor" is over  we'll come out the other side in 1 very large clump of goo and since most this we know at sum point repeat  it self one could only hope or have faith in the thought life will restart and at some point in the future's future we'll all be reading this post again at sum point right???
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Posted 29 June 2012 - 09:47 PM

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but for me ``now-ness'' is only a property of the time coordinate....

We've probably exhausted the subject, so I won't leave a last word here.  I understand your definition of the present moment, and from its perspective it is correct.  But, I also consider my definition of the present moment to be correct in my own mind's perspective.

I always feel more secure when you post on subjects around here. Hopefully, it  keeps us hypothesizers more honest, or at least better informed.







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Posted 17 July 2012 - 01:42 AM

View PostJunior Chubb, on 27 June 2012 - 12:39 AM, said:

JuniorChubb predicts this thread will never stop.

Maybe I was wrong...

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:05 AM

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Maybe I was wrong..

I can always think of more stupid thoughts to post, but modesty's prevents me from getting in any deeper than I already am.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 04:50 AM

WHAT? Time has not Stopped YET!!!

Somehow I feel cheated. :innocent:

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 17 July 2012 - 02:45 PM

View Postjustcalmebubba, on 29 June 2012 - 06:00 AM, said:

Okay so i guess its safe to say at sum point its all circleing the drain((blackhole)) thenonce the "suck factor" is over  we'll come out the other side in 1 very large clump of goo and since most this we know at sum point repeat  it self one could only hope or have faith in the thought life will restart and at some point in the future's future we'll all be reading this post again at sum point right???
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The bolded portion is the one to stress.

The rest is claptrap.

At least you got that last part right!

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:20 PM

Damn it!! It's been two more days and Time has STILL NOT STOPPED!!! ARRRGGGHH! When will it end????

Wait? Maybe never..... ???

But... but... but... the crazy azz article said....

Here at Intel we make processors on 12 inch wafers. And, the individual processors on the wafers are called die. And, I am employed to check these die. That is why I am the DieChecker.

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Posted 18 July 2012 - 08:49 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 18 July 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Damn it!! It's been two more days and Time has STILL NOT STOPPED!!! ARRRGGGHH! When will it end????

Wait? Maybe never..... ???

But... but... but... the crazy azz article said....

Looks like you're going to have to keep on checking those die for a little while yet. ;)

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 02:40 AM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 29 June 2012 - 09:47 PM, said:

We've probably exhausted the subject, so I won't leave a last word here.  I understand your definition of the present moment, and from its perspective it is correct.  But, I also consider my definition of the present moment to be correct in my own mind's perspective.
I always feel more secure when you post on subjects around here. Hopefully, it  keeps us hypothesizers more honest, or at least better informed.
I was thinking, if we toss out the "consistent histories" way of thinking of it, the way two entangled particles respond one to the other could be your definition for Now.

I find the discussion fascinating because it made me realize that everything we know about time is a result of it passing. With the exception of Now everything else is differential, e.g. a starting and ending point. Thus, time is always a span! Even its units are a span. A minute is 60 seconds... much like dimensional units are. There is the exception--but not really an exception--where we try to put a label on Now. It is 9:13. But by the time I label it, it is no longer the same "Now" as when I started.

Now is similar to a point in space. Consecutive points bring about a dimensional span. The same with Now and Time.  But like you say we can hold a position in a dimension but not in time. But actually we can't hold a position in a dimension, either. We are always in motion from the spin of the Earth  Etc....

Perhaps Now is not Time!, but something else that is so much like Time that we confuse the two as one. I would be for investigating that in our attempts to understand time better. And the future is really only the span we expect to have after something else has occurred and which is a "from some beginning to its end". So, all we end up with are these spans of time we call the Past. We anticipate having another past event of some duration and that anticipation we call the Future. So, Pasts go by regularly and since we expect more of them we call that the Future. But does the Future truly exist?

Hummm...


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Posted 11 August 2012 - 03:46 PM

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I find the discussion fascinating because it made me realize that everything we know about time is a result of it passing. With the exception of Now everything else is differential, e.g. a starting and ending point. Thus, time is always a span! Even its units are a span. A minute is 60 seconds... much like dimensional units are. There is the exception--but not really an exception--where we try to put a label on Now. It is 9:13. But by the time I label it, it is no longer the same "Now" as when I started.

Yes, 'now' is interesting. I think 'now' is perhaps what time is.  There must be a 'now' for anything to happen. Without a 'now' could time exist at all?

On the other hand, does 'now' have a duration? (Planck time units?) If time is quantized, then the duration of each quanta of time is the envelope within which events occur.

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Now is similar to a point in space. Consecutive points bring about a dimensional span. The same with Now and Time.  But like you say we can hold a position in a dimension but not in time. But actually we can't hold a position in a dimension, either. We are always in motion from the spin of the Earth  Etc..

I'm wondering if a point in space and its corresponding point in time continue to exist as a spacetime unit, so to say. Perhaps the past is only a human concept created by memory. If this point in space continues to exist, why would not its corresponding point in time continue to exist?  In other words, all past events in spacetime continue to exist in their own spacetime 'eras'.

We think the past no longer exists, only the present 'now' exists, but this disappearing past is only a human concept, because our consciousness is only aware of the present.  If we consider spacetime as a whole, past events in spacetime must still exist, but we cannot access  them.

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Perhaps Now is not Time!, but something else that is so much like Time that we confuse the two as one. I would be for investigating that in our attempts to understand time better. And the future is really only the span we expect to have after something else has occurred and which is a "from some beginning to its end". So, all we end up with are these spans of time we call the Past. We anticipate having another past event of some duration and that anticipation we call the Future. So, Pasts go by regularly and since we expect more of them we call that the Future. But does the Future truly exist?

Interesting point.  Hmmmm.

Of course, I'm only hypothesizing here. If we consider space time as a loaf of bread, one end the past and the other end the present, and we cut a slice out of it, does this slice of spacetime actually still exist in its own context? Is every moment in our lives. or every event in the universe still occurring in its own 'now'?

If all space continues to exist, does all time continue to exist also?

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 04:25 PM

...Nothing lasts forever...not even the universe is immortal...or is it? The earth may end, mankind may end and everything we made or on this planet will end...but does it end...will it ever end...and how will it end? Questions on time and space are riddles to never be solved.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 06:09 PM

Another thing that might be worth investigating further is the statement that all space continues to exist. Is the space of the Past and that of the Future, the same space of the Now?

It seems to me to be intuitive that Space continues to exist, but questioning the intuitive seems to pay off so much in the reports of experiments these days.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 04:14 AM

tank6boss, you come up with interesting ideas.

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Another thing that might be worth investigating further is the statement that all space continues to exist. Is the space of the Past and that of the Future, the same space of the Now?

Perhaps Past, Present and Future are only human concepts based on our limited consciousness of only the Present. Maybe the true nature of Reality is that all Time already exists, and the 'now' and the passage of time that we experience is an illusion created within our minds.

If this were true, I think all the 'nows' that we experience always exist in their own 'now'. In this sense, each 'now' would be a different space, captured in its own time era of 'now'.

I said that 'now' is only a human concept, but each spacetime era slice could be arbitrarily selected as any duration. For instance, one could (if one could) select an era lasting one minute or one hour or one million years. Each arbitrary era would exist as its own space and time.

The only relationship between eras would be cause and effect on the macro scale, or the evolution of quantum probabilities on the quantum scale.

This is just conjecture on my part, but the idea came to me by reading about the ideas Kurt Godel had about time. I could be misinterpreting Godel's thought, though, of course.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 08:58 AM

Oh good we all stop ageing,but the busses wont get to you on schedule,as they are always late nowadays.I wish these so called "scientists" would stop spouting a load of moo poo,and come up with something usefull.

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Posted 12 August 2012 - 06:04 PM

spud the mackem said:

Oh good we all stop ageing,but the busses wont get to you on schedule,as they are always late nowadays.I wish these so called "scientists" would stop spouting a load of moo poo,and come up with something usefull.

There's a hidden agenda in this thread that you have partially exposed. If we can figure out Time here, we can make the buses arrive on schedule.  We'll just adjust our local Time to coincide with the late buses. Also, no more being late for an appointment, and no more tedious waiting for the dentist to call our name! How sweet that will be!

So, be patient, we're working on it here without the moo poo scientists. (Plus, patience will not be needed after we UM members get all this figured out.)

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