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[mcrom901]

zoser, on 05 January 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

The vitrification is only a thin glass like layer.  

but your argument is that it's a by-product from some high-technology stone cutting (machine?), right?

zoser, on 05 January 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

Often only visible when light shines in certain angles and the reflection is like a prism effect (hence the rainbow effect).

but if it resulted from the 'smooth' surfaces, how is it that the irregular surfaces are vitrified too?

zoser, on 05 January 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

What you are looking at in this photo (post 4154) is where some extra moulding was done on that one block only.  Probably accidently while it was in it's clay like condition.

you're conveniently shifting goal posts with another set of imaginary clauses just in order to keep your cherished view-point intact?  

zoser, on 05 January 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

On the larger megalithic relics the finish tends to be smoother and so the vitrification has a marble effect.

you seem to have missed the point about 'laser precision' which s2f also highlighted

zoser, on 05 January 2013 - 09:24 PM, said:

It appears to me that you guys have not researched this very well.

Check out the video clip in this link:

i'm not going to bother myself with this

[mcrom901]

Abramelin, on 06 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

Again, the shine, or 'vitrification' is not there.

you need to tilt your screen...

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

what if the rocks wear cracked out of the groud along natural fault lines, this resulting in the random shapes, through the insertion of wood thst was expanded with water and fire - the fire resulting in th vitrification?

[zoser]

mcrom901, on 06 January 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

but your argument is that it's a by-product from some high-technology stone cutting (machine?), right?



but if it resulted from the 'smooth' surfaces, how is it that the irregular surfaces are vitrified too?



you're conveniently shifting goal posts with another set of imaginary clauses just in order to keep your cherished view-point intact?  



you seem to have missed the point about 'laser precision' which s2f also highlighted



i'm not going to bother myself with this

Watch the video clip.  It's shows all the different types of surfaces.  

Some flat surfaces have been cut then moulded while the stone is soft.  

Whether you bother with it is up to you.

It won't change anything believe me,

Just because we have no idea of what heat technology they used that in no way negates the principle.  The finger prints are there and we know that heat and moulding were the two processes.  

Neither do we have any idea why they did it.  These two questions will be the theme of my continuing research.

[zoser]

Wearer of Hats, on 06 January 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

what if the rocks wear cracked out of the groud along natural fault lines, this resulting in the random shapes, through the insertion of wood thst was expanded with water and fire - the fire resulting in th vitrification?

No point in trying to convince anyone; the process is clear.  Look at the video clip on vitrification and get to see as many images as you can.  Look back over all my posts.  Watch Brien Foerster and Jan Peter de Jong on you tube.

Slave2Fate, on 05 January 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

So what happened to the flawless alien 'machining' of these blocks? Have you abandoned that idea in favor of a more human explanation? Please don't trip while you are backpedaling.

See above two posts.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 06 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

Again, the shine, or 'vitrification' is not there.

You refer to a Puma Punku relic.

The vitrification is all over them.



I can't do it for you Abe.

You have to look at the relics yourself.  I'm moving on to look at other important aspects of this mystery now.  I'm not going to keep posting pictures of rock forever.

The angle of viewing and light shows up the vitrification as does the texture of the stone.

Do some research is what I suggest instead of picking the bones out of mine.

Edited by zoser, 06 January 2013 - 09:25 AM.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

zoser, on 06 January 2013 - 09:18 AM, said:

No point in trying to convince anyone; the process is clear.  Look at the video clip on vitrification and get to see as many images as you can.  Look back over all my posts.  Watch Brien Foerster and Jan Peter de Jong on you tube.

See above two posts.

I'm not trying to cnvince anyone of anything, that's your department. I'm trying to explore ideas and posibilities.

[zoser]

Wearer of Hats, on 06 January 2013 - 09:26 AM, said:

I'm not trying to cnvince anyone of anything, that's your department. I'm trying to explore ideas and posibilities.

Let the images do the convincing.  That's the only way you will do it.  Look at caves, mountainsides, rock outcrops, ruins and walls across Peru and Bolivia.  Anywhere that precision work has happened.

Notice that any image showing vitrification is always taken at an angle; that's the only way to see it on a low resolution image.  Images taken full on will not show it as clearly, and even the shots at an angle may not, it depends upon the light conditions.  That's why you need to see dozens of images in different locations otherwise you will draw a false conclusion from looking at only part of the evidence.

That's where Foerster's material scores.  He shows an enormous quantity of artifacts.

Example is these walls.  I think this shot is inside:



An outside wall under certain light conditions the vitrification is obvious:



This video however is not Brien Foerster.




Uploaded on Jun 30, 2011

Something special happened when these walls were constructed, the borders are vitrified and so tight fitting that nothing enters between the blocks. The video shows signs of vitrification, the good observer will notice refracted light on the borders, stone is also smoother there and has another color. It seems the stone has been treated with heat there. Was the stone soft on the moment of construction? For more, see: http://www.ancient-m...-explained.com/

Edited by zoser, 06 January 2013 - 01:42 PM.

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 06 January 2013 - 09:24 AM, said:

You refer to a Puma Punku relic.

The vitrification is all over them.



I can't do it for you Abe.

You have to look at the relics yourself.  I'm moving on to look at other important aspects of this mystery now.  I'm not going to keep posting pictures of rock forever.

The angle of viewing and light shows up the vitrification as does the texture of the stone.

Do some research is what I suggest instead of picking the bones out of mine.

I refer to this image, the one you posted:

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 06 January 2013 - 03:02 PM, said:

I refer to this image, the one you posted:

http://www.unexplain...00#entry4609843

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 05 January 2013 - 08:54 AM, said:

And this one: also no glaze.

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 06 January 2013 - 03:04 PM, said:

And this one: also no glaze.

Not on here either:



But as if by magic:




and also:



Same site but now you see it and now you don't.

So can you work it out?

[Abramelin]

zoser, on 06 January 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

Not on here either:



But as if by magic:




and also:



Same site but now you see it and now you don't.

So can you work it out?

Same site, but was it the same stone?

[zoser]

Abramelin, on 06 January 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

Same site, but was it the same stone?

Not sure if it is the same stone; red sand stone, diorite (rumoured not validated) and andesite were used at Puma Punku to my knowledge.

I think it's more the sun shining at certain angles.  It' cant be easy to see otherwise folk would have reported it decades ago.  

It's here:



but not here:



That to me looks like the same artifact, just different angle and lighting

Edited by zoser, 06 January 2013 - 03:37 PM.

[Abramelin]

Another thing Zoser: have you checked how natural granite formations sometimes look? Google "granite" AND "shine" or "gloss" or whatever.

Btw, you advised me to 'do some research'. Well, I do, but I have been busy with botany., and how chemicals from plant roots and chemicals formed by lichen are able to attack and dissolve rock like granite.

Just so you know I am not sitting on my flat behind doing nothing, lol.

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Edited by Abramelin, 06 January 2013 - 04:43 PM.