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UFOs with Speeds up to 27,000 MPH

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#391    DONTEATUS

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:43 AM

View PostSweetpumper, on 07 December 2012 - 04:35 PM, said:

Too bad we can't show them to others, huh?
No need Sweet , we that see need not prove what we saw, THose who cant never see whats there to Look at !

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:37 AM

Anyway, as Bruce Maccabee points out, not all the "fireballs" were green or even fireballs at all.  I have said this many times.  In January 1951 at Artesia, New Mexico, scientists launching a Skyhook balloon say a dull white object that was larger than their balloon and flying above it, which is to say over 110,000 feet.

Then from another location they say two, dull gray objects fly around the balloon.  They were flying at very high speeds and appeared to tilt on edge when they made their turn.

*snip* What was flying around in 1951 that could do things like that, and if someone says "plasmas" or meteors to me one more time I am just going to do a Primal Scream.

Anyone who keeps bringing up "explanations" like that is talking utter nonsense, so naturally all they can do is simply ignore or dismiss all the evidence.  


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Edited by Saru, 08 December 2012 - 06:11 PM.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 06:49 AM

As Michael Swords points out, Project Twinkle was not really about investigating only the "green fireballs", but also the more "conventional" UFO reports, which were quite common in New Mexico at the time.

Dr. William Carter at Los Alamos had reported that UFOs had tripped off the radiation detectors on at least four occasions, which was reported to the Air Force's Cambridge Research Labs, the same organization that was in charge of Project Twinkle.  They also did the same things at Mt. Palomar Observatory and Oak Ridge at this time--1949-51.  

At Holloman Air Force Base, the military wanted permission to fire "live ammunition" at these UFOs, but I do not believe it was granted at this time.  

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:43 AM

Nowadays of course we do have planes that can fly like this, no matter whether they are called Aurora, Dark Star, the Blank Manta, the TR series planes or whatever.  Things like these have been seen over the years, but they are not "true" UFOs.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 08:49 AM

In fact, it's a lot harder to get pictures and eyewitness reports about these secret military projects that it is about real UFOs, and of course virtually no military people are going to come forward to talk about these really classified projects--not like they talk about UFOs.

I know that I would never talk about such things if I knew about them, whereas I don't mind telling what I know about UFOs.  There's a big difference between these things in my book, and I think secret military projects should be secret, but I think UFO reports should be public knowledge.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:19 PM

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Enough with the name calling and personal attacks please.

If you can't put your point across without resorting to post after post of derogatory insults then it's time to reconsider the merits of the point you are trying to make and your participation in this discussion. Let's keep the responses civil and respectful.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:31 PM

View PostSaru, on 08 December 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

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Enough with the name calling and personal attacks please.

If you can't put your point across without resorting to post after post of derogatory insults then it's time to reconsider the merits of the point you are trying to make and your participation in this discussion. Let's keep the responses civil and respectful.


I should learn not to respond to these constant provocations, which are designed only to irritate me and (they hope) get me kicked off of here.  I understand that very well, so now I really am going to put more of them on Ignore--permanently.

And yes, I know they are getting a laugh out of this.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:47 PM

And yes, there really were a number of these videos about the Chile UFOs of 2010, which were all removed.  None of them even wanted to discuss these so what is it that they don't want you to see here?  Let's assume that it's not just bugs and birds, shall we?  There were quite a few of these videos taken from different locations showing the same UFOs






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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:49 PM

There may well have been seven of these videos of the Chile UFOs, and I have found three or four in the Internet.  What is it that they don't want you to see in these?






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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:59 PM

They even imply that Gen. Bermudez is not a representative of the Chilean government when he discloses these UFO reports, but he is.  What is it they don't want you to know?




"Think for a moment, if one experienced commercial pilot reports to me that something flew across in front of his airplane, I pay careful attention; but now if a second commercial pilot reports the same a few seconds later, I become interested; but if a third pilot, a military one, confirms the same fact, I tend to believe it. In this case, do we have one UFO close to the airplanes, or we have two UFOs? If we have one, its incredible speed doesn’t correspond to anything we have now."


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

These are facts, not just something that I am making up out of thin air.

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Gen. Bermúdez showed the analysis done by the astronomers from CEFAA’s External Committee of Advisors, which established that the object was not a meteoroid, a comet, reentry of space junk, a bird or an airplane. Furthermore, the scientists’ report stated the UFO undertook “a risky maneuver in front of the Halcones from west to east” and that it did “a flight maneuver at low altitude and high speed.” The report also established that “the object shows light and shadow effects of metallic like reflections and shows ellipsoidal shape” and that “the land observers do not detect the object in spite that it passes over their heads, thereby it is not accompanied by a sound wave.” Finally, the report’s final significant point indicates “the object moves east with 25 degrees inclination. This is the same angle spacecraft enter the atmosphere.”

To recap the salient details about the El Bosque multiple footage case, Gen. Bermúdez stated in his IUFOC lecture that, “we have studied this case in different ways. First we gave it to the astronomers, who used their own software; second, we gave the film to the air force specialists (FACH’s Aerial Photogrammetric Service). Third, we did our own internal study; we also asked the opinion of Dr. [Richard] Haines and Bruce Maccabee. Maccabee agreed with our astronomers and Richard [Haines] said that there is an unknown aerial phenomenon.”

Final Conclusions & Proposition

After a lecture full of official evidences, both audio and visual, Gen. Bermúdez proceeded to list the conclusions about the UFO phenomenon reached by CEFAA. These are:

We do not know what it is and where it came from.
It is necessary to continue studying the phenomenon.
It is necessary to share all the information.
    The Anomalous Aerial Phenomenon characterized as UFO is real and it is present inside and outside the Controlled Air Space.
The general then added that, “I believe all possibilities of risk to air operations, no matter how incredible, must be investigated; to ignore it is irresponsible.” Bermúdez then presented what he called his “Proposition” for a continuing serious program of investigation of the phenomenon beyond Chilean borders into the international arena. The three points of his proposal were:

This agency must collect and share information and proceed to make an effective scientific investigation.
I believe that this agency should be located in the United Nations as a part of the Space Affairs.
    It is necessary to a have a serious agency to direct the investigation in all the world.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:08 PM

They will even try to tell you that Bermudez wasn't a real general, but in reality he was.



Retired Chilean Air Force General Ricardo Bermúdez is the director of CEFAA (Committee of Studies of Anomalous Aerial Phenomena), which is part of DGAC, Chile’s Civil Aviation Agency equivalent to our FAA. General Bermúdez spoke at the Congress on Saturday Feb. 25, revealing a number of highly interesting cases involving commercial and military pilots, as well as an extraordinary daytime multiple video case showing a clear metallic-looking object during an important Chilean Air Force ceremony in 2010. The message throughout his lecture was unmistakably clear: some UFOs are real and may pose a threat to air safety operations, that’s why they should be investigated officially not only in Chile but throughout the world.

General Bermúdez began his power point presentation by outlining CEFAA’s mission and methodology. The Committee’s Mission is to:


Record and analyse all relevant reports concerning UAP [Unidentified Aerial Phenomena] occurring within the national territory, on the basis of a serious, objective and scientific analysis with the purpose of determining any possible risk to air operations.

CEFAA was created back in 1997 when General Bermúdez was the director of the Technical School of Aeronautics, where air traffic controllers and radar operators are trained and where the Committee was housed for a number of years. After its full reactivation in December 2009, CEFAA became a full time agency now housed in the National Aeronautics and Space Museum in Santiago. Bermúdez explained the agency has an “External Committee of Advisors” of eight top scientists from the Chilean Commission of Nuclear Energy, Aerospace Medicine at Santiago University, astronomers from the Metropolitan and Catholic Universities, a plasma physicist from Santiago University, a geographer and expert in satellite imagery from Chile State University, and two psychologists. There is also a CEFAA Internal Committee which includes experts on Operations Safety, Air Control Center, Meteorology, Air Accidents Investigations, Aerospace Engineering and Audiovisual.

“We have the support of each branch of our armed forces and police,” added Gen. Bermúdez, and these include military officers from the army, navy, air force, and two officials from the national police force. “We believe the phenomena is the same all over the world, we have relations with investigators from 14 countries,” continued Bermúdez. In some cases—for instance Uruguay’s CRIDOVNI or France’s GEIPAN—this liaison is with CEFAA’s official counterparts. In countries where no such public official agency exists, the Committee maintains relations with private scientific organizations like Dr. Richard Haines’ NARCAAP in the U.S.


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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:08 AM

Can I just point out that the thread about the Chile UFO 'incident' is OVER HERE...

I've started going through Richard Haine's 'report' (term used very loosely) in that thread - I'll finish that before looking at other 'evidence'.

But my opinion now, as it was when I first saw all this, is that the video segments all look exactly like nearby bugs to me.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:51 AM

View PostTheMacGuffin, on 08 December 2012 - 04:31 PM, said:

I should learn not to respond to these constant provocations, which are designed only to irritate me and (they hope) get me kicked off of here.  I understand that very well, so now I really am going to put more of them on Ignore--permanently.

And yes, I know they are getting a laugh out of this.


Yes MacGuffin, I learned that lesson myself ages ago! :tu:
by the way buddy, apologies for coming to the thread so late...[i've been busy lately.]
Anyway,  I believe that the 'speed' and 'maneuverability' of these UFO's is a fascinating aspect of the recorded witness testimony in a multitude of cases. And often nullifies the possibilities of a "man-made" explanation to the puzzle.
And although I would not exclude the possibility of a natural-identification such as one of those  'atmospheric-plasma-manifestations' etc, behaving in the most peculiar manner [that we are only just beginning to acknowledge and study] ...I feel that that theory can only be promoted in a certain type of sighting!...such as the cases that consist solely of ' bright lights of either spherical or undetermined-shapes and sizes that sometimes divide into a number of parts, ...chase around erratically and then usually fade out to nothing'!...All done without any assemblance of purpose, and more importantly...'no discernible shape or rigidity' !
It is the more conventional 'solid' and where applicable 'metallic' appearance of the fast-moving UFO's being reported by a reasonably respectable witness that really interests me!
And it is in this vein that I offer this interesting 'Pilots report' of an apparently solid , metallic UFO travelling at a phenomenal pace [ between 90,000 and 180,000 mph]! in september 1996.
..interestingly enough.as a side issue , this report comes directly from the 'genuinely respectable' and 'highly regarded' researcher..."Richard F Haines", ....


http://www.narcap.or...ext_9-27-96.pdf


...."Based on my flying experience and knowing how
far commercial aircraft light can be seen on a clear night my best guess, and a conservative one
at that, is that this object traveled a distance of AT LEAST 50 Miles in 1-1/2 to 2 seconds.  It
was an astonishing thing to witness.  I said to the Captain  “holy  s__ t, did you just see that?”  to
which he replied “hell yes I saw it”
.

...Now that is pretty nifty!!!!


Good thread! :tu:


Cheers Buddy.

Edited by 1963, 09 December 2012 - 03:52 AM.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:55 AM

What Got cleaned ? DId I miss the Wow signal again? :tu:

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