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#46    LucidElement

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

View Postaztek, on 15 November 2012 - 03:57 PM, said:

you really didn't say anything. you actually showed how ignorant you are in regards to weapons, there are almost no assult rifles available, those few ppl that have atf permit, class3 permit, are hevily regulated, and taxed already. what you see on tv are NOT assult guns, they are look alikes.  also it is absolutely irrelavant, since any "civilian" rifle can kill you just as good. and just so you know, ppl do hunt with ak's and ar rifles, that are not assult rifles in reality.

again, what laws you think need to be passed that already not on books.
I live up in Montana, you can buy assault rilfes in pawn shops. My buddies have AR-15 and AK-47s etc.. one of my buddies just bought an assault rifle in California at a store.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:17 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 15 November 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

I live up in Montana, you can buy assault rilfes in pawn shops. My buddies have AR-15 and AK-47s etc.. one of my buddies just bought an assault rifle in California at a store.

Yup, my son just bought an AR.  

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:20 PM

View Postand then, on 14 November 2012 - 12:14 PM, said:

Militia has a negative connotation these days.  The idea at the time was clearly an issue of defending communities and individuals from an oppressive government such as the one being escaped.  I agree that if they come for the guns there will be trouble.  And it won't just come from a small fringe or minority of citizens.
I disagree.  I think if they passed the legislation to end the 2nd ammendment 99% of the sheep would whine and pout the whole way to the firearm buy-back center.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:23 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 14 November 2012 - 09:19 PM, said:

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:42 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 15 November 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

I live up in Montana, you can buy assault rilfes in pawn shops. My buddies have AR-15 and AK-47s etc.. one of my buddies just bought an assault rifle in California at a store.
is that fully automatic rifles??? you can buy them with no class 3 permit?

if they are not select fire, they are not assult rifles, just look alikes. you can get those even in ny. i had 5 ak's when i lived in li. none was assult rifle

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

View PostOverSword, on 15 November 2012 - 04:23 PM, said:

Can you own a gun in Greece?

Yes. But you are required to ensure that no authorized 3d party has access to it.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:45 PM

View Postaztek, on 15 November 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

is that fully automatic rifles??? you can buy them with no class 3 permit?

if they are not select fire, they are not assult rifles, just look alikes. you can get those even in ny. i had 5 ak's when i lived in li. none was assult rifle

None are sold as fully auto but very easily converted.  Class 3 is not required based on the barrel length.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:47 PM

Just for food for thought -

The Aurora Shooter purchased his weapons legally.  None were fully auto.  

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:50 PM

View PostFLOMBIE, on 15 November 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

I know there is a huge difference between an assault rifle and a pistol, especially in terms of their killing capability. .

actually you wrong again.

here civilan guns, are not limied to pistols, 3006 hunting rifle will make a lot bigger hole in person\animal than ak, or ar rifle. and it shoots farther, some are semi auto, just like assult guns look alike. not to mention magnum cartriges, we also have shotguns, and pistols that use rifle ammunition. so in some cases pistols here will do a lot more damage than ak or ar.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:51 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 15 November 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:


than none was assult weapon.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:53 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 15 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

None are sold as fully auto but very easily converted.  Class 3 is not required based on the barrel length.

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most guns, unless they don't have a magazine or are bolt action, can be converted into an automatic. Some you can only use once afterwards.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:55 PM

View Postaztek, on 15 November 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

than none was assult weapon.

You're playing a semantic game.

Assault Weapon


Criteria of an assault weapon

Assault weapon (semi-automatic) refers primarily (but not exclusively) to firearms that possess the features of an assault rifle (which are fully-automatic). Semi-automatic firearms, when fired, automatically extract the spent cartridge casing and load the next cartridge into the chamber, ready to fire again; they do not fire automatically like a machine gun; rather, only one round is fired with each trigger pull.

In the former U.S. law, the legal term assault weapon included certain specific semi-automatic firearm models by name (e.g., Colt AR-15, TEC-9, non select-fire AK-47s produced by three manufacturers, and Uzis) and other semi-automatic firearms because they possess a minimum set of features from the following list of features:


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Posted ImageA semi-automatic Yugoslavian M70AB2 rifle.



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Posted ImageAn Intratec TEC-DC9 with 32-round magazine; a semi-automatic pistol formerly classified as an Assault Weapon under Federal Law.

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following: Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
  • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
  • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
  • Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
  • Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
  • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
  • Folding or telescoping stock
  • Pistol grip
  • Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
  • Detachable magazine.




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View Postquestionmark, on 15 November 2012 - 04:53 PM, said:

most guns, unless they don't have a magazine or are bolt action, can be converted into an automatic. Some you can only use once afterwards.

Yup.  NOT that I am advocating that in the least.  

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 04:58 PM

View PostHerNibs, on 15 November 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

None are sold as fully auto but very easily converted.  Class 3 is not required based on the barrel length.

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you can't convert it, there are laws that make it illegal. lol.

as for barrel lenght, yes you need special permit for short barreled rifles, don't think so?? cut off a barrel of even .22 bolt action, to 12" than show it to your sheriff, see  what happens,

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:02 PM

View Postaztek, on 15 November 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

you can't convert it, there are laws that make it illegal. lol.

Umm...yeah, it can be ILLEGALLY converted.  If the plan is to own a fully auto weapon then I don't think the fact that conversion is illegal will stop someone.

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 05:03 PM

So infowars as a source and FEMA camps being brought up. Well good that people are using calm logical reasoning instead of baseless emotional parania. :rolleyes:

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