Winter Summer Posted December 19, 2012 #1 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have: 1. Known the vaccines don’t work 2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent 3. Known they are a hazard to children 4. Colluded to lie to the public 5. Worked to prevent safety studies read more Those are the same vaccines that are mandated to children in the US. Edited December 19, 2012 by Winter Summer 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 19, 2012 #2 Share Posted December 19, 2012 m(_ _)m Thank you If I had posted this,a bunch of merry haters would jump all over it,claiming I have no medical knowledge or expertise ,and I'm a conspiracy nut. People stupidly ,and blindly ,give this poison to their kids,in,amounts that boggle the mind,but vaccine injuries aren't real,and autism is caused by sitting on a dirty toilet seat,et al . 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Summer Posted December 19, 2012 Author #3 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Normally I wouldn't have paid much attention to this news, but since it's backed up by documents, it caught my attention. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted December 19, 2012 #4 Share Posted December 19, 2012 VERY interesting and illuminating. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2012 #5 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) I have a simple question for people; 1. Did Vaccines eliminate Small Pox or was it just a coincidence that the most infectious deadly disease all but disappeared in tandem with vaccines to prevent it ? 2. Similarly, why have we seen the almost complete disapprearance of Polio, one of the most endemic and deadly viruses across the known world, again in tandem with a concerted program of vaccination ? Coincidences ? All of the claims made in the report maybe entirely true, but they misunderstand the purpose and function of vaccines. They eliminate a disease from a population by allowing it no viable host. The vaccines may cause similar symptoms to the disease at a much reduced rate, but ask yourself when was the last time you saw a man hobbling down the road on crutches due to contacting childhood polio ? We live in a sophisticated densly populated culture which would be prone to epidemics of previously common disease's if our public health officials failed to make these difficult decisions. Notice what happens when Measles and Mumps vaccinations drop below critical herd immunity levels - we have small localized epidemics springing up across the country. Life's hard and we have to make hard value judgements to live it in a tollerable way. Br Cornelius Edited December 19, 2012 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Summer Posted December 19, 2012 Author #6 Share Posted December 19, 2012 The vaccines for Small Pox and Polio were developed prior to this 30 year period. i.e. long before Big Pharma. Agreed, they worked. They were also purer than what's available today. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hasina Posted December 19, 2012 #7 Share Posted December 19, 2012 But many of the viruses we make vaccines for today mutate far faster then Small Pox or the Polio virus could. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 19, 2012 #8 Share Posted December 19, 2012 (edited) I have a simple question for people; 1. Did Vaccines eliminate Small Pox or was it just a coincidence that the most infectious deadly disease all but disappeared in tandem with vaccines to prevent it ? 2. Similarly, why have we seen the almost complete disapprearance of Polio, one of the most endemic and deadly viruses across the known world, again in tandem with a concerted program of vaccination ? Coincidences ? All of the claims made in the report maybe entirely true, but they misunderstand the purpose and function of vaccines. They eliminate a disease from a population by allowing it no viable host. The vaccines may cause similar symptoms to the disease at a much reduced rate, but ask yourself when was the last time you saw a man hobbling down the road on crutches due to contacting childhood polio ? We live in a sophisticated densly populated culture which would be prone to epidemics of previously common disease's if our public health officials failed to make these difficult decisions. Notice what happens when Measles and Mumps vaccinations drop below critical herd immunity levels - we have small localized epidemics springing up across the country. Life's hard and we have to make hard value judgements to live it in a tollerable way. Br Cornelius Vaccines used in the 60s,much like medications of the time,were not all synthetic,and made SOLEY for money . There are older documented vaccine injuries ,but vaccines that were used for people born in the 60s,and 70s,were actually to help us. Not anymore. As kids,we got maybe 5 vaccines. Kids today get 12+,yearly . Huge difference. By the time i was 12, i had gotten maybe 6 vaccinations,total. A child born in the 1990s,has gotten over 50 vaccination by the age of twelve. That's a bit significant . All the literature about vaccine injuries,has been covered up ,for years now . The doctor is no longer our friend .He's the pharmaceutical companies friends ,and that's all . NY has the strictest vaccine program in the USA. These are the recommended vaccines for kids ,yearly,thru the age of 17. As babies,they get more . Ask a new yorker who's had a child in the last five years. The human papilloma vaccine killed 24 girls in test trials,and it was covered up . Now they want boys to get it too. It's a joke,and the joke is on us . .. http://www.health.ny.gov/prevention/immunization/ Edited December 19, 2012 by Simbi Laveau 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 19, 2012 #9 Share Posted December 19, 2012 http://healthypets.mercola.com/sites/healthypets/archive/2012/12/19/immune-mediated-thrombocytopenia.aspx?e_cid=20121219_PetsNL_art_1 Be aware,this extends to our pets as well . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2012 #10 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Vaccines work - full stop. They do what they say they do and an arbitrary line cannot be drawn between the 60/70's vaccines and the modern ones. The original Polio vaccine was said by the developer to have lead to cross infection of humans by various monkey viruses which caused cancers in humans. Tough, that was the price we paid for almost eliminating polio. I am not an advocate of the current rash of flu/ cervical cancer vaccines - purely on the basis that they are not that necessary - they are a product of an industry selling product. the simple answer is refuse them. However I am eternally grateful for the polio vaccine, small pox vaccine, yellow fever vaccine, hepatitis vaccines and the MMR vaccine. Apply a bit of intelligence and don't throw the baby out with the bath water because there is a vocal anti-vaccine campaign who would have us stop all vaccination programs. Dangerous idiots. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Summer Posted December 19, 2012 Author #11 Share Posted December 19, 2012 Thanks for the reminder about pets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsteroidX Posted December 19, 2012 #12 Share Posted December 19, 2012 They do work but at what cost. When HPV vaccinations became the going rage for teenagers I think a line was crossed. Chicken Pox...When I was kid wed get thrown together when someone came down with it so we could have and get the damn thing over with. Yes you may get shingles in later life. But is that worth the side effects we may be seeing by adding yet another vaccine. And what is known about harboring all these vaccines in oor bodies togehter. When we may have been exposed to one disease in realtime. Know we have 20 diseases floating in our bodies. Its out of control. No we dont want to see a return of these epidemics. But science can surely advamnce this to a safer protocol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 20, 2012 #13 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Yes, after all humanity on the whole was healthier and longer lived when we didn't immunise. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 20, 2012 #14 Share Posted December 20, 2012 https://www.rxisk.org/Default.aspx Set up by concerned physicians ,because they feel the public deserves to know all the risks associated with prescription meds . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simbi Laveau Posted December 20, 2012 #15 Share Posted December 20, 2012 Vaccines work - full stop. They do what they say they do and an arbitrary line cannot be drawn between the 60/70's vaccines and the modern ones. The original Polio vaccine was said by the developer to have lead to cross infection of humans by various monkey viruses which caused cancers in humans. Tough, that was the price we paid for almost eliminating polio. I am not an advocate of the current rash of flu/ cervical cancer vaccines - purely on the basis that they are not that necessary - they are a product of an industry selling product. the simple answer is refuse them. However I am eternally grateful for the polio vaccine, small pox vaccine, yellow fever vaccine, hepatitis vaccines and the MMR vaccine. Apply a bit of intelligence and don't throw the baby out with the bath water because there is a vocal anti-vaccine campaign who would have us stop all vaccination programs. Dangerous idiots. Br Cornelius A bit of Intelligence ? Umm hmmm. I won't vaccinate my animals .I've had one die from a reaction ,that was enough. I dont believe anything doctors say anymore,as its all just a money making racket,but hey ,you keep the faith .They depend upon it . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExpandMyMind Posted December 20, 2012 #16 Share Posted December 20, 2012 They do work but at what cost. When HPV vaccinations became the going rage for teenagers I think a line was crossed. Chicken Pox...When I was kid wed get thrown together when someone came down with it so we could have and get the damn thing over with. Yes you may get shingles in later life. But is that worth the side effects we may be seeing by adding yet another vaccine. And what is known about harboring all these vaccines in oor bodies togehter. When we may have been exposed to one disease in realtime. Know we have 20 diseases floating in our bodies. Its out of control. No we dont want to see a return of these epidemics. But science can surely advamnce this to a safer protocol. Are you really trying to compare HPV (Cervical and colon cancers) to chicken pox? Considering that genital warts is the most common STI, often enough a carrier of HPV and is ever increasing in cases of infected (with HPV alongside it), along with it being resistant to condoms there is a potentially horrendous outcome on the horizon, especially for women and homosexual men. I agree that vaccines in the like of the flu vaccine are just silly from a user's point of view, but HPV does not belong in that category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insaniac Posted December 25, 2012 #17 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Same old, same old. 'Vaccinations' used to attack the immune system and/or cause harm in some way. It's hard to get proof on the criminals responsible, because they own all of the important Media. Thats why anybody who speaks out about their wrongdoing tends to get cut off when on air. They can't have people exposing their crimes now, can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 25, 2012 #18 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Same old, same old. 'Vaccinations' used to attack the immune system and/or cause harm in some way. It's hard to get proof on the criminals responsible, because they own all of the important Media. Thats why anybody who speaks out about their wrongdoing tends to get cut off when on air. They can't have people exposing their crimes now, can they? Maybe you would like to live in a world with smallpox or give up your polio vaccine, how about it ?? Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Merc14 Posted December 25, 2012 Popular Post #19 Share Posted December 25, 2012 Freedom of Information Act in the UK filed by a doctor there has revealed 30 years of secret official documents showing that government experts have: 1. Known the vaccines don’t work 2. Known they cause the diseases they are supposed to prevent 3. Known they are a hazard to children 4. Colluded to lie to the public 5. Worked to prevent safety studies read more Those are the same vaccines that are mandated to children in the US. The link has absolutely zero proof of the outrageous accusations you are making. All I saw was a page full of screaming conspiracy theories made by people that are seemingly immune to logic. This kind of garbage can and is dangerous when read by people that are susceptible to the fringe wackos and has and will affect the health of children when they are hit by a disease that vaccines have eradicated. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted December 25, 2012 #20 Share Posted December 25, 2012 It's sad when people lose trust and scream conspiracy in relation to something that is extremely positive. You people are the ones having a negative impact on the world. Although it's entertaining, you've certainly caused me more distress than vaccines ever will. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted December 25, 2012 #21 Share Posted December 25, 2012 You anti vaccine people have no concept of how vaccines work, why the work, or the good that they do. I hope one of you gets polio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 25, 2012 #22 Share Posted December 25, 2012 "But they give children Autism!" I love it when tht line gets trotted out, mostly because it's saying "I'd rather my child be dead or crippled from a terrible disease then be Autistic", what a loving parent who says that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2012 #23 Share Posted December 26, 2012 We are only more aware of autism now days because; -we have actually defined what autism is -we used to throw autistic children into life long institutional care It is also interesting to note that no epidemiological study has been able to draw a correlation between MMR and autism, but it is equally interesting to be aware that the type of damage done by mumps and measles is likely to cause the sort of brain damage associated with autism. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 26, 2012 #24 Share Posted December 26, 2012 equally, and I cannot stress this enough, there is nothnig wrong with being Autistic, not from the person who is Autistic's perspective. Society shirks away from anything that isn't neurotypical or "just like e eryone else", but some of the greatest thinkers and acheievers in the history of the world were Autistic, or at least had enough signs of Autism that would have teachers these days sending fo the Specialists. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merc14 Posted December 26, 2012 #25 Share Posted December 26, 2012 It's great to see so many aware of the dangers of not immunizing your child and also aware of the falsity of the claims the OP is making. Either this is an intellectually superior group here or the truth is beating the myth in our society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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