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[Dragonwind]

<sub>As an architect/urban planner myself I still find it strange the difference in civilisation between north and south america. Why is it that in north america they basically only got to the level of wooden cities with most tribes living in teepee's similar to their siberian origins, yet in central/south america they are smelting gold, writing astronomy codex's and building massive stone pyramids and cities? What was it that caused the amerinds in central and south america to advance so far ahead of their north american brothers?

I would like to believe there was an external influence from the mediteranean or east asia on the america's but there is very little bullet proof evidence. I'd like to see more information on the asian influence. The cities of central and south america are not vastly old and much of ancient asian history (particularly china) is not recorded or sustained well. It is also not focussed on as much as history from the mediteranean and middle east. An example is the mayan paintings depicting 'white people' being tortured but these could also be depictions of fairer east asians.</sub>

[Harte]

Dragonwind, on 31 July 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

_{An example is the mayan paintings depicting 'white people' being tortured but these could also be depictions of fairer east asians.}

Can you provide a link to any Maya artwork depicting what you claim in the above?

Harte

[Abramelin]

Harte, on 31 July 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Can you provide a link to any Maya artwork depicting what you claim in the above?

Harte

I think it's this one:




And I got it from this site:

http://inthecavityof...in-ancient.html

Below the pic it says Morris, 1931.

EDIT:

A bit more digging:


"Temple of the Warriors" Earl H. Morris

http://onlinelibrary....4.02a00220/pdf


Morris, Earl H., Jean Charlot and Ann Axtell Morris 1931
The Temple of the Warriors at Chichén Itzá, Yucatan. Carnegie Institution of Washington Publication No. 406, Vol I and Vol. II Plates.

http://www.jeancharl...otmcvicker.html

It looks like a copy of a Mayan picture, made by Jean Charlot.

PDF (30 MB):
http://www.jeancharl...arnegieItza.pdf


EDIT:

I searched through the whole pdf (323 illustrations), but the pic I posted is not in it.

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Edited by Abramelin, 31 July 2012 - 03:29 PM.

[Harte]

Both sides of the fence are played by the fringe on this topic.

1) The "light skinned fair-haired" people can't be explained because no Mesoamericans were white.
2) The "black-skinned" figures prove that the Olmec came from Africa.

Which is it?

Neither one of these, this I can tell you.

Harte

[Abramelin]

On "one side of the fence" are the Mormons (about 'whites' showing up in Aztec and Mayan art), as you can see by the first link I posted in my former post.

But as far as I remember, 'white' was the color of the dead in Mayan/Aztec art, or the color of the 'about to be dead soon'.

[Dragonwind]

Abramelin, on 31 July 2012 - 04:45 PM, said:

On "one side of the fence" are the Mormons (about 'whites' showing up in Aztec and Mayan art), as you can see by the first link I posted in my former post.

But as far as I remember, 'white' was the color of the dead in Mayan/Aztec art, or the color of the 'about to be dead soon'.

This is the thing, no art is bulletproof evidence because it is often symbolic. Nor is architecture but I still find it a mystery regarding civilization differences between north and south America.

The Olmec statues look just as much Asian (ie amerind) as they do black.

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Tiwanaku

[Abramelin]

If you look closely, the pattern on the chest of the figurine found in the Oseberg ship (top photo) does not match the field pattern found near Tiwanaku.

What's interesting, however, is that the Oseberg figurine including the swastika pattern on its chest may have been inspired by images/figurines of Buddha:



One of my absolute favorite finds in any Viking grave. This is a Buddha statue dating back from 6th century India. It powerfully illustrates how goods traveled in the early middle ages- most likely a Scandinavian bought this statue from an Arab trader, who previously bought it from a travelling Asian merchant.

http://cice.blog.gus...lmemoriessthlm/
http://en.wikipedia....ki/Oseberg_ship

Edited by Abramelin, 19 April 2013 - 11:58 AM.